Proposals Would Shrink British Military to Size Medium

More leaks from Britain’s ongoing defense review, part of a dramatic shrinking of the public sector by the new Conservative-led coalition government. The Daily Telegraph got hold of “detailed proposals” that include slashing the RAF’s fighter fleet to fewer than 200 planes, cutting two nuclear submarines, three amphibious ships and an armored brigade. Total military personnel losses under the government’s new austerity plan are put at 16,000.

The RAF would lose all of its 120 GR4 Tornados and the Eurofighter Typhoon fleet would drop from 160 t0 107 planesas the Telegraph put it, the RAF would shrink to levels not seen since World War I. It’s really hard to see how the UK goes ahead with its planned buy of 138 Joint Strike Fighters amid such deep cuts.

The Army could be reduced by as much as 40 percent. The paper said the Royal Marines will be taken from the Navy and grouped with the Army’s remaining two parachute battalions into a “super elite” unit. One of two Army armored brigades still based in Germany is expected to be dropped from the rolls along with its collection of Challenger 2 tanks and Warrior armored personnel carriers.

The paper writes:

“If implemented, the cuts will mean that Britain will almost certainly depart the world stage as a major military power and become what military chiefs call a “medium-scale player.”

Britain’s government won’t announce the depth of the actual cuts until October; the information leaking out now is about the various proposals being debated. The leaks may serve their intended purpose and mobilize various constituencies to try and stop some of the cuts; although, the British government appears to be pretty intent on their announced goal of cutting military spending by 20 percent over the next four years.

— Greg Grant

  • JEFF

    Well it seems the sun has set on the British Emprie. Its taken a while but here it is.

  • William C.

    That happened a long time ago Jeff. This is just salt in the wound to pay for unsustainable social programs and entitlements. The British military will go from a key ally, to one of those countries who sends 50 troops to a NATO operation and calls it a day.

    Didn’t they learn anything during the 1930s?

    • Tallyrand Corp

      How come you never call military spending unsustainable? Social spending actually creates sustainability through job training, reduction in chronic health ailments, better education, oversight to insure clean water, unadulterated food, maintaining infrastructure, etc. Besides the jobs affiliated with defense spending, these funds are mostly lost on the most wasteful enterprise known to man: war. America spends more on defense than most of the rest of the planet combined, and still I hear complaints about about how much goes to non-defense needs. You do realize the country has concerns other than war, right? That goes especially for England with its reduced economic base. Grow up, no one is taking us over so stop with the apocalyptic rhetoric.

  • John Moore

    Better to get your costs in order while there is relative peace in your area on the globe.

  • Wild Bill

    You guys down in the Falklands you might want to start learning Spanish……

  • Drake1

    I read somewhere that it’s common in Britain to put out feelers like this to gauge public reaction. Cuts are coming across the board over there for social and welfare spending. It will be interesting to see how much they get on one side versus the other when government workers inevitably go on strike.

    • Wildcard

      People knew what the Conservatives stood for, they voted for cuts, and cuts they shall receive.

  • Byron Skinner

    Good Morning Folks,

    I can’t argue much in what Tallyrand Corp. (I like the name) is saying. The times have changed for the UK and the EU. Historically for the UK security issues have come from the European Continent, especially since Crimean War (1854-56) in the mid 19th. Century. The countries of the EU have takes a definite turn away from militarism, how long will it last, who knows, but it would seem that the K doesn’t want to be the spark to reignite those latent European interests. I know everybody is going to say what about the Falklands in 1982?

    Well what about the Falkland? I would think that today a quite different response would be made by the UK towards Argentina’s actions. The odd couple of Ronnie and Margaret, have fallen into the abyss of the 20th. Century, and sanity is emerging. This daffy duet is best left to the history books and relegated as just a speed bump to post WW II recovery.

    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

  • Ross

    apparently Tallyrand Corp does not appreciate just how much of the domestic technology and industry development is generated by the defence sector.

    major industry capabilities and skills have already been lost under labour, shipbuilding was on the verge of utter collapse..

    now we’re going to utterly destroy all three arms and their remaining support, along with the tens of thousands of jobs that go with them.

    This cannot….just cannot happen. the UK armed forces were cut beyond the bone under labour, there is no conceivable way they can justify cutting to the extent outlined above. I seriously hope this is one horrendous joke.

    • Drake1

      This is all rumor and conjecture at this point.

    • Vitally important point. A majority of the technologies that we enjoy today all derived from military research at one point or another. Also, defense spending is a primary effect of government multiplier effect and industrial employment.

      I’m really curious what everyone thinks is stabilizing the U.S.’ credit rating right now, if not the military. The primary factor is the foundations for a unrivaled economy, and the rest is the capability to keep that economy safe and functional. Like it or not, the defense sector is a major part of the overall Western economy now.

    • Tallyrand Corp

      You could help my appreciation by furnishing some proof of your claims. “Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness” and all that…

      • STemplar

        Computers were developed to aim artillery better, pretty much encompasses the issue of software l would think. Interstates were funded a built by Eisenhower as he marveled at the autobahn and the ability to move troops around which is also one of the principal reasons Rome developed good road building techniques.

  • Blight

    Voters will no longer vote for a respectable military machine. Bread and circuses please…?

  • Oblat

    >just how much of the domestic technology and industry development is generated by the defence sector.

    This is just a joke told to the tech rubes. The exact opposite is true. A $ spent in the defense industries is several times less effective than that spent directly on R&D. Every year we see more being invested in R&D by Americas competitors while the US with the largest expenditure in the military is falling behind them in field after field.

    It’s ironic that Americans don’t get that they are in a global competition now and that they cant just coast along on the fat the way they have over the last 100 years. They still have the mentality that they are rich enough not to bother. This is of course the same malady that wiped out the British empire.

  • A.Lentz

    it’s sad to see such a magnificent military force being degraded like that, i fear so much of those vital skills and force flexibility will be lost and only be returned in a dire moment of need when it will be too late. i can just see it being like Australia in 1939 having to call on old men and boys when the you know what hits the fan.

    @ John Moore, you might have a point, it might be the only way they can save the country from going under and then not being able to deploy any troops.

    @ Drake1, that’s a more than plausible reason to leak this kind of information. good call

    However I would just like to put this out there to any currently serving members of HM forces, if you are looking to stay in the forces (and this could apply to any US servicemen too) the Australian Defense Force is expanding over the next 10 years (very rapidly in the next four) the urgent need for skilled submariners, with two Landing Helicopter Docks, a massive new fleet of up too 100 F-35’s (we’ll see), the return of 4RAR much sooner then expected and the expansion of its existing forces there are sure to be opportunities for personnel with the right mix of skills. With the resources boom in Australia taking so many of the Australian Defense service, Members of the UK or US forces should consider themselves free agents and go to where they will be appreciated. http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/

  • DualityOfMan

    Their defense budget is only 2.5% of GDP which is almost half of ours. It’s not like they are overspending as it is.

  • William C.

    Anyway, that has got to be a record number of responses to a comment up there.

  • Europe’s defense posture will change quickly once China grabs an island chain, or Russia invades another fragmentistan for the heck of it.

    In all seriousness, though, this move would essentially cement asymmetric threats like terrorism and nearby (like, European) insurgencies as the only threats capable of being handled by the U.K. Please don’t do it. :(

  • Jay

    SLt, why not cut social services to sustainable levels? Or at least stop letting massive numbers of foreigners settle in Britain and share the generous handouts?

    That’s what a lot of Americans want to do, even though our government is against it.

  • zilwiki

    In my opinion they should cut the army more, stay out of large land wars, and concentrate on maritime warfare, their historic strength. The army should concentrate on special operations, raiding, and being able to defend the UK and its overseas territories. All wars are not going to be like Afghanistan.
    I hope this is just being floated to gauge public reaction.

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