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Another Drone Shoot Down Vid

An alert reader pinged me on the Tip Line about another, older vid, of a MiG shooting down a Predator.

I love it that the Predator shot back. And I am also intrigued by the question one reader posed as to why the pilot wouldn’t just go to guns on the drone but instead used an expensive air-to-air missile.

– Christian

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andyinsdca February 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm

Guns require skills and I'd bet that the Iraqi pilot doesn't have the needed skills…

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Jeff February 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm

One day we should build air supperiority drones. Or at least ones that go balistic and attempt to ram into the enemy.

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Solifugid February 11, 2010 at 5:59 pm

I think they exist already. They're called stewardesses.

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Solifugid February 11, 2010 at 9:59 pm

I think they exist already. They're called stewardesses.

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CJ- February 11, 2010 at 6:14 pm

Why did he use missiles? Think about it, the airspace is swarming with 400 US fighters on combat patrol, do you really think he has the luxury of hanging around for a guns kill? Anything longer than 10 min and a Phoenix missile would probably have knocked his head off from a 100 miles away.

Actually the one thing i'd like to read more about with regards to the recent Iraq War is the PAC3/GEM Patriots and how they faired this time around versus Iraqi SSMs. Really not much has been reported about it.

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CJ- February 11, 2010 at 6:16 pm

Some reporting on the GMLRS (guided MRLS) would also be cool. I know they've used a lot of them, but where's the reports or footage?

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nummnum February 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm

i second that wish about newer Patriot reports!

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MCQknight February 11, 2010 at 8:48 pm

Maybe he didn't go to guns because their intel sources knew the Predators were carrying Stingers. Why close in for a gun kill and risk being the first pilot to ever be shot down by a drone?

Also, imagine the shear embaracement of a Mach 2.8 interceptor being shot down by a plane that doesn't bust a hundred knots. He probably wanted the sure thing.

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CLETUS February 11, 2010 at 9:43 pm

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR SURE.

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B.Smitty February 11, 2010 at 9:29 pm

There are no guns on any Mig-25 variants (that I'm aware of).

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MCQknight February 11, 2010 at 10:32 pm

The Mig-31 (essentially an updated Mig-25) has an internal gun, but Iraq didn't posses any Mig-31's, to the best of my knowledge, anyway. Good call on the lack of guns though, that would sure explain why he didn't us 'em!

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MCQknight February 11, 2010 at 6:32 pm

The Mig-31 (essentially an updated Mig-25) has an internal gun, but Iraq didn't posses any Mig-31's, to the best of my knowledge, anyway. Good call on the lack of guns though, that would sure explain why he didn't us 'em!

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MCQknight February 11, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Maybe he didn't go to guns because their intel sources knew the Predators were carrying Stingers. Why close in for a gun kill and risk being the first pilot to ever be shot down by a drone?

Also, imagine the shear embaracement of a Mach 2.8 interceptor being shot down by a plane that doesn't bust a hundred knots. He probably wanted the sure thing.

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Arcane February 11, 2010 at 6:30 pm

I was at an official briefing where this issue was discussed. The drone in question here was actually the second drone shot down by that Iraqi pilot.

The first drone was operating very near the northern border of the southern No Fly Zone and was annoying the Iraqis. After numerous attempts by other pilots, Saddam sent his best MiG pilot in to knock it out. The pilot waited months for the perfect opportunity, and jumped the border when their radar systems showed all Allied aircraft out of missile range. He accelerated to a supersonic speed, got just close enough to get a missile lock on it, fired the missile, and high tailed it out of there. Literally the minute he crossed the border of the No Fly Zone, every allied aircraft did a 180 and started chasing him, but he made it back across that border before we could get in missile range. His missile impacted

This really pissed us off, so we got the idea of luring the pilot with another drone back into the airspace, but this time we decided that it was time to ruin that Iraqi pilot’s flight suit and we equipped it with a Stinger missile. The pilot pulled the stunt again a few months later, and still knocked out the drone, however the missile the drone fired gave the Iraqis the ebby jeebies and they never attempted a drone shoot down again.

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you April 17, 2010 at 4:59 am

Dude you are full of shit, i very much doubt you attended a briefing on it, and then jumped online to blog about. You are a douche bag.

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Byron Skinner February 11, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Good Evening Folks,

I read about this at the time. If I recall the predator fired a “Stinger” and the Mig used flares as a decoy and came back around and got his hit. The question I guess does downing a Predator count as a full victory or only as a partial for the Iranian pilot?

Was there any other air to air combat “Dog Fights” downing of American or British planes in the 03 Iraqi War?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

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MCQknight February 12, 2010 at 3:15 am

You get the kill credit for destroying the aircraft, not killing the pilot. Therefore, whether or not the enemy aircraft is manned, if you shoot it down you get a kill credit.

As to your second question, the only aerial engagement of OIF actually occurred last year. An Iranian Ababil uav violated Iraqi air space, and a USAF F-16 shot it down. I don't know if he was credited with a kill. If anyone knows more about that incident, please post!

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SMSgt Mac February 12, 2010 at 3:45 am

We've come a long way since the Battle of Palmdale eh?: http://www.thexhunters.com/xpeditions/f6f-5k_acci…

Arcane: good stuff, thanks!

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jjkm February 12, 2010 at 1:29 am

the drone was waay too slow for guns? Remember that Simpsons episode where the AF was called in to shoot down the Wirght brothers plane.

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Joe February 12, 2010 at 2:28 am

No guns on the Mig-25. Former Harpoon player here.

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logi_cal February 13, 2010 at 4:34 pm

I'm not one to gloat, but I certainly do NOT miss that narrative voice…

As for 'does that count' for the Iraqi pilot…I suppose, if you also count swatting flies and mosquitoes…

Wait a minute: I think the Iraqi pilot is vindicated
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=607_1265984125

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