J-20/J-XX in Motion

J-20, it’s real and it’s doing high-speed ground runs. More outstanding pics here.

  • Davis

    I honestly just don’t know what to think anymore.

  • Kevin

    Combo F-22/YF-23?

  • joseca

    and F35 if you see the intakes

  • Robert

    Never under estimate the Peoples Liberation Army. They will kick your a$$ if you do.
    The beauty of it is that the U.S. is sending the Chicoms the $$ and technology to build these fantastic airplanes.

  • greyman

    in the early pics of the JXX are the Airintakes underneath the fuslage, now their beside.
    Are there more than 1 prototype?

  • Ed!

    Everyone look at the left, rear landing gear hatch. Why is the inside part facing outward on the aircraft? If it hinges the way it looks, then the skin coating would be on the inside of the aircraft. If this is supposed to be a stealth aircraft, that would be a huge spot to leave open. I think we are seeing a very elaborate hoax here.

    • Matt

      Wheel probably folds forward

    • Nadnerbus

      Hu? I don’t think any planes are stealthy with all their bays and gear open.

      • Ed!

        The gear door is what I am referring to. Look at the door. It is white with those metal rods on it. If that is the gear door, and judging by the hinge point, when folded, that part would be on the outside of the plane. If that is a stealth aircraft, you can’t have the door for the gear like that.

        • Bzl

          The gear door is fwd and inboard of the gear strut. It looks like the gear swings up fwd, and the door opens toward the centerline of the fuselage. The F-35 has a similar design except the doors swing out and away from the fuselage. It’s kind of hard to see but there should be another landing gear door somewhere around the shock strut.

          • Ed!

            I don’t see the other door, even on the other angle shots. Although both sides show the identical looking door.

    • smoke

      Idiot. it hinges upward.

      the hoax is people who believe barry obama and gates are not the chicomms best buds by canceling the F22….

  • john moore

    Looks like someone has been busy stealing f-22 secrets looks very simular althougha lot bigger but give it time they will bring it into line.

    Not good!

  • A. Nonymous

    Looks awfully large for an air superiority fighter. Whoever suggested in one of the previous posts that it’s a platform for launching anti-ship cruise missiles is probably right.

    • Justin H

      Or carries a bunch of bombs and fuel.

    • DualityOfMan

      It doesn’t look larger than the F-22, which is huge.

  • tee

    A few years back LM or Boeing I forgot which had 3.5 Terabytes of data stolen, does anyone remember that, back in 07 or 08? Looks like we found out who stole it.

    • tomato juice

      It was the JSF, however it doesnt really look anything like it.

      • Wildcard

        Those 3.5 terabytes of info could have been about anything other than the acutal airframe, so one shouldn’t expect a 1:1 replica of the F35.

  • Lance

    Still thinks a mock up and or it might still not fly. Possible design study. It lacks vectored thrust of the F-22 and it has alot of 90 degree edges so it lacks same stealth capilbilties like the F-22 or F-35. I think this is more of a strike fighter to replace A-5 Fantans more than a fighter plane. I doubt the Chicoms have the capacity now to make hords of them is they do have the capibilites any where near a F-22 or even the older but deadly F-15. The Russians have more threating wepons than china, though china’s numbers make it threatning.

  • Rob

    The yanks have blown it with that porker the F-35, it can only do mach 1.3

  • Thunder350

    Still not to late to start F-22 production back up and scrap (or atleast cut the numbers to buy more F-22’s) the F-35 that keeps getting delayed and delayed, and cost more $$$$$$ then even the F-22. I mean who needs stealth strike aircraft if like everyone keeps saying (stupidly too I might add) that we wont EVER in a million years fight a conventional war again. Just stop F-35 production now and start A-10 production back up!

  • Justin H

    “Thats a huge ***** !” Doesnt look like any side weapons bays, must carry everything on the bottom. MIGHT be a match for F-35.

  • Justin H

    J-20 = Gen 4.75 Interceptor/Fighter-Bomber

    • Justin H

      Chinese trolls be gone!

  • project thor

    looks like it would take a hundred miles just to turn that fat cow around… it’s a JSF after Thanksgiving AND Christmas dinner combined…

  • brian

    I still think it looks like took a YF-23 and went to town with the ugly stick on it.

  • Maxtrue
  • Strange

    the YF-23 Black Widow coming back to haunt you

  • tomato juice

    It really has nothing similar to the YF 23…

  • IKnowIT

    It has canards, right? What does that do to stealth?

    • aso

      A bigger RCS!

      • Wildcard

        Not necessarily

  • Prainx

    This is what happens when a YF-23 and a EuroFighter have to much to drink.

  • Strange

    yeah the next thing your gonna tell me is that chinese agents did not take any pics at the national museum of usaf in dayton, ohio

    • Jerry

      The last time I was in Dayton visiting the museum there was a bunch of mainland Chinese folks there taking pictures. Wright State (the school right next to it) also have a sizable mainland Chinese population as well.

    • Fighter27

      It’s not illegal to take those pictures. Hell, I live less than a mile from the place, I go there all the time. It’s not the shape that makes the YF-23/F-22 what it is. It’s everything else that the Chinese CAN’T get their hands on that makes it what it is.

  • Justin H

    Russia just this year made a true 5th gen fighter, I really doubt China could be right behind them.

    • Justin H

      I see the ChiComs are trolling this board.

  • STemplar

    For those that call for re-starting the F22 or how we need to hurry up the F35 quite frankly you’re opinions play right into the Chinese goal in all this. Does anyone here think all this disclosure of an alleged Chinese stealth fighter now is coincidence? There is a new Congress about to be seated in a week that is going to be taking up defense issues shortly. The Chinese are clearly trying to influence where precious US defense dollars are spent. They have zero fear of F22s since we have no where to base them in the Pacific theater to make them relevant. They’re fielding systems to push carrier based F35s beyond their un-refueled combat radii. So naturally they want us to spend more money on systems they aren’t afraid of and what better way to make that happen then to roll out Sino Firefox a week before the next Congress. The mental nitwits in Washington will rush to build counters to this ‘Sino-menace’ and to maintain US superiority.

    What we need are systems that provide real deterrence and make the Chinese nervous. A NGB with a modest payload and 4000 nmi range would give them sleepless nights. The X47 is a monkey wrench they did not see coming and will be as much of a headache as the NGB. The DARPA solicitation for the hypersonic long range PGM from existing VLS tubes is a game changer in the Pacific. Those are valuable systems. These Tom Clancy/Xbox debates over the dog fighting characteristics of tacair are silly.

    Why would l move my carriers within a 1000 miles of China or get in a dog fight, when l can park half a dozen CSG’s in the Indian Ocean and put the word out to world wide commercial shipping nothing will be allowed in or out of Chinese ports or l’ll board and seize the ship. I would annihilate China without ever dropping a single piece of ordinance.

    • SGT TRIG

      Brillant analaysis , I implore you to email this to the members of the armed services committe. Also consider the political influnce of the military industrial complex, your intelligent insight is a greater threat to corprate amercia then BIN Ladden. I have always quoted ,”If a westerner thinks of the furture 100 years from now ,they are considered visionary, but the common eastener thinks a 1000 years ahead”. War is the perfect market, you seduce nations and groups to enter generational economic enslavement financing consumable products (i.e. weapon systems) and kill or serverley mame the few who are willing to preserve freedom,so we are left with docile masses paralized by fear of the corprate elite slave owners. There are three eternal truths of war, both sides must be financed to continue hostilites,there are no victors,only surviors,and the innocent always experience the most long term suffering.

    • William C.

      This concept of “we need to invest all of our money in ships” or subs or any other single piece of equipment needs a stake driven through it’s heart. We need new equipment across the board for the most part. While what you mention would likely be more useful if a conflict with the PRC was to occur, we can’t let them take the edge when it comes to tactical aircraft either. Don’t forget there is a very good chance China will start exporting more aircraft in the future.

      The USAF clearly needs a next generation bomber especially as the B-52s and B-1s start to retire in the coming decades. Yet at the same time they need to modernize their fighter fleet. That should include the F-22 and something like what the F-35 was supposed to be. Ideally we could have a larger strike aircraft along the lines of the proposed FB-22 or FB-23 as well. Such a long range strike aircraft could be the 21st century version of the F-111, perfect for long range interdiction and precision strike missions.

      When it comes to Navy priorities, the X-47B is a line of development that should certainly be continued for the Navy, but it doesn’t have a large payload or range like the NGB would have. Meanwhile the Navy needs to get on track with a 5th generation fighter / attack aircraft of their own. A new generation of supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles and anti-ship missiles should indeed be a priority as you have said. I have my doubts that they can fit them into current VLS cells, but if they can it becomes all the more useful. When it comes to submarines I think for the time being we should just continue development of the Virginia class.

    • tperk1

      This is Disinformation coming out of the PRC Intelligence arm. Notice the James bond esq pics. in the bush’s. Nobody can get that close to Area-51 and there are people (aviation enthusiasts, conspiracy junkies,etc.,) camped outside the place and they are living in a Democracy; yet in Communist China they stand in the bush’s take pics. and submit them to a Chinese Defense web-site (the tree-limbs probably aren’t real) Personally I think it’s the Chines Fabricated Raptor body with some Chinese power plants. Just to keep our eye’s off the ball! I’ve also noticed in the last five years, they have invented these spectacular counter-measures to our strengths. Namely: The satellite shoot-down, the Air-craft killer, and now Stealth tech. – seems odd!

  • MikeD

    “The DARPA solicitation for the hypersonic long range PGM from existing VLS tubes is a game changer in the Pacific”

    LOL DARPA, is this to be used with their flying helo-jeep and exo skeletons?
    What i’m trying to say is to get real if you believe DARPA will deliver the goods, they exist purely as a pie in the sky money sink and have no real use.

  • Mark

    This Chinese design is a takeoff of current IN-SERVICE aircraft, coupled with a ton of research on their part. Some of you people need to go back and review exactly what the YF-23 looks like.
    The 23 was a different planform, never chined vertically, intakes and exhausts were nothing like this, and it was never fitted with any vertical surfaces.

    Simply put, after having been out-flown, the YF-22, the contest winner, Lockheed was given the test data from the YF-23 to use in the redesign of the YF-22 into the F-22A. This provision was included in the original contest specs, and since the rules weren’t followed to the letter by either side, could have gone either way. Lockheed most definitely did make many major revisions using a combination of the data from both fighter prototypes

  • Mark

    Continued. . .
    Research Aviation Week and Space Technology’s articles and photos of the all-out redo to get the 22 to where it is today. Way overpriced, very difficult to keep stealthy, and extremely expensive to repair and maintain.
    The two Northrop test aircraft were mostly made on production tooling, so could have been in service YEARS sooner. Fastener types and count were reduced to a minimum. Overall maintenance hours count was also reduced drastically by designing the aircraft to be maintained in the easiest mode possible. People were actually thinking during this design program! I should know, as I was directly involved.
    My credentials . . . 9.5 years Naval Aviation, 4 years working for United Technologies, 18.5 years in Northrop Grumman’s black world design and test facilities, another 1.5 years at L3 Vertex working Northrop Grumman and Lockheed’s stealth fields and F-22A aircraft, and so far 4.5 years working for the US Government on essential aircraft Rehabilitation. Yes, I have much hands on time on both the 22 and 23, including preliminary testing and final results.
    Northrop won the contest, Lockheed won the contract.
    Enjoy your New Year!

    • Guest

      Well said Sir, that was awesome.

      • Maxtrue

        They were both good air craft. I did follow the competition and you are right about the info swapping. In your professional opinion, how hard would it be to improve the F-22 and wouldn’t a B model mean pretty much a whole new rum and facilities? Has nothing improved on the maintenance front and stealth coverings?

        Reply here is to Mark

  • superraptor

    well, if we continue to spend up to 400 billion dollars on the already obsolete F-35, we won’t have the funds to make the necessary investments. Therefore, the anti-F-35 debate has some value.

  • moryphius

    f-35………. obsolete?
    you must be privy too classied info……..let me guess,you just got off work from lock/martin
    and you are also a chief engineer on the project.

    • ano8

      superraptor belongs to ELP clan

  • Carol

    We civilians are scared of our own men and woman in the military, because of the rumors you guys and gals are going to nuke your own people. My question is what do all those who wish us harm, going to do when the elite turn on you after you’ve killed us ?

  • DI BO CHET B/1/9

    I find it odd that this plane is almost identicle to ours. Are we sharing techknowledge with the chi coms? Direct, misdirect??

  • Carol

    Well I can only suppose the silence is a confirmation to my fears.
    Thank you all.
    May God Bless and keep you well.

    • Wes

      Oh come on, Carol. Everyone in the military has Family who would also be killed if they were told to “nuke their own people”. I just hope you are only trolling, and aren’t actually gullible enought to believe that shite.

    • What on Earth are you talking about?

  • Jay

    Yes, more F22s would be nice. More Japanese F22s, based in Japan – where they can deter aggression and actually reach into China and do some damage if needed. Japan wanted to buy the F22 in large numbers to be their primary fighter, but Obama &Gates nixed that idea.

    The US should be building advanced offensive weapons like the X47B, long range fast cruise missiles and PGS systems that fit in the existing navy VLS. Also ASAT and network warfare systems. We should be able to hack the PLA network, blind their satelites, and bomb their airbases without needing a boot on the ground or a carrier within 900nm. When they counter attack let the locals shoot down their jets. We have bigger fish to fry.

    We should let Japan, Taiwan, and Korea buy and fly defensive fighters while we develop platforms and capabilities that will seriously degrade China’s ability to make war.

    • Wes

      Yes, Japan and Australia should be allowed to buy F22s. Taiwan too, just to twist China’s tail!

      • msnmars

        It is politics. If selling F22 to Taiwan, can it survive safely to receive those jets? Now, US does not have enough money to do this. You can imagine, but it will still be a dream.

  • Han Solo

    Lets just wait until they are done and then buy some ourselves.

    We buy everything else from China why not?

    I bet they are cheap, we could probably get Walmart to import them for us.

  • Kurt

    Carol, where the heck did you get the idea that our military is going to kill civilians with nukes or anything for that matter? That is liberal lies to breed fear and make the US Military & Vets “BAD GUYS”. To make it easy, we are sworn to protect our own, the constitution, and other ideology…Wow, that is a wild one? I recommend you really take a good look at who you will vote for in 2012 in hopes for smaller government powers and to take back to our rights as a free country that we were founded under. It’s not your military that you need to be concerned about…Just read above about foreign countries getting their hand on Tech that our Government controls.

  • DaveC

    Its one thing to make something stealthy. Its another to make it fly. Then another to make a maneuverable fighter out of it.

    Don’t be so easily impressed with the shape or look of something. It will take them some time to make a viable fighter out of it. And it shouldn’t surprise anyone to see it, just like the PAK FA. The appearance of these prototypes says one thing, that a stealth counterpart to the F-22 has been a top priority for both countries for some time. They would be fools to not have placed this high on the list.

  • crazyhorse

    if the politicians aren’t careful , this could lead to world war III !!!!!

  • Maxtrue
  • Exel 220

    Plus the U.S. has a steady budget for it’s military regardless of how flaky the economy is. It has it’s own black budget thanks to its support for illegal arms sales to political/extreme governments or groups so the U.S. can practically spend as much money as it wants because the next year there going to be getting more. Now to settle something, China believes the key to defeating the U.S. in the Pacific Rim is by initating counter-counter projection capabilities.

  • Exel 220

    So they can block the Carrier all they want but sooner or later they will find they’re way in. Next the F-22A is the supremelogical fighter of the 21st century and will continue to be for quite sometime. The Chinese have commenced an arms race of unfathomable proportions so the US must be prepared because if the ChiComs can make someting like this they sure as hell will be make it able to fly sooner or later. The question is just how stealthy? For now the U.S. will still be able to pull the stealth card in any forseeable conventional war within the next 20 and if lucky enough 50 years but remember these two quotes…

    “The supreme weapons of today, are extinct and obsolete by tommorow” -Unknown
    “I don’t know what World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones” -Albert Einstein

  • Exel 220

    BTW I don’t believe in nationalism or anything of that sort.

  • asdf

    and i seriously doubt there will be any war in the near future, esp. against the taiwan (due to the us backing).
    and please don’t give me the we thought the same at the end of the great war…
    that was before countries possessed the button to effectively delete the adversary from the map… (MAD).

    or is china the new soviet union and the military is using them as an “excuse” to buy buy buy?

    • asdfggghhj

      look at what happened to Georgia?

      • asdf

        didn’t they start the mess?

  • Justin H

    I wonder if this thing has 3D thrust vectoring.

  • tperk1

    Exactly! all it is is Disinformation their feeding us! But whose feeding it to us. i especially like how the pictures are taken from the bushes in Communist China. I wonder how come nobody ever got a picture of our stealth’s at Area-51 (from the bush’s) in the land of the free?

  • STemplar

    Uhhh because within our lifetimes they machine gunned students asking for basic freedoms we cherish, they block words like freedom in search engines, and they threw a woman into a labor camp for a year for forwarding a sarcastic critical tweet about the government. Those 3 off the top of my head why l want China to be properly deterred.

  • Justin H

    We just want to stay #1 whats so wrong with that?!

  • Taki O

    > At first they claimed it was a PS when the pictures were blurry.
    >Then they claimed it was a good PS when more and clearer photos came out.
    >Then they resorted to calling it a mockup when even more photos came out with different angles.
    >Finally they grudgingly admitted it was the real deal, BUT somehow it is a copy of of the Mig 1.44/F-22/F-35 and/or that it is deficient in any multitude of ways.

    I’m sure the Chinese will go away if we bury our heads in the sand. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of Chinese military modernization would of seen this coming. I have been screaming for years that America MUST sell the F-22 to Japan because the Chinese are FAR more advanced than you realized. Now it finally happened. Be grateful it wasn’t in a middle of a war when you found out about Chinese capabilities.

    Sun Tse’s maxim: KNOW YOUR ENEMY.

  • Vitor

    Scary how people here seems to love the idea of going to war. War is a waste of resource and lifes, people should be glad that China is strong enough to make neo-cons think twice about sending american citizens to die.

  • Eddie

    Pictures and actual performance are two different things. The Chinese have also proven they cant build old technology airplanes in any numbers capable of replacing even a fraction of their 1960’s era aircraft. They will build a few of these for show and the US will respond wwith building more F-22’s and start actively working on the next generation fighter

  • rebussss

    Another theory.
    The Chinese build a mock-up, then allow “secret” photos to leak onto the web and the West goes apeshit.
    FUD, pure and simple.