China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles are Operational

It looks like this is the week China’s military rapidly advancing military tech keeps getting the limelight . First, we saw pics of the Asian giant’s new stealth fighter. Now, it looks like China is one step closer to fielding ballistic missiles aimed at holding U.S. forces throughout the Pacific at bay.

Adm. Robert Willard, the top U.S. officer in the Pacific said this week that China’s new DF-21D anti-ship balistic missiles, with their 900-mile range, have reached an early operational status.

Apparently, the missiles, widely fretted over in Washington as one of the most serious threats to the United States’ ability to project power in the Pacific (read here, here and here) have reached the equivalent of initial operational capability, Willard said in an interview with the Japanese Newspaper, Asahi Shimbun.

While the U.S. hasn’t seen an “over water” test of the missile, Willard says that the fact that the system is at IOC, means it can likely hit intended targets.

Typically, to have something that would be regarded as in its early operational stage would require that that system be able to accomplish its flight pattern as designed, by and large.

He goes on to say that while the missiles are not yet as serious a threat to American aircraft carriers as submarines are, they do represent one more layer of a complex anti-access, area denial system ranging from advanced surface to air missiles to submarines and the new ballistic missiles which could strike either U.S. allies or its carriers and bases in the region.

The anti-access/area denial systems, more or less, range countries, archipelagos such as Japan, the Philippines and Vietnam, so there are many countries in the region that are falling within the envelope of this, of an A2/AD capability of China. That should be concerning–and we know is concerning–to those countries.

While it may be largely designed to assure China of its ability to affect military operations within its regional waters, it is an expanded capability that ranges beyond the first island chain and overlaps countries in the region. For that reason, it is concerning to Southeast Asia, (and) it remains concerning to the United States.

The rise of this type of anti-access technology has caused the Pentagon to beging reevaluating how it will fight a major war under the aegis of the Air-Sea Battle concept, which calls for the Air Force and Navy to figure out how they will work together to overcome such threats.  That plan is being finalized right now, none too soon in light of these latest developments. It remains to be seen whether the concept will me a highly fleshed out plan for fighting in places like the Western Pacific or if it will be a mere vision statement.

One aspect that will likely feature prominently in the Air-Sea Battle concept is the, so-called, family of long range strike systems being eyed by the DoD.

The family of systems idea was launched after Defense Secretary Robert Gates shelved the Air Force’s plan to build a new long range bomber by 2018. Instead, he told the service to look at what capabilities it could develop along with the other services to best overcome advanced enemy air defenses. While some sort of penetrating bomber/electronic attack/intelligence plane may be part of this family, it will also likely include stand-off cruise missiles lauchded by air or sea, and even land based ballistic missiles capable of hitting targets around the globe on very short notice.

While China insists its military tech is being developed for defensive purposes and that China will always work to safeguard “regional peace and stability,” it’s not always clear what that means. For example, China’s military has dramatically increased its penetrations of Japanese airspace, resulting in Japanese fighters being scrambled 44 times this fiscal year; double the total for 2006, according to a different article in Asahi Shimbun.

  • Robert

    In other words, don’t try to mess with the Red Dragon in it’s own back yard. You will regret it. One Pacific power is ebbing, another great power it raising to take its place.

  • roland

    It looks like a modified S-400. Perhaps we need the russian, Israelis scientist help or make our own version like a US modified ballistic RIM-67 missiles to counter the threat.

  • rick

    But China can never beat us because we are so diverse and Diversity is Strength, right? That’s what my teachers always say. Nothing is more important than Diversity. Diversity is Strength – it says so right on the school posters.

  • Japan needs to militarize, and the Navy needs to get serious on BMD. That’s all there is to it.

    • Or, more simply, they can just buy the Israeli anti-missile systems; Arrow, Davids Sling and Iron Dome.

      There, just saved you billions of dollars wasted on defense contractors dragging their heels.

    • Tian

      Japan can’t militarize. To do so would impede American interests in claiming a foot-hold on the Rimlands of Eurasia. On the other hand, a pliant Japan would be justification for continual American (soft) colonial presence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_J._Spykman#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_J._Spykman#

      • Tad

        I believe Japan will eventually feel threatened enough by China to militarize. I agree with you in that it will probably be done against the wishes of the US. My reasoning is that the Japanese can no longer trust the US to keep the sea lanes open because the Chinese are building such formidable anti-ship forces (i.e., subs, anti-ship missiles, long-range stealth attack planes, deeply submerged mines, …).

    • 0pilot

      I don’t think the American’s want Japan to fufill it’s potential militarily. They’re afraid of the outcome. Japan may have a relapse.

  • rick

    In 2030 China may have the largest economy in the world. They may have most of the high tech manufacturing in the world. They may have more advanced science and engineering than America.

    But we’ll still be #1 cause we’ll be more Diverse! And nothing can beat Diversity! Yaaay Diversity!

    China just has Chinese. China isn’t Diverse at all. Which means they can’t possibly be successful at anything because Diversity is Strength. How can they build anything when all their scientists and engineers are only Chinese? That’s unpossible! Where’s their Diversity? It is not physically possible to develop advanced weapons without Diversity!

    In summary, Diversity! Thank you.

    • –>
      Stormfront is that way.

    • kim

      Don’t feed the trolls…..

    • tperk1

      If they knock out our Satellites where blind, lost, deaf and our smart bombs become stupid. they sink our carriers there goes our instant over-seas fire-power. I think we have to resort back to 1960’s super low-bandwidth frequency to co-communicate (I hope) with are nuclear subs. Then that leaves us to fight man-e- Mano. in their back yard. How much has their military spending increased and how many Billion-Chinese are there? Our fire-power was almost overcome by human-wave attacks in the 1950’s. Throw in some of the highest-hardest mountains in the world and a few million half-starved North- Koreans. They could grab Taiwan, and South-Korea (just to occupy our over-extended forces more). And finally if it don’t go” Nuclar” (G.W.B.) they could make a grab for Japan.

    • 0pilot

      Well, ask yourself this question. Would you want to live in China? Do a majority of Chinese people live a happy life?

    • heerwa

      I can NOT believe you are so stupid. white people once are so powerful but now like a pile of mud, weak ,lazy and live without ambition. white woman go for blacks; white men go or yellow women. like an huge race suicide. this is NOT a power of life ,whites are under the deadly power of JEWS.

      jewish Diversity is ****, it can only destory any successful nations. once for all.
      that is a jewish weapon to kill off whites. USA is dying because of the controlling of jews.

      • wellfuckme

        For real? Why is there always one Jew basher on every website. I’m glad you also have a great grasp of the English language.

  • Byron Skinner

    Good Afternoon Folks,

    Before everybody gets excited, I would suggest that they go and read the AP story this was taken from. The conclusion of the AP story is the opposite of what this nameless byline story comes to.

    The phrase “…early operational stages.” is just down right false. The AP story says that some problems with the DF-121D are being solved on paper, but the DF-21D is nowhere near operational. The DF21D has yet to even have a successful flight test with all its stages, and is still very problem prone.

    Much of the DF-21’s technology is from the Russian Federations Toplo M program, which has been canceled. The GEM problem with stage three couldn’t be solved and the solid fueled mobile ICBM program is in the process of being restarted and no results are expected till 2020 earliest.

    The AP story ends saying that the DF-21D “Carrier Killer” is years away.

    ALLONS,
    Byron Skinner

  • Kevin

    How does this work? What sensors do the targeting? Wouldn’t taking out the targeting sensors make this system moot?

    • praetorian

      Mabey Boeing’s space plane was built just for this. Take out the enemies eyes in the sky.

  • goldplated

    We have nukes.. they have nukes. First combatant to fire a shot on either side will start a chain of events leading up to MAD. Why even bother?

    • Jerry

      Our nukes can reach anywhere in China, while theirs can hit California at best?

  • brian

    Just means if we get into a shooting war with China, the Satellites are going to be the first targets to go. Once the Chinese are blind in space, these missiles will be worthless as they won’t be able to target.

    • Do we have enough capability in the ASAT category? I saw an article on here about that a while ago…

      • Moose

        tricky question, but the Navy did shoot down a satellite with an ABM missile recently.

      • brian

        Yes we have substantial anti-sat capabilities.

    • 0pilot

      someone is thinking.

    • Charles

      Over horizon radar, airborne radar, and satellite sensors track ships. You are living in denial, here. No defense for maneuverable anti-ship ballistic missiles even on the drawing board.

  • STemplar

    Interesting but given that the USN is already war gaming with the X47 as a done deal, it really doesn’t do much for the Chinese.

  • Justin H

    More reasons not to shrink the defense budget, which is already less than 5% of the entire GDP. And more reasons to step up work on supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles.

  • Chops

    If things went far enough south for China to attack one of our carriers with their new missle, I think they would wind up with more problems than they ever imagined.

    • 0pilot

      hmm i don’ think it’s the carriers that China needs to worry about….

  • Deepak

    The Chinese are building their defences at a pace that are keeping others at tenterhooks. They will soon make their 5th Gen plane operational. Their carriers are on their way. I see them as the next super power unless US takes steps to counter it. Am sure they will. But where is the money gonna come from?

    • roland

      It came from us (USA). In May 2009, the US owed China $772 billion. We been paying them a yearly interest, and China use that interest to build their China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles to use against us when we attack NK in the future.

    • Justin H

      China wont become a military super power for another 10 years.

    • josh

      im also wondering what the hell are we devoloping or are we just watching and not doing anything but talking about them rising and waiting for something to happen to us.

      its going to be a 2 superpower world again. u.s / china.

      you want to stop china’s rise. its simple, stop buying there made in china shit. we laid the foundation down for china

      • scott

        what are we developing?..we are developing the worlds most expensive healthcare system….bahahahaha!!! :P

    • JJC

      Since we are already borrowing Billions and Billions of $$$ from the Chinese, why stop?

    • 0pilot

      oh another super power, it’s all relative. China is defending the mother land which is well within their right. it’s when they starting popping up near the US is when the American people will be very upset. But it’s what the American’s do to everyone else.

  • blight

    Questions we need to answer is what is the projected flight time from a missile silo in China into a target in the Pacific Ocean? Are the conventional approximated numbers for ballistic missiles from the cold war (twenty minutes or less) appropriate? If so, thirty knots isn’t very far in miles.

    If there is no nuclear warhead, then it means some vaguely approximate terminal guidance is required. An INS is good to ~50-100 meters: perfect to nail a carrier, and would probably require some luck against a DDG or a CG.

    The key seems to be detection envelope. Launches can be detected fairly easily with Cold War era systems designed to track Russian ICBM launches. It gives you enough warning to change course headings and foil a missile attack, even if you had a targets position and vector when programming the target area.

  • tperk1

    Whenever china starts saber-rattling over Taiwan the first thing America does is send the carrier task force of the 7th fleet to the Taiwan Straits or The East China Sea depending on who you ask. Also they have developed a Satellite killer (tested and successful). Any one can see they are identifying our main strengths and targeting them. They must see a potential conflict with us in their future!

  • Musson

    Anti-missile missiles are to limited and costly to be anything but an interim option.

    Rail guns and lasers are advancing so quickly, they may actually evolve into a reasonable point defense system.

    • Josh

      Smartest comment in the entire comment section. Lasers and the rail gun are the future. It’s amazing to see the progress the railgun has made just in the last five years. It went from a giant warehouse power consuming monster. To a deployable and sustainable model. The whole thought process of BMD and the money we have spent on it is sad. ( although THAAD is pretty cool) We’re pushing the limits of conventional weapons capability. Missiles can only go so fast, and most conventional platforms being integrated into the BMD shield although capable of doing the job with further refinements and advancements in the systems and technology. The true be all end all to BMD is lasers. If we had used all the money we’ve spent so far on conventional BMD assets on Lasers we would have some pretty awesome capabilities. Lasers are in their infancy like the rail gun was 5 years ago, and look how far we’ve come with that system. Not to mention how much money we have budgeted into the future of BMD. By the time the current BMD plan becomes fully operational we will have greater alternatives to the systems we’re currently deploying

  • Maxtrue

    “David Sullivan wrote:
    If the Chinese have large numbers of fixed or mobile sensors on the seabed, they have intelligence superiority over large areas. With seabed based torpedoes, like the one that sank the South Korean ship this year, they can make it too costly for the U.S. fleet to operate in the region. Anti-ship from seabed and ballistic missiles would be a deadly synergism.” Aviation weekly

  • roland

    China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles are gps and radar base guidance missile with approximate 900+ distance flight . It looks like a modified S-400.

  • Maxtrue
  • Tad

    Big deal, as long as the US can control the sea lanes it’s got China bottled up. Park the carriers 950 miles away and have them fly air superiority missions for lots of smaller vessels (including subs) that are armed with anti-ship missiles. I doubt these anti-ship ballistic missiles are accurate enough to take out subs or even smaller ships such as frigates or even destroyers.

    • 0pilot

      did someone say strike missions?

  • roland

    I think China is dependent with GPS nowadays. The technology was copied from us. If there is an engagement with China, I believe the first good defense will be is attacking their GPS satellites, that will be used to guide their missiles against us (USA).

  • EDWARD

    SAME AS ABOVE

  • josh

    does anybody have any idea what we have been developing to counter alot of china’s weaponry or is the pentagon just sitting back and having meetings about it and not doing anything?

    well i did read the other day about this in the washington times and so far obama bin laden hasnt offered any defense plan for this yet.obama is against the weaponazation of space and is on record for saying it while china is pushing further advancement in asats, he retired the navy’s nuclear cruise missile and has stopped production of the f-22.

  • Max

    In order for an anti-carrier ballistic missile to work, you have to have accurate targeting data. Even if a carrier’s position is fixed before launch, in the several minutes that it would take to fire the missile and land in the area of the carrier, the carrier can move extremely fast if it wants to and escape getting hit by any ballistic missile that uses inertial guidance.

    The only way around this problem is if the warhead has a terminal guidance radar or is able to communicate with a radar satellite to give it constant position updates. Have the Chinese developed either capability?

    • DualityOfMan

      The DF-21D uses infrared terminal guidance.

    • Soumya

      China has this capabilty and china has third largest number of military guidance satelite after U.S and Russia.

  • Tenn Slim

    Opine

    China needs stability domestically. A Anti/Defense Missle IOC like this, adds to the PR for Domestics. IOC stage still has a lot of operational problems inherent. IE can the missle hit the target, etc.

    Again, DOD says, study the problem. Shelve the funds, study, think. A typical Leftist OBAMA response.

    end

  • Jim Paul

    If we used all our bullets to cut down the Chinese, we would only stop half of them. They then would be twice as strong as then they only have to feed less people.

  • Justin H

    China uses our GPS, they do not have their own system.

  • John

    Wonder if this was the mach 10 missile that china was ragging on about yet is 10 years or more behind us in ram and scram jet technology, therefore we know they couldnt produce it.

  • Jason

    If the Chinese hit one of our carriers with this missile wouldn’t that be considered a hate crime against our gay sailors?

  • john

    hahaha…china….

  • Soumya

    Do u guys know that Russia,China and India is talking abut merging a military allince in SE Asia.

  • Miguel Sanchez

    Yes.!! with out think twice. USA. most eliminate , China gps, satellites, before it is too late. in case of…………

  • andrewells134

    You people are just dumb, why do you really think we retired the shuttle program? There is better technology available for space command. You are niave in you think that in a real war situation any country who has satellites wont suffer command and control issues pretty damned quick. Unless China wants to take a chance and risk injury to their economy by fighting a war they would loose in more ways that one. First they would loose the American market which means their money, second their ability to wage war beyond their shores at sea or in the air would tantamount to suicide. They could loose 1 million men a day at war but not 100 fighter planes a day. Make no mistake guys if i was Enemy pilot i do not want to have to face any of the top U.S. air superiorty fighter even the upgraded old stuff, but certainly not a YF-22. You can shoot what you cant see or comprehend in terms of super secret Technology.

  • Sergio San Quentin

    Listen to me you buck of idiots, the US Navy is developing and is close to bringing to life a gigantic laser that is capable of shooting down anything that threatens its Military…especially their Navy!!!

    • blight

      The Air Force has taken the lead in high-power lasers, and the Navy’s efforts are focused on a smaller rapid-fire laser for point defense against missiles and smallcraft.

    • Andrew

      They canceled the Free Electron Laser.

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