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Dissident Web Site Reports Kim Jong Il Ordered North Korean Military Prepare for Combat

According to this Bloomberg report, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il broadcast a message last week to the North Korean military telling it to prepare for combat. The content of that broadcast, that Kim issued apparently issued a warning order to his military, first hit wires last night.

A web site run by former computer scientists who have defected from the North, called North Korea Intellectuals Solidarity, reported the broadcast. South Korean officials said they couldn’t confirm the report because Kim broadcast the message on a closed circuit radio the South can’t monitor.

Of course, threats from Kim are nothing new. But with South Korea and the U.S. preparing for joint naval exercises near where the Cheonan was sunk by a North Korean torpedo on March 26, things could easily get out of hand as the uber-paranoid and rather nutty Kim feels backed against a wall.

– Greg Grant

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fidlestyx May 25, 2010 at 11:42 am

Perhaps this little pip-squeek will be hoisted by his own petard!

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Oblat May 25, 2010 at 2:15 pm

Just a show for the media. The reality is that nothing can be done because South Korea dosent want to lose Seoul.

Kim is playing a tit for tat strategy rather effectively.

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John Moore May 25, 2010 at 2:49 pm

South is simple showing how weak they are, I figure the sooner the US gets outta there the sooner SK might actually start bulking up.

They have a decent size economy, and what about that sparrow system Isreal developed to combat artillers and short range rockets seems like a good fit for SK border and Isreal is looking for the $., Heck why do we keep giving them 3billion a year frig man and now we gave them 250million for more systems ot arm there border.

My ? what the heck do we get outta the deal?

They have not once been beside us in a conflict? Tell me if i'm wrong.

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Bob May 25, 2010 at 3:41 pm

S Korea was beside us in Viet Nam. The division they sent there was quit effective. Maybe moreso than some U.S. divisions. They were there to fight, not win hearts and minds.

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John Moore May 25, 2010 at 4:33 pm

I meant Isreal fightng beside us with the 250 million going to them bonus as well as the 3billion a year I certainly hope we aint paying that to SK aswell, I added that to go allong with the sparrow defence argument. Sorry I wasent clear no worries.

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blight May 26, 2010 at 4:33 am

They kept the Middle East from falling into Soviet hands. What more can you ask for? Also, do you think PR would go well if we had "Zionist Armies fighting side by side with the Crusaders?" No, if a single Israeli soldier went to Iraq or Afghanistan it would probably motivate twenty mullahs to make up all sorts of fanciful stories and motivate thirty men to fight for jihad.

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mike May 25, 2010 at 3:49 pm

You're wrong.

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Bob May 25, 2010 at 4:28 pm

And you were there I suppose?

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FormerDirtDart May 25, 2010 at 5:09 pm

I'm pretty sure mike was replying to John Moore's last paragraph: " They have not once been beside us in a conflict? Tell me if i'm wrong."
Not your comments

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anom May 25, 2010 at 9:18 pm

South Korea has provided forces during the Vietnam War, the first Persian Gulf War, and the current wars in both Iraq and Afganistan.

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john May 25, 2010 at 10:10 pm

SK maintained THREE combat infantry divisions in Nam.

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blight May 26, 2010 at 4:34 am

That many? Damn. I remember they were one of the major contributors to manpower in Vietnam…but three divisions is considerable. I remember Rhee got economic aid in return for those deployments, so I suppose that the economic stimulus that propelled Korea to greatness was bought with the blood of those Korean troops.

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john May 26, 2010 at 5:35 am

@blight
Not only did SK maintain 3 divisions, they were feared by VC and NVA. After initial contacts where VC/NVA got slapped around badly by SK troops, VC/NVA were ordered not to engage SK troops unless the VC/NVA had definite advantage in man/terrain/etc.

Mean no offense but President Rhee was 1st president of SK and by the time Nam was in full swing he had already passed away in 1965 in Hawaii, where he went to after fleeing SK.

It was president Park Chung-hee who sent the ROK ground troops to SK. And yes you can say the beginning of the rise of SK economy was started with the war in Nam. The story is ROK troops went to Nam mostly with M1 carbines and M1 Garand and returned with M16s. And many SK corporations got their start or big break with Nam, such as Hyundai and HanJin (huge SK transportation firm).

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recision May 26, 2010 at 9:02 am

And the story I heard was they kinda made a habit of collecting VC heads. They were about as badass as it came there and the VC & NVA were in no hurry to fight them if they had a choice.

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Chops May 25, 2010 at 2:58 pm

I think that with all the trouble Kim Jong Il is causing it would be in Chinas' best interest to reign the idiot in or take him out.I know China doesn't want a united Korea but sooner or later they will get fed up with the little bastards' antics.

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Bob May 25, 2010 at 3:44 pm

At present there is not much we can do, short of the No. invading the So. again. The President, Sec. of State and congress do not have the political will to get into another war with N. Korea and China. After all, the last one did not turn out very well. Even if the will was there, our military is over commited in the mid-east. We don't have much we can sent to Korea. Lastly, N. Korea has nukes, and will use them is pushed. That is a no-win situation. We are politically impotent.

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Chops May 25, 2010 at 4:19 pm

Can anyone say B61 over N. K. presidential palace.

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Sev May 25, 2010 at 4:24 pm

Not even that. Just barrage them with cruise missiles. No sense in risking a pilot when we have long range artillery

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Vejadu May 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm

I trust the Global Hawks are busy right now

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STemplar May 25, 2010 at 5:53 pm

North Korea does not have nuclear weapons, they have test detonated two devices, one of which didn't perform. That is a long way from an engineering stand point, to being able to deploy a functional weapon.

The US response would not be principally in ground forces. US air power would savage massed North Korean formations. Although between the USMC 3rd MEF, and ship borne and land based pre-positioned stockpiles, we have the ability to put a Corps level force in place fairly quickly. We have one BDE in theatre and adding two more is easily doable.

The bulk of the ground fighting will fall to the South Koreans.

The real problem is the thousands of artillery gun tubes and rockets the Norks have aimed at Seoul. There is no way to really counter the hail of lead they can unleash on South Korea other than counter artillery fire and air strikes once hostilities start, but either way Seoul will be bombarded.

I honestly think at this point it is a foregone conclusion. I just don't see North Korea ending peacefully, and the discussion between the various governments should be about how to as painlessly as possible collapse the North Korean regime.

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Bob May 25, 2010 at 6:07 pm

Lets hope that it doesn't come to outright warfare. Seoul will be leveled. A ground war will be no pushover, and the way the North. is dug in the mountains, I question whether airpower will be a war winner. China will probably once again come in on the side of North.

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mike j May 25, 2010 at 6:18 pm

RE:"China will probably once again come in on the side of North."

Why? What are you basing that on?

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STemplar May 25, 2010 at 7:57 pm

We are talking about the North attacking the South here. Not a lot of attacking that can be done sitting in fortified positions in mountains. To say nothing of the fact once a war starts all imports into the North end. They could not survive a winter without imports. In addition, air power would annihilate any North attempts at massed formations. China would not fight for the North, they would be unhappy with hostilities breaking out, but they have zero to gain in going to war on behalf of the North and pretty much everything to lose.

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@Earlydawn May 26, 2010 at 2:42 am

This is disturbingly true. Combat on the Korean Peninsula is essentially a battle for South Korea's ashes.

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Chops May 25, 2010 at 6:14 pm

I think China will sit this one out-they have too much to lose financially going against their trading partners.

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Bosun May 25, 2010 at 7:06 pm

Regarding Israel never being beside us in a war. They are our only true ally in the middle east and they supply us with much inteligence that we need.

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Cannon Fodder May 25, 2010 at 8:36 pm

Absolutely correct!

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blight May 26, 2010 at 4:36 am

Just like the Liberty was collecting intel, and got shot up to hell so they could be our exclusive intel supplier? Israel and the US have intersecting interests most of the time. But just enough of the time they march to the tune of their own drum.

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Donnell May 25, 2010 at 7:26 pm

I totally agree with the comment from STemplar, but there is one important thing that we are lacking here and thats "political will" President Obama is stuck on political correctness and making the hard decision to do what must be done to stop the North is not in him. I just don't see it.

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kim May 25, 2010 at 8:13 pm

Any specific ideas as to what kind of hard decision Potus should take, in regards to North Korea?

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STemplar May 25, 2010 at 8:25 pm

I think the discussion needs to change. The 6 party talks are and always have been a joke, 7 years and nothing has been accomplished. They don't abide by treaties. They are never going to be a responsible nation, there is no reason to treat them like they are.

If the Chinese and Russians are willing to accept that North Korea goes away, I say include them in the planning. If they can't accept that, then exclude them.

Some of the things we should be doing we already are beginning with military exercises. Force them to react to our planning and make them burn resources. We should freeze all international financial transactions, that is what forced them into the 6 party talks and it was incredibly painful for them. Total economic blockade, conduct zero trade with them at all. Bar all flights, merchant vessels, and goods from allied countries. Conduct open discussions about what comes after the regime. Discuss openly crimes against humanity prosecution of leadership after the collapse. I think all of those things would hasten the regime's demise.

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DesertWolf May 25, 2010 at 7:33 pm

Regarding Israel,

Anyone who has any understanding of the Arab street will tell you that US support for Israel is a principle reason why so many young men in the Middle East take up arms against the United States. The other two reasons are American troops deployed in the ME region plus US support for Arab authoritarian regimes like the Saudi family. I am not trying to argue here whether the US support for Israel is good or bad; I am just making the point that US support for Israel has motivated a lot of men to pick up weapons and head off to fight the US.

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Bob May 25, 2010 at 8:48 pm

A good reason for killing the Arab street in mass numbers. Historically, Arabs only respect those that have their foot on an Arab neck, grinding his face into the ground. Their stated goal is to kill or enslave all infidels. It seems to be a religious thing with them. They are working on Europe again, and the U.S. is probably yes. Don't forget, the middle east was predominately Christian a thousand years ago. Lebanon was a Christian country fifty years ago. The Arab street doesn't believe in religious freedom, or much of any other kind of freedom.

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DesertWolf May 25, 2010 at 9:00 pm

I am not sure wether it is a good idea to even respond to your bigoted post but I will do it anyway.

As an Arab, I can tell you that I do not respect anyone who has a boot on my neck, but I respect only the just and the people who respect me in return. Furthermore, I have no intention of killing you or any other so called 'infidels' unless you come to 'step on my neck'. The Levant and Egypt, not the greater ME were predominantly Christian a 1300 years ago. The vast majority of Chrisitans converted to Islam at the time. Was there some coercion for conversion? Of course there was, but the vast majority converted to Islam the same way the vast majority of Jews in the ME region converted to Christianity in the first century AD. In fact, it is very well documented that the Chrisian populace in the Levant (and the Jews for that matter) welcomed the Arabs due to repression under the Byzantines and the Sassanids.

Learn your history.

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WJS May 25, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Welcomed the Arabs because of the repression of the Sassanids? Is that why the Caliphate then spread into Spain? I think one repression took the place of another. Convert or die I believe was the theme back then. Arabs have never been a liberating influence. The Byzantines were a Christian empire anyway. So what are you talking about? Jesus was Jewish so yes alot of Jews would ultimately convert to Chistianity otherwise there wouldn't be Christians. Judaism was the mother of both Christianity and Islam. Jews and Christians get along. Why can't islam get along with anybody? Not with Jews, Christians, Buddists, Sikhs, Hindus, or anyone.

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DesertWolf May 25, 2010 at 9:26 pm

What do the Sassanids have to do with Spain? Of course there was an Arab conquest, but the reason why a tribal society few in number managed to conquer massive territory in a few decades despite facing off against superiror numbers and equipment was largely due to the lack of resistance of native lands conquered, with notable exceptions being the initial resistance of the Berbers and Iberians. These native lands aluded to earlier were largely under a foreign occupation (Byzantines and Sassanids), which the natives (yes, even the Christians in the Levant but particularly the Jews) despised due to extreme taxation and repression. Convert or die was NOT the theme back then, if you knew a little about the conquest then you would know that non-converts paid an extra tax that was still much lower than they paid to the Byzantines and Sassanids.

Islam got along with Judaism far better than Christianity until the last 100 years. Do I really need to remind you about the Reconquista and the expulsion of Jews and Muslims together to Northern Africa, do I need to remind you of the alliance of Arab Christians and Muslims hand in hand in Palestine against Israeli occupation?

Rob May 26, 2010 at 6:07 am

America supports Isreal because of UN mandate WITH its other allies. We also have private sector support for Palestine.

The American government & people are totally against ANY Isreal expansion. Most support a 2 state solution

I find it crazy anyone kill themselves in far off places because "USA supports Isreal" instead of destroying and new settlements or Isreal itself.

America support many arab countries as well. ..& now Iraq & Afghanistan. Not in attempts to convert or overtake. Coexistence.

All of alQueada ideals are blinded by the fact any real attempt that fractured or destroyed parts of our country would rain radiation and decay across all their homelands they claim so dearly to protect.

As well as if just stop attacks. Guess what ? We get bored and come home.

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Cannon Fodder May 26, 2010 at 5:11 pm

Nope, America supports Israel, because we are a Christian nation and has very strong ties with Israel. The majority of Americans are completely behind Israel fully occupying and building in it's land.

There is already a two state solution. It is Israel and Jordan. The Palestinians should return to Jordan and Muslims should stop trying to force Israel to give up more of her land.

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DualityOfMan May 27, 2010 at 12:47 am

The Palestinians should return to Jordan? Where do you think they were in 1947?

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Cannon Fodder May 27, 2010 at 1:17 am

Why did the Muslim's bulldoze Israel's holiest site and build a Muslim Mosque on top of it?

It will come down soon anyways, the Temple Mount institute already has everything needed to cleanse the temple mount and build the third and final temple…

DesertWolf May 27, 2010 at 8:58 am

Don't even try, I believe there is no reasoning here….

DesertWolf May 25, 2010 at 7:33 pm

About Seoul being within range of thousands of DPRK artillery tubes. That is a half-truth. While it is true that the North Koreans have thousands of tubes, only the Koksan M-1978 SP gun-howitzer and the has the range to seriously threaten the center of Seoul. It is estimated that the DPRK has anywhere from 200-500 of these 170mm guns. Furthermore, the DPRK can also use the BM-11 (BM-21 Grad) to shower 122mm rockets on the northern suburbs of Seoul. Basically, if you check a map you will see that Seoul lies at least 40km south of the DMZ with the center being at 60km distance. This puts only the 122mm (plus 240 mm) rocket artillery and the Koksan within range of Seoul's suburbs and Seoul proper but all these systems are pretty heavy stuff and can wreck some serious damage none the less. Of course, the DPRK also has SSMs that can hit Seoul.

Read more:http://defensetech.org/2010/05/25/dissident-web-s…
Defense.org

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Cannon Fodder May 25, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Iran is mouthing off and now N. Korea. I am so glad that Obama is straightening out all of these nations that hate us. It is all just big misunderstandings. We should immediately send Obama there to bow to them and apologize for American arrogance.

I am surprised that Obama didn't try to get the South Korean sailors that survived the torpedo attack charged for instigating the Nords….

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Chops May 25, 2010 at 9:19 pm

The other thing is that if the N K started a war Obama would probably offer the N K — TARP- funds to pay for their expended munitions.

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David May 25, 2010 at 8:51 pm

Preemptive shock and awe the north's rocket and artillery sites which target the capital.

Lets be real they don't have the fuel to be moving them constantly so some recon and a couple hundred bombs and cruise missiles should easily wipe out the overstated threat the north has.

The norks survive by making empty threats towards an international community of sissies. Who like an incompetent parent give in to their kid's toothless demands.

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Tulse May 25, 2010 at 10:02 pm

I'm curious about this passage in the above posting: "Kim broadcast the message on a closed circuit radio the South can’t monitor". What does it mean to have a "closed circuit radio"? That seems almost an oxymoron to me. Does it mean that its encrypted (in which case I have a hard time imagining the US doesn't have the resources to crack it)?

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john May 25, 2010 at 10:08 pm

I read that NK has 'wired' radio system (really cable radio) into each house/work place to make announcements, that the NK leadership doesn't want outsiders to hear. TV/radio broadcasts can be picked up by ROK/US, hence the closed circuit radio system.

Thanks to the NK defectors that are now living in SK AND smuggled cell phones, we get to hear what they are now.

Hope that helps.

Source, SK newspapers.

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john May 25, 2010 at 10:11 pm

Check out the groovy marching of NK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk&fm…

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bleh May 25, 2010 at 6:41 pm

Starting a war with the North is infeasible and stupid. SK would be pissed, China even more so and what are you gonna achieve? NK doesn’t have anything.

Obama’s doing the right thing. US governments over the last 2 decades tried the carrot and the stick and it just doesn’t work. Kim just exploited it to get aid. The Obama administration just ignores him that’s why he’s getting desperate. Either *he* attacks in which case not even China’s gonna help him or he goes back into his corner and shuts up.

The SK ship was unfortunate but it won’t work against military ships that expect torpedo attacks, not with the level of equipment on the two sides. OTOH attacks against civilian ships will piss off China because they’re so dependent on trade.

So now it’s time to put up or shut up for NK and we just have to call their bluff

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john May 25, 2010 at 11:24 pm

@bleh,
I agree with your statement entirely. No one can blame Obama for this bigger headache. It was there all along.

I just wanted to clarify that US won't start a war with NK no matter what, unless SK is willing, which I doubt for obvious reasons.

Again, US can not start a war on Korean peninsula unilaterally.

I personally feel NK will put up with losing revenue (with losing 10% + of their GDP when SK cut trade) and will also shut up eventually too.

Remember, China wants to maintain the status quo. Just means more suffering for the poor NK people.

But who knows, when NK backs down, it will be signal for someone or some group in NK to topple Dear Leader Kim…

Whenever NK faced a succession of its leader, it staged some kind of military confrontation to keep their populace in line. I believe this sub attack was the same deal with 3rd generation of Kim family line about to assume more prominent role. I bet they just didn't expect SK to push back that hard.

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jsallison May 25, 2010 at 9:13 pm

Actually the last conflict we engaged in on the Korean peninsula was successful in that we restored the status quo ante. Which actually had been our goal excepting for the overreaching ego of McArthur. Wouldn’t surprise me if China wasn’t still smarting over the body count, it wasn’t cheap(for them).

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blight May 26, 2010 at 4:37 am

We need sat intel to figure out what needs to be destroyed on opening night. The quicker we decapitate enemy forces near Seoul, the sooner the SK will be saved from a long and brutal rebuild.

How much of the SK army might be bogged down in moving civilians out of Seoul? Can the police do it on their own? Has any of this been wargamed?

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Rob May 26, 2010 at 5:52 am

It's all a game of who will shoot first now. Something tells me neither, this time. But the negative broadcasts by both sides regretfully has ruined any chance for real peace for years to come.

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Bob May 26, 2010 at 8:04 am

We have to trust Obama. He has Hillary Clinton, possibly the smartest woman in the world on the scene. Obama has a plan and we can trust him to do the right thing at the right time. As he himself as said, he can work miracles.

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Brandon May 26, 2010 at 1:25 pm

LMFAO

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roland May 26, 2010 at 7:00 am

I hink all that the south needed to do is set the volume high.

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john May 26, 2010 at 8:32 pm

You know what will stop NK from shooting at the loud speakers on SK side? Install large posters of the Dear Leader in front of it! The brainwashed NK soldiers won't dare shoot at the posters of their cult leader, Dear Leader Kim.

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D-Man May 30, 2010 at 7:35 pm

I'm retired army. The North Koreans are nothing but hot air. If they try their weopons are way outdated and China better stay out of this. The North Koreans need a future and hope for peace. I say wipe the north korean government out and flush them down the toilet.

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Cannon Fodder May 26, 2010 at 3:34 am

Yeah, Muslim's hate americans because they support Israel. Israel is such a huge threat to Muslim's why? They own 1% of the land in the Middle East compared to Muslim countries and a minor fraction of the population.

The truth is Mohammed taught that Israel must be wiped out for the end to come, and all "Infidels" must be converted by force or choice to Islam. Their will be no peace until Islam stops trying to convert the world and destroy Israel.

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DualityOfMan May 27, 2010 at 12:46 am

Look up your history again. Whatever Osama Bin Laden wants you to think, Muslims are supposed to respect the "people of the book."

Also, Israel is the only country in the region with nuclear weapons, which makes it a threat to every country in the region.

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Cannon Fodder May 27, 2010 at 1:15 am

If they are to respect the "People of the Book", why do Muslim's hate Israel??? They are the children of the promise anyways and not the children of the slave woman.

Israel is the only country in the Middle East that can be trusted with Nuclear weapons!

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Cannon Fodder May 26, 2010 at 11:02 pm

RefugefromIslam.com

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Cannon Fodder May 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm

I am just sick of hearing people saying that Israel is the reason why Muslims are picking up arms. 3/4 of the Muslim Holy books state that Israel is the chosen people of God. The 4th says to kill them wherever they find them. No wonder so many Muslims are confused.

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