Obama’s War

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I’m gratified to hear the leaking coverage of President Obama’s upcoming speech today on his new Afghanistan policy.

As you know, we at DT and DoD Buzz read the tea leaves and saw a strong pull toward a “minimalist” approach to the Afghan war, dumbing down the goals to “containment” and pushing responsibility on Pakistan for any failure.

But today’s coverage of the upcoming speech seems to indicate that Obama sided with the Petraeus’ of the world (and credit where credit is due, the Clinton approach) and decided that he’d throw all his chips on the table to win in Afghanistan.

I strongly believe that those of us who were pushing for the so-called “all-in” approach were buttressed by a little known Army officer who’s done some extraordinary work in the White House — one Lt. Gen. Doug Lute.

He’s the so-called “war czar” at the White House, shepherding the competing interests of State, intel, the DoD and White House into a cohesive strategy that makes military strategic sense. I guarantee it was his wise counsel that helped tip the balance toward a more robust approach and a rejection of the idea that we abandon the Afghans. (And I also bet he was the source of the pre-speech stories — and oh by the way, he’s a Bush holdover)

I’m glad to hear that more troops, more money, and, more importantly, more influence on making Afghanistan “work” is going to be Obama’s approach. We’ll keep a close eye on how this unfolds — both from Washington and the field — to make sure we don’t let the strategy get hijacked when things get tough.

— Christian

  • The Cenobyte

    So what no but Obama is evil posts yet? Shocked!!
    Happy to see he is willing to fight it out for the Afgans, we owe it to those people after everything we have done over there in the last 40 years or so.

  • bdwilcox

    Remember, his speech will be “Just Words” (TM). Unfortunately, all Obama statements come with an expiration date.
    http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWNiZWZkOGZiYzg0NzVmNjc2M2NlY2ZlZjYyZWE2Y2Y=

  • Keith

    This is, of course, what Obama said he was going to do during tha campaign.

  • Drake

    I’m encouraged by this anouncement, but I wonder if the American people understand this is a long term, costly, commitment? I also worry if things start going badly, that the Administration may decide to change course for the deceptively easy minimalist approach.
    The whole “Graveyard of Empires” crowd (saw them on ABC News-the fools) has been growing in volume lately, and I fear most American’s don’t know enough to understand that this argument has some inherent flaws in how it is being applied to the current situation in Afghanistan.
    The President’s going to have to fight all the way for this war, and after how quickly he acquiesced on his middle class tax cuts, I wonder if he will do the same for Afghanistan when the going gets rough? Good initial effort.

  • Valcan

    Unfortunately, all Obama statements come with an expiration date.
    LOL
    ————-
    Sigh no one said obama is evil hes just either a retard or a socalist…..or maybe both sence to me anyone who accualy choses socalism needs a mental exame..of course in a socalsit gov. ppl like Mr Obama and George sorose and all those accually do well they have little to no competition sence they control everything.
    Socalism breeds weakness both moraly and in a number of ther ways.
    Consider this fact Last year Mr Obama started a new company….this company invested in corbon credits….he has sence passed laws which have benefited him and his buddies(btw all gore has done the same thing….but remember its for the evironment).
    Ive said it before and ill say it again……Mr Obama was given the white house and this country to do with as he please no matter what he does he will be right in his own mind justified by his own moral certitude. He is the only person ive ever seen who can blatantly lie to the face of the american ppl and no one cares.
    He may have won the election but he is not my president i have no respect for men who cannot just say yes i stand for this and accually mean it.
    Think about it this way GWB cost us 1 trillion in a war in which we freed a ppl from the slavery of a madman and his family. Barrak Obama may cost us somewhere around 5 to 6 trillion on socal programs like welfare and will more than likly break the back of free market enterprise in this country. Oh yes and most economist dont even see his ideas as working.
    How about this……….instead of taxing buissness 30% of what they make make it 15%……..maybe then they will have enough money to hire more ppl, to give healthcare to there workers and the million other things that this theif is taking my and your money to do.

  • WJS

    This is of course what the Bush administration was in the process of doing as it left. This is also of course what the Obama campaign criticized the Bush administration for not doing even though it was doing it and now he is doing what he said Bush wasn’t doing even though it was already being done. Say that three times fast and oh yeah Obama sucks and he’s evil.

  • Corey

    Now we wait until the fraud in the W.H. goes back on his word when he thinks that no one is paying attention.

  • Richard

    Every war until the Persian Gulf Conflict was started by a Democrat. Truman; Korea (still unsettled), Johnson; Vietnam(lost), HW Bush Rep.;Rep (Unsettled), GW Bush Rep.; Iraq (basically won) and Obama (defeatist)

  • Hibbidy

    Well, by now its pretty well established that no matter what he does Obama will never be able to make most conservatives happy. Even when he does what you guys want (and I want, for that matter) and makes a stronger U.S commitment in Afghanistan.
    I don’t expect you to give the President the benefit of the doubt (in fact I like hearing opposing viewpoints). Since the Republican party is a joke right now, its up to sites like this to keep him honest. I mostly watch MSNBC, but I would watch Fox too if the people on that channel didn’t seem to collectively have an i.q of 70.
    I guess I’ll I’m trying to say is at least try to keep an open mind. Civies like me really do depend on people who actually seem to know what they’re talking about most of the time.

  • Valcan

    Sigh…
    Dude Hibb it doesnt matter if he sends a million troops to Astan if there hobbled by bullcrap orders that dont let them do there job. Or if there screwed later by those in power.
    Vietnam..same thing happened…
    If you have the ability to control the media(which 9/10 of ppl dont get news from the web if they do its ap crap which is pretty much crap most of the time). You control the reality hence we were losing iraq until barak came into power now all the ppl who said we were losing now say we are wining..One of the first things the National Socalist Party(NAZI) did was to control media.
    Doesnt matter he does as long as he can blame another or spin it in his favor.

  • Kevin

    From Corey’s Post on March 27th,
    “This is of course what the Bush administration was in the process of doing as it left. This is also of course what the Obama campaign criticized the Bush administration for not doing even though it was doing it and now he is doing what he said Bush wasn’t doing even though it was already being done. Say that three times fast and oh yeah Obama sucks and he’s evil.” -Priceless

  • Navy Steve

    “soonergrunt”: You & “TPCAT” are the 2 of the most-intelligent voices I’ve seen posted on this site. PLEASE keep contributing! Most of the other
    mindless dittohead Seigheil milrats that frequent this site are downright frightening.

  • soonergrunt

    Thanks, Navy Steve.
    The thing to remember when dealing with wingnuts is to spew glittering generalities and bullshit in the hope that they won’t have to actually come up with an idea that addresses an issue and defend it.

  • Valcan

    OK sooner fine here goes ill try to keep it short so you wont get confused.
    Obamas plan has already been hatched out by others. This is what he does he takes others ideas says he look at me and gets congratulated.
    I’ve seen children do this but i havent seen many adults do it. Now our president does it that scares me.
    One of my beefs with this administration is that he is allowed to just lie and get away with it. The stories are covered up by the news groups.
    ———————-
    Valcan again-while I note with pleasure the actual use of words and grammar in your next post, allowing me to actually understand what you are saying, I am left with understanding that you are completely unhinged from reality.
    I’d love to live in the world where you do. It must resemble the art of M.C. Escher. That would be cool in a freaky way.
    ———————-
    Our realities are the same. Our points of veiw different. Forgive me if im forced to look at sources other than MSNBC, CNN, or the other worthless news shows for anything other than soft news….
    And sweet lord if i have to hear anything else about octomom….

  • Valcan

    ” After watching the press corps get down on their knees in front of Bush and repeating every bullshit right wing slander against Gore on 2000 and Kerry in 2004, and uncritically swallowing every lie, prevarication, and every other damn thing that came out of the republicans’ mouths for years, I just don’t buy it.
    Posted by: soonergrunt at March 28, 2009 06:19 PM”
    What was it you called that? A gotcha moment….
    Im not a republican im not a “Right Winger”
    “After watching the press corps get down on their knees in front of Bush and repeating every bullshit right wing slander”
    WTF channel were you watching? Hell i wouldnt treat my worst enemies like the media has treated bush.
    Kerry a dam Politic who has shown his true colors again and again. Hes activly worked against his own nation..thats called a traitor.
    And are you serious looking at the way the media has treated barak is sickening. I always expect to see the journalist walk in with prayer rugs.
    Now i know what it all came from your mind has been made up from day one. Your just another ITS ALL GEORGE BUSHES FAULT!! person.
    And as for Al Gore……..ARE F’in with me? Im from Tennessee I can count the amount of ppl who believe his crap on one finger that ive met. Hell and those 4 ppl are all teachers Union members.
    God you make fun of me with a arrogant atitude and dismiss my veiws and opinions as well as others as unimportant and worthless just like those you idealise.
    Ill thankyou for the service you have rendered our nation but donot patronize me or belittle me.

  • soonergrunt

    From Valcan:
    “Im not a republican im not a ‘Right Winger'”
    You talk like a winger, say the things wingers say, and use the discussion tactics wingers use. But you’re not a winger.
    Riiiiiiiiight.
    Honestly, I don’t give a damn what you think of my service. I strongly doubt you have any use for anybody who doesn’t share your peculiar world view, regardless of their service or lack thereof. You’ve already shown that time and again.
    I’ll note that you haven’t actually answered any of the questions I put to you last post. Not that I’m surprised in the slightest.
    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again wingnut-you don’t get to spout your hateful lies and bullshit without getting called on it anymore. If this hurts your feelings, I don’t give a shit. I’m not going anywhere.

  • geekstrap

    I don’t owe the Afgans a dime or the price of a dime bag. Which choose to sell to the brainless left who believe we owe them any thing more than making their sand into a glass dish.

  • Drake

    Posted by: Roy Smith at March 29, 2009 03:53 AM
    how come everybody ignores this fact?
    I made a breif comment in a past discussion concerning that. I think the Adminsitration realizes this as well, and that is one of the resons they have been trying to improve relations with Russia and Iran. The problem is that Russia and Iran may not want to play ball at this point, or not without unpallatable concessions.
    The Russians feel we have used the past decade to encroach on their territory and don’t want to take it anymore. Obama is trying to see if easing off missile defense may bring them around, but Kyrgyzstan shows that they may not be asmmenable, or they could, but the cost may be too high for us.
    Iran is another country with which the Adminsitration is trying a carrot or stick approach, especially with the nuclear issue. It’s understandable considering that our options concerning that country are all bad. The problem is that the Iranian’s(moderates and conservatives) see the right to produce nuclear fuel as vital to their national interests. Hezbollah and Hamas, are also likely seen that way, since they are used as proxies against Israeli and American influence in the region. Maybe they can get the Iranian’s to tone things down like they seem to be doing as of late in Iraq, but they may want to link all issues the U.S. wants to talk about to the nuclear issue, rather than deal with them seperately.

  • Valcan

    “The only thing I would take issue with Valcan, is saying that people will or have been saying that we are winning because of Barack. Iraq did get better under the Bush admin, but I’m pretty sure that is because of the military, not because of any ideas that came from those yahoos”
    Not saying your wrong at all. But it seems if you turn on a tv or listen to a news site they treat him like the second coming. Our success in iraq has more to do with the will of the ppl themselves and our and the iraqi military finaly getting what they needed to get the job done.
    Afghanistan is also going to be a problem as long as some other coalition partners continue to slack off germany others. What is the point of having a military force there if they avoid combat?
    As of right now the best allies we have there are britain, canadian, and aussie troops as well as other smaller countries like poland and such. Not saying there not oing anything but seems to me like every nation in the coaltion has its own ideas of how to fight and its basicaly screwing up the picture

  • jim

    soonergrunt said:
    although I have yet to hear anyone give Obama credit for reacting to the blindingly obvious-that we are losing in Afghanistan. Hell, I knew that when I was over there in 2006, and I’m just a dumb grunt. There hasn’t been shit coming out from anyone about AF. As far as the president getting the credit for stuff his underlings do, well that’s the way it works,
    Published: September 22, 2008
    WASHINGTON

  • Newjarheaddean

    AHOY, don’t worry gints, IMO it’s all going according to the plan.
    G-day!

  • Drake

    I heard on NPR today a Pakistani representative pleading for American Predators to monitor terrorists. The Pakistan’s are currently trying to catch up with India in UAV technology, and just want those Predators for gaining parity with India. If I was the Adminstration I would have concerns on where that technology could end up given Pakistan’s ties to our competitors and enemies.

  • CR

    “Think about it this way GWB cost us 1 trillion in a war in which we freed a ppl from the slavery of a madman and his family. Barrak Obama may cost us somewhere around 5 to 6 trillion on socal programs like welfare and will more than likly break the back of free market enterprise in this country. Oh yes and most economist dont even see his ideas as working.”
    HEY VALCAN DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THE 4000+ AMERICAN LIVES THAT WERE SENT INTO THE ILL ADVISED, ILLPLANNED MORAY CALLED IRAQ! F****** idiots…..

  • Drake

    Everytime we have a topic discussing defense or war policy, we always devolve into these inane partisan back and forths that rarely have anything to do with the topic at hand.

  • rigma

    Why you writting in magic descriptionism????
    You are a joke,and a security leak…

  • rial

    If you really undrstood Barelvis and pirs,you would have never wrote that article!Don’t ever try
    training such crap….

  • rial

    All you guys think a physical strategem will suffice? Its already a craftiness,therefore we are
    adding to the terror….Amen.God help our leaders.