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Wanted: Spooks to Lead Libyan Rabble

Coming on the heels of administration leaks that the CIA’s special activities division operators (maybe even sheep-dipped CAG kickers) have been spooled up to go put some kind of cerebral guidance system on the herd of cats that is the fighting arm of the Libyan “Transitional National Council,” we saw this report from a tres ballsy Orla Guerin of the BBC from the front lines.

Holy-quagmire Batman! Are we seriously hitching our Arab Spring wagon to these bozos? I bet there are a lot of unanswered phone calls to the SAD types who’re giving this one look and saying, “Sorry, I’m gonna sit this one out…” Stand by for a “Plan B” in which Langley calls Blackwater/Xe for some outside help. Would you want to go lead a group of fighters who don’t know which end of an RPG-7 to point at the bad guy?

One things for sure: By the look of these guys’ tactical acumen and organizational skills, I think it’s safe to say this is one group al Qaeda is not involved with.

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Wild Bill March 31, 2011 at 1:14 pm

Looks like Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome.

Interesting that at the very end she called them pro democracy fighters. Ha just like the Contra fighters. I wonder if they refer to themselves like that.

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ziv March 31, 2011 at 3:04 pm

She may have been spouting the company line there, but somehow I think she would be a better leader than any of the guys with the weapons. And the funny thing is, I think the guy she was interviewing knew it. Watch it again. He knew he and his colleagues were behaving like… Well, they didn't behave like disciplined soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.

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@Earlydawn March 31, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Death is the best teacher.

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Valentina March 31, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Thank God that intellectuals survive in USA!

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Valentina March 31, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Are you replying the Salvador Alliende's method ? out of the resolution ONU of course…
Removing onu…i firm a petition for …total inutil

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@Earlydawn March 31, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Your posts are unintelligible garbage.

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Feral Jundi March 31, 2011 at 2:18 pm

The best solution is to stay out of this all together. It is a waste of money, resources, and blood (eventually someone will get killed in this mess-unfortunately). The rebels will do just fine, and they will adapt to the same tactics and strategies that guerrillas/insurgents have used in the history of war. It worked for Mao, it worked for the Vietnamese, and it is working for Al Qaeda and the Taliban against the most modern military machine and richest government in the world.
Matter of fact, if we want to help these rebels out, air drop a bunch of Mao Tse-tung 'On Guerrilla War' books, and let the rebels figure out their own plan and future. That operation would cost a couple of thousand dollars, and would give the rebels a hint that they are on their own-so figure it out.

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chaos0xomega March 31, 2011 at 7:32 pm

The problem with that is that Libya doesn't have very suitable terrain for an effective Guerilla war. Its flat desert, largely uninhabited. The only places that the rebels can hide effectively are the cities, the problem with that is that Ghaddafi's method of dealing with it is to bomb/shell the cities with no regard for civilian casualties, hence why we are there in the first place.

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Ripberger March 31, 2011 at 3:48 pm

The rebels need a modern-day Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben to train them. I hear former General Stanley McCrystal needs a job.

The problem with revolutions is that once it is over, then what? What happens after Gadfaffi is gone? Do the rebels have a plan or a constitution of government? Or is Libya going to turn into another Somalia? France in 1793? Revolutions may succeed in the short-term, but few have been successful in the long-term.

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Zap March 31, 2011 at 11:45 pm

they will invite a "intonational stabilisation force " (ie. NATO ) intto Libya to help them with security and cough cough elections .
and within 2 weeks the caretaker government , with the backing of NATO , will have spent the $50 billion Libyan sovereign wealth fund ,that has been seized in the US and europe , and spent on western companies to rebuild shit they have been bombing for the last month and everything else they don't need .

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Prodozul March 31, 2011 at 4:11 pm

Wouldn't that make him a martyr?

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STemplar March 31, 2011 at 4:12 pm

Nah, he's a thug, not a jihadist.

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blight April 1, 2011 at 11:19 am

He's not the most devout Muslim in the world. He cavorts too much with the west.

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STemplar March 31, 2011 at 4:15 pm

Supposedly a statement of principles was made that was referred to as very good, particularly for the region. Those details like all others in this are sparse.

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citanon March 31, 2011 at 4:44 pm

Libya is not going to turn into Somalia. I don't know where this BS notion comes from. It seems "quagmire" is now the safe word in intelligence and political circles. As an analyst you'll never be blamed for screaming "confused", "don't know", and "uncertain", but of course this "wisdom" is really just useful for hind quarter protection.

Meanwhile Western journalist can stay perfectly safe in rebel ranks and in rebel cities. They are not getting kidnapped by anyone and their heads are staying firmly on their shoulders. Benghazi is apparently very well run, and there is not a hint of death the the USA sentiment anywhere.

These guys can probably run a country just fine because the people there are reasonably honest and upstanding and they genuinely want democracy. It's the war that they have no idea how to fight. Not because they are not brave. Not because they don't have spirit. Not because they are cowards or morons, but because most of them have no military training what so ever. None. Zilch.

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Ripberger March 31, 2011 at 6:57 pm

Perhaps Somalia was a terrible analogy on my part. The thing is that revolutions can spin out of control even with the best of intentions. No one knows where they will lead. The Color Revolutions have had mixed results and it will be a long time (years maybe) before we can truly understand if the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia will turn out for the better. I honestly need more information about the rebels and their vision for Libya before I can feel more comfortable. Ghadaffi does need to go, but I would like know what kind of government will replace him. The last thing anyone wants is to give aid to a government that may have connections with Al-Qaeda or go rogue like Iran.

The rebels want "freedom" and they want Ghadaffi gone. But after Ghadaffi is gone, how will they achieve this "freedom?" What is their vision of "freedom" and a government that nurtures and protects that "freedom?" So many questions and yet no clear answers.

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Sev March 31, 2011 at 11:16 pm

ISLAM IS THE ANSWER! You'll see signs like that one's Gadaffi is ousted. And there will be infighting among the rebels and a civil war. OOne I hope we stay out f, save for preventing alqaeda from taking advantage

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@Cr4shDummy March 31, 2011 at 8:35 pm

I concur. Since we already have the spec ops guys on the ground, the only problem now is infiltration into Tripoli (to keep collateral damage at a minimum) and acquiring the right targets.

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@Cr4shDummy March 31, 2011 at 8:41 pm

I guess the NYT ended the speculation on what teams are on the ground in Libya. Of course they would report it…

Although, I didn't see the part where they were sending Delta in. Plus, it doesn't make sense unless we wanted to grab an HVT. If that were the case, we would just outsource it to the SAS/SBS. Delta has their hands full in Afpak. Moreover, guys from the 10th Special Forces Group and SEAL elements are definitely feasible.

So is hiring mercs, but I think that would only be at last resort and with the rebels consent given the fact that they've shown immense disdain for mercs.

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Iftikar Chaudry April 1, 2011 at 2:22 am

Send in Raymond Davis!

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Riceball April 1, 2011 at 11:00 am

This pretty much confirms what I thought, the rebels have plenty of enthusiasm but don't have enough training and discipline. I figured as much after constantly hearing in the news how the rebels go out and a capture some ground but then get rapidly pushed back. My guess is that Khadaffi's forces are using the age old tactic of deliberately falling back and feigning retreat to lure the rebels into a well planned ambush.

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Lance April 1, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Mabie this another proof that supporting Al Queda back rebels is a BAD IDEA!

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robert April 2, 2011 at 3:40 am

contras were better trained. than that,i was there on the ground,in honduras,1983 copan region,south east,they were snake eaters,not to be messed with,these libyans,lack proper training

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blight April 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm

Would I be surprised if they had a tendency to kill the wrong people too? Our policy in Latin America was a total mess, and is probably responsible for the steady northwards diaspora of people.

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bullwinkle April 2, 2011 at 9:13 am

Wild Bill said, "Looks like Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome."

More like The Road Warrior, with Kaddhafi as The Humungous, Lord of the Wasteland, and Ayotollah of Rock-and-Rollah. Just not as buff . . .

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 4:35 pm

no problem i wait for moderation … patience is the virtue of the strong

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 4:56 pm

Meanwhile, a curiosity about the Saudi King (have you censored my post?)

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toson_d%27Oro

the argonauti and this sort of freemasonry have nothing in common

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blight April 4, 2011 at 5:27 pm

What does the Order of the Golden Fleece have to do with the Saudis?

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 5:47 pm

La sovranità dell'ordine passò poi ai capi di stato spagnoli durante il periodo repubblicano (1931-39) e quello franchista (1939-1975), sino a giungere all'attuale Re Juan Carlos.
[modifica] Attuali membri dell'Ordine
Juan Carlos I di Spagna (n. 1938)
Carlo Maria di Borbone-Due Sicilie, Duca di Calabria (n. 1938)
Costantino II di Grecia (n. 1940)
Filippo, principe delle Asturie (n. 1968)
Carlo XVI Gustavo di Svezia (n. 1946)
Giovanni di Lussemburgo (n 1921)
Akihito, imperatore del Giappone (n. 1933)
Beatrice dei Paesi Bassi (n. 1938)
Margherita II di Danimarca (n. 1940)
Elisabetta II del Regno Unito (n. 1926)
Alberto II del Belgio (n. 1934)
Harald V di Norvegia (n. 1937)
Simeone II di Bulgaria (n. 1937)
Bhumibol Adulyadej, Re di Thailandia (n. 1927)
Enrico di Lussemburgo (n. 1955)
Adolfo Suárez González (n. 1932)
Abd Allah dell'Arabia Saudita (n. 1924)
Javier Solana (n. 1942)
Víctor García de la Concha (n. 1934)

freemason's Brother

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blight April 4, 2011 at 5:54 pm

By the hard-line interpretation of Islam, Freemasons are probably as evil as Hollywood. I don't see the Saudis having any truck with it.

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 6:03 pm

my first post is censured..patience

Valentina April 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm

Costantino isn't Greece (Hannover-Spain)

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blight April 4, 2011 at 6:00 pm

Order of the Golden Fleece probably also has very little to do with Freemasonry in general. Hopefully this does not escalate to Bilderberg Group, Antarctic Nazis, Illuminati, Majestic Twelve, New World Order, and Underground Alien Cities?

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 6:07 pm

ahahah

skill and bones

Valentina April 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Antartic Nazis,Majestic Twelve, Undergrnd Alien Cities…i search in Wiki

ahahha

Valentina April 4, 2011 at 5:01 pm

Quest'ultimo era il motto personale del duca Filippo di Borgogna del quale non si hanno notizie storiche sul perché abbia prescelto il vello della tradizione greca. Secondo alcune interpretazioni esso sarebbe semplicemente un segno della ricchezza apportata dal commercio della lana nelle Fiandre[1] o la visione del viaggio degli Argonauti in oriente come in parallelo la conduzione di una crociata contro i turchi (personificando quindi Giasone col duca Filippo).
completely insane … woole trade in Fiandre .. Turkish…into delirium

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 5:11 pm

in Sardinia we know very well ilienses (iolao-Eracle) they are part of our History…

LOL freemasonry

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Robert A. Fritts April 4, 2011 at 5:31 pm

Many are already on the ground. 10th SFG to provide Comms support(?), Because thats what SFGs do, Comms Support(?) France24 reports 450-500 Amricans in country. All are wearing Converse sneakers so that the POTUS can can continue to state "No Boots on the Ground".

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Valentina April 4, 2011 at 5:38 pm

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordine_al_merito_del…
Sorry, but Italy is a foreign country for us and so I will express opinion..

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