The War We’re In

Here I was preparing another post for DT when a message came through the net with this posting from my boy over at the Worldwide Standard , Mike Goldfarb, who gave us big props for the new editorial team here.

A longtime friend and colleague Pam Hess, whos been one of Washingtons top defense reporters for as long as Ive been in the business, just returned from six weeks in Iraq. I saw her the other day in the neighborhood and she looked a bit bedraggled from her trip still fighting jetlag and the culture shock of returning to a much safer existence.

Let me first say that she is no apologist for the Bush administration or its justification for the invasion of Iraq. Watching her as I have at many a Pentagon briefing, she puts the screws to every defense official shes questioning. But having been to Iraq myself, and having experienced many of the same things shes seen and done, I cant help but identify 100 percent with her impressions outlined below.

Its real evil Im just not sure what other word you can use for people who are shooting kids in the face

Its a long clip, but its worth every second to watch.

Pam is one of those reporters that doesn’t take day trips to the field from a secure compound in Baghdad. She lives the entire time embedded with U.S. troops. It takes that kind of day-to-day existence and contact with the danger and hope of the battlefield to really understand what’s going on there. And that clip from C-Span shows it.

As the president said in this year’s State of the Union address, it may not be the war we started, but its the war were in now.

— Christian

  • Christian Convey

    “As the president said in this year’s State of the Union address, it may not be the war we started, but it

  • pedestrian

    >”As the president said in this year’s State of the Union address, it may not be the war we
    >started, but it

  • Christian

    I knew I’d get some grief for putting the Bush speech paraphrase in the post. So here’s the actual quote: “This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we’re in.”

  • Walter Shields

    That was a great clip. Now apologists and liberals know what I have known and learned from friends that have been there. The people the troops are fighting are pure evil.
    P.S. No One Ever Said Iraq Had Anything To Do With 911. That Idea Was An Anti-War Construct.

  • campbell

    Cops know that the most dangerous situ is a domestic quarrel….which is what we are involved with in Iraq. Period. It is not a “war”, or even a “civil war”….it is sectarian criminal violence…but it is an INTERNAL affair. We have no business there.
    All touchy-feely cause were saving Iraqi lives? How about those in Darfur? We should ship 100,000 plus there, as well, to pacify the place? Or Congo? Or Chechnya? Or Sri Lanka?
    We do not belong there, we are ready targets for ALL sides and factions there. There is no “win” coming…..

  • Bob J Young

    @CHRISTIAN LOWE: I’ve worked for the DoD for 20+ years. I come to this site to get information about defense technology issues. I don’t need your spin on how the war is going, I can watch that for myself. You are not gaining any credibility by linking to

  • Mike

    I totally agree with Bob Young’s post above. I read this site for military/defense technology news only. I don’t want or need political commentary; there are plenty of other sources for that.

  • Brian

    I’m a veteran of the current war (Operation Iraqi Freedom III, 2005) and of the first Gulf War. Thank you for linking to this video. For every liberal reader who posted and said they will not come back to defensetech.org, I promise you I will bring a sympathetic reader to visit your site.
    Thanks again.
    Brian

  • Max

    “I totally agree with Bob Young’s post above. I read this site for military/defense technology news only. I don’t want or need political commentary; there are plenty of other sources for that.
    Posted by: Mike at March 14, 2007 05:33 PM”
    Then why are you guys shouting out now? This site has leveled tons of undeserved criticism on the administration for years now.
    MeThinks you’re just unhappy when people speak from their hearts and you diagree.

  • Ward

    Let’s be quite clear: This isn’t about politics; it’s about supporting the warfighter. Defense Tech is unwaivering in its support for those Americans who go into harm’s way. If that bothers you, then by all means hit another site. Of course you won’t be as informed . . .

  • Matt Z

    Cambell wrote:
    “…. It is not a “war”, or even a “civil war”….it is sectarian criminal violence…but it is an INTERNAL affair. We have no business there.
    …How about those in Darfur? We should ship 100,000 plus there, …Or Congo? Or Chechnya? …..”
    the difference between Iraq and these other trouble spots is that we are directly responsible for the situation in Iraq but have no direct responsibility for the situation in Darfur, Congo,etc.
    i believe that invading Iraq was a huge mistake. Iraq had no WMD, no ties to 9-11, and posed no eminent danger to the US. we compounded that mistake by disolving the Iraqi military and the Baath party and failing to deploy enough troops to provide security. call me a liberal if you like.
    because of these mistakes we now have an obligation to stay. to leave now would open the floodgates to far more violence and bloodshed. the potential for that violence to grow into a more widespread is very real and ultimately far more dangerous for the US. we an even larger troop surge than what the president has proposed (call me a conservative if you like) combined with an aggressive and effective reconstruction plan that keeps the reconstruction money in Iraq to jump start their economy. we need a president and administration at home with the competence to execute such a plan and we need the american public to put their support behind it. sadly, i doubt either of the last two conditions will be met.

  • RB

    Anyone who says, “This is not the fight we entered in Iraq, but it is the fight we’re in” reveals that he has learned nothing in four years. Of course, it IS the fight we entered in Iraq; we were just too stupid, ignorant, or blinded by ideology to realize it.
    And the fact that this blog’s new editors quote Bush uncritically do themselves, the troops, and their dwindling readership no favors.

  • Ward

    I’m missing your point, RB. Are you saying the Marines fighting in Fallujah are not worthy of our support? And by “dwindling” do you mean fewer as time goes on? Funny, that’s not the metrics we’re seeing . . .

  • Brian #2

    To all those who are complaining now, I say pipe down. DefenseTech has always included partisan political ramblings in its news. In the years I’ve read this site, it’s gotten more and more common. NOW you notice?
    I think it’s not the fact that there is a political message, and more the content of that message that has some of you so upset.

  • Rich

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  • JMD

    Thank you Matt Z, I couldn’t agree more.

  • JMD

    RB
    Would you prefer that W’s quoatations be prefaced with some rabid criticism? This isn’t the KOS (thank goodness) and someone’s quotations need not necessarily be used for criticism or praise. They can be used objectively.
    Your post also seems to beg the question, are a few thousand more American lives and much treasure worth a fighting chance at saving hundreds of thousands from a violent death? Its bad now but it can get a whole lot worse. Nevermind mind the dangers to our national security that a failed state in Iraq would pose. Is the human cost alone worth it, or is one American worth more than one hundred Iraqis?

  • Dude

    Look dude:: -“Your post also seems to beg the question, are a few thousand more American lives and much treasure worth a fighting chance at saving hundreds of thousands from a violent death?”- Just to let you in on somthin. when your talkin about violent deaths, yeah thats been going on for EONS!
    its because the media is getting to evryones brain and warping the view of how a persons Ideal should be concieved as realism. Morality has nothing to do with it. It comes down to who you decide to stand by, we could all presume the worst after a pull out, but to tell you the truth i would rather come home to momma then be turned into a dusty wade of hamburger. Those people want freedom then all of them will fight for it, instead of watching us do it.

  • BT

    I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but the US has not faced an imminent threat in like 60 years. Every conflict after WW2 has been a war of choice.
    Until China steps up to the plate, and relieves us of our current global responsibilities, the US will continue being in everyone’s business, whether anyone deems it legitimate or not. As much as I would like to ignore developing countries, and tell everyone to F off, they always find a way to bite us if we do not give them guidance.
    My opinion on Iraq, we either send in an extra 200 thousand combat troops into Baghdad, then pledge to stay there for another decade; or we get the hell out, let the place trifurcate, and come back in five years, Bosnia style, to pick up the pieces.
    Treating the GWOT like some sort of US/Them Civilization threat is counter-productive, and will fail. Let SOF due the dirty work in the shadows. I do like the current Africa Model, something more likely to bring long term results.
    I guarantee the next President will not change Bush’s Policies. It may be sold, spun, or perceived better, but very little will be different.

  • Wembley

    It’s a pity we’re not getting much of a view from the other side, as I suspect the message would be very much the same. They also believe they are fighting against a terrible evil and therefore ‘must’ win.
    It’s going to be a while before the peace talks get started at this rate.

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