China’s Aircraft Carrier Powering Up

Well, this is certainly noteworthy. These images clearly show the lights on aboard China’s first aircraft carrier, the Shi Lang (ex Soviet Varyag). Remember a few months ago when we saw pictures of exhaust coming from the ship’s stack? How about when those weapons started appearing on board? Then we saw how scaffolding and other construction gear were being removed from the ship. This is just one more sign of how close the refurbished ship is to putting to sea. (Many estimates have put its maiden voyage as happening sometime this year.)

Also note how the mid-ship jet blast deflector is in the up position in these photos.

Via China Defense Blog.

  • CHINA needs to BUY NEW SHIPS FROM US….THE U.S.A Instead of old junk from the soviets!!!!

  • @ mary the soviets have steller stuff if they had the technology to better it it would be the bomb

  • Matt M

    Fuck no. China must be stopped.

  • Orion

    Damn.. We (westerners mostly US) are playing Chess, China is playing Go… Interesting times

  • STemplar

    Sounds like a good opportunity to have a VA class pay it a visit on its maiden voyage and ‘wave’ hello……

    • Praetorian

      Or Seawolf class

  • josh

    I don’t see what the big deal is about china having a p.o.s of a ship, yeah the building of military equipment of communists should be monitored but we shouldn’t freak out, we build ships, tanks, planes, guns etc everyday.

    • John Moore

      How about the fact its all aimed at taiwan and we have an obligaiton to protect Taiwan that is if our world is still to be believed once it happens,

      • Praetorian

        Lets not forget all the amphibious ships they are building, and their new found intrest in MRAP’s, and American denial weapons ( DF-21D, which does not exist yet ). Id say the invasion of Taiwan is inevitable.

        • An invasion of Taiwan is not inevitable. The Chinese have offered semi-autonomy á la Hong Kong (“two systems, one nation”) to Taiwan.

          The Taiwanese have themselves shown political interest in re-uniting, leading political parties and politicians have advocated talks.

          There’s even growing interest in China for Taiwanese culture and Traditional Chinese [language]. Never mind the huge amount of trade and cross-investment!

          • STemplar

            I’m not sure 95%ish voting in the 2008 referendum for independence qualifies as showing political interest in reunification. The Taiwanese government is playing the US and China off each other to hold out for the best deal, those referendum numbers pretty clearly show the average Taiwanese has no interest in being part of China.

          • I’m not saying there’s huge interest, just that it’s not unlikely. Given time and trade links there will be no point to remaining independent. The advantages will be too significant to ignore. Let say in another 20-50 years time.

      • john

        USA protecting Taiwan is like China protecting Hawaii if General Robert E. Lee were to moved there and set up a military style dictatorship after the civil war is over. Cheng Kai Cheick lost the civil war to Mao Tse Tung, Taiwan is China territory and its a renegade state they have every right to take it, USA should mind their own business.

        • Prodozul

          Robert E Lee died in 1870 28 years before the overthrow of the Queen. If you’re asuming Taiwan has some sort of Dictatorship run government I have never heard of such a thing.

          • blight

            Taiwan under KMT was a one party gig for quite some time…

      • blight

        What obligation? Nixon (R-CA) threw Taiwan under the bus, playing the end-game by dividing China against the Soviets. Maybe he appeased China by burning South Vietnam at Paris.

    • Shinningarmor1

      and their parts are made in China.

    • Cha

      “We build ships, tanks, planes guns,etc,etc” with borrowed money from places like China the great. And sometimes I wonder who the “we” really are, if not the big corporations with all the resultant effect on the majority of docile / gullible Americans.

  • Hamid

    this is important for CHina, especially wen it will come to beating the shit out of USA n India. N it’s evn better dat they r buying the ships from russia instead of USA.

    • STemplar

      Troll

  • Forrest Cantrell

    Time to get used to it: unless China’s economy implodes, they will be fielding a powerful blue-water navy, complete with much more modern carriers than the Shi Lang, by the middle of the century. And the U.S.’s most capable warships will be submarines fully capable of handling any Chinese naval threat. And if no one loses their heads, we can still both safely co-exist.

    • The Chinese have already turned their sights inward, their economy is focused on domestic growth and consumption. They’re not taking any chances on economic instability outside of China. It’s highly likely their economy will function well.

      That being said historically China has never been fond of foreign conquests outside of its own neighborhood. They have more than enough to deal with in Tibet, Russia, Korea, Japan and Taiwan.

      • saberhagen

        “China has never been fond of foreign conquests outside of its own neighborhood” thats merely because of technological and ideological limits in the past. Neighborhood is a relative term you know. One may say the whole world is neighborhood.

        • I’m talking about actual history and cultural values here.

          The Chinese fleet travelled as far as Africa a few centuries ago. They could have invaded and occupied a whole lot of places along their route, but at the time their culture saw no value in such foreign lands.

          The whole point of that fleet was to bring glory to the Emperor. After that giant fleet returned they burned the ships, closed the ship building yards and forbid travel for a long time. The British and French forced them to open their ports.

          I believe the Chinese will only fight to keep their territory, including disputed islands and such, to ensure their security (see Russia, Japan, India and possibly North Korea), and to secure their access to vital resources such as oil, gas and materials.

          It’s quite obvious that the latter will likely force them to use force at one point or another. Despite their extensive agreements with African and Latin American resource rich countries, they may have to back up their claims with troops on the ground.

          China had the manpower and technology to conquer their neighbours centuries ago. They invented gun powder. Despite that they have been the subject of invasions, not the other way around. Russia has stolen land from them several times. Japan has been repelled countless times. India lost the last conflict.

          I find it interesting that you claim they needed another ideology to become outwardly aggressive. The African resource “grab” is certainly one form of aggression motivated by continued economic expansion (capitalist). However it doesn’t have an adverse effect on their international relations. If their goal is stable economic growth, how does disrupting international trade serve them?

      • Jay

        What do you base this on?

        Their economy is focused on capital growth, not consumption. They are stuck buying our bonds to keep their currency stable, and even they they are having increasing consumer inflation. Define “function well” for us please.

        “They” might not be taking chances with their economy, but China is not a monolith. The PLA has interests as well, one of which is challenging us and expanding their sphere of influence, and grabbing Taiwan if possible.

        • blight

          Then it sounds like that PLA hardliners may attempt to wrest control of the country in a different direction from its free-marketeers. The Russians had similar experiences in the post-USSR turmoil.

  • Lance

    Don’t worry too much there carrier is still NOT active the Indians are beating the Chinese in carrier numbers. they don’t even have planes for it yet yes there looking at both Russian and domestic SU-33 but no buys yet.

    Let China collapse by itself or have India nuke it.

    • TLAM Strike

      A Sino-Indian nuclear war would be an interesting form of population control. I wonder how many bombs per day would be necessary to at minimum result in zero population growth in the two most populous countries in the world.

      Reminds me of an Ian Douglass book I read once where a US Marine in Siberia muses that the US and Russians kill 10,000 of them a day and China’s birthrate still makes up for the losses.

      • Hale

        Well China’s population only increased by something like 0.5% last year, and is expected to start to fall in the coming decade. India will be the most populous nation in the world soon, probably around 2020.

        So yeah, One-Child works. If nothing changes, China will probably get old before they get rich or powerful, just like Japan.

    • john

      You must have forgotten the 1962 Sino – Indian war. Indian would never ever fight the Chinese on their own. Please do a little reasearch before opening your foul mouth. LOL!!

    • Sanity

      I don’t know about this Lance idiot.So fast he wants to nuke
      China.He must have a deep hatre for China or something that makes his twisted mind to come to this conclusion.Stupid fool who does not know the consequences of a nuclear war to open his foul mouth to nuke this and that.Must be thinking from his ass.

  • timmer

    No big deal they are still decades behing, they still have to figure out how to use it and also they need a few more to even be a threat.

    • If they *just* attack and retake Taiwan it will be a real threat to the US and the whole world. The impact would seriously hurt the US/World economy, the Chinese economy would survive it easily.

      The Chinese are not interested in conquering the US, it will do plenty to dominate Asia physically, they already have a huge economic foot everywhere else. It will not take them a decade to “become” a threat.

  • Joe America

    Let them build it and feel good about themselves. In a war this ship would be lucky to last all but 5 minutes with all hands lost.

    Davy Jones would welcome them.

    • Howe

      I agree, but unfortunately, the same is true with US carriers.

  • citanon

    Cue Return of the Empire music.

  • OMEGATALON

    China will now reverse engineer this aircraft carrier with information from Wikileaks and other internet sources concerning the US Nimitz class carrier to develop their own aircraft carrier and the engineering effort like their J-20 stealth fighter will be funded by US tax-dollars that the US needs to pay for the US Debt we’ve accumulated; this aircraft carrier is a training tool like the Russian fighter jets that China has bought and matched with world-class massively parallel processing supercomputers as well as an almost unlimited financial funding, China could have a Nimitz or Ford class carrier in 10-15 years (because you still need the skilled manpower to build something this massive).

  • WHAT

    Paid for (indirectly) by American Taxpayer’s Dollars.

  • William C.

    Now maybe those fools in Congress will stop trying to cut OUR carriers and aircraft for them!

    • Hooah

      Now you’re the fool! US carriers must be cut now to save money! Cut carriers now, so US won’t cut carriers in the future! The cost savings will be used to save for more carriers in the future!

    • John

      The USA have 10 Aircraft Carrier and China is tryin to put a Carrier built 20years ago into service and USA is crying foul. WOW!! what a double standards society America lives in. Please tell me how many country have the great USA is invading the last five years?

      • Prodozul

        Nobody is crying foul buddy.

      • STemplar

        Troll, set phasers to ban.

      • jhm

        China has two more planned and have already chosen a build site… the problem is that while the chinese only have to operate in teh asian theater mostly, teh US has to operate world wide, with our “great and loyal allies’ making fun of us and pointing fingers at our military while downscaling theirs, go figure, but your rt, 1 carrier whoopee. plus, hehe with our ssns and plethora of harpoon carrying grimreapers, good luck in an unlikely war

  • chief789

    hey, lets not forget that when we fought in viet nam, we fought the chinese as well, also, we fought the chinese in korea as well. do we really want to help supply the chinese with our weapons, so they might use them against us if we might have to fight n. korea again. think about this

  • aSDF

    another country can’t have carriers? what idiots you are, deal with it. amerika is not the center of the universe.

  • lamar

    you people who say whats the big deal will be crying when there is a war with china and you loose your life or the life of a loved one, due to a war with china….wake up our country is in a bad state, with a gov with their head up their as

  • STemplar

    I think China needs to be deterred, but the threat represented by one crummy 20+ year old carrier is just a wee bit overblown. We always analyze this fictional as of yet US v China conflict as a one on one scenario. The fact is any likely conflict is going to draw in more than one nation. It’s prudent to plan to go it alone, hope for the best plan for the worse, but the reality is that is really unlikely. The majority of the conflict scenarios involve some kind of regional dispute escalating and that implies nation(s) aside the US involved. So from China’s perspective, they probably have to plan of facing multiple nations at once if they’re smart.

  • ogopogo

    The US shouldn’t be concerned about China about to enter into service its first carrier. It will only be used for engineering research and training so don’t wet your pants and skirts. Just try and think about the Chinese perspective. They have been invaded numerous times from the sea and have suffered MILLIONS of deaths as a result. Upgrading their naval capability to protect their coastline, offshore islands and merchant fleet is their priority, not trying to be a world policeman or toughguy bully that’s only brave as part of a coalition (AKA lapdog follower). So anyone with any sense of reason would not be alarmed by this development.

  • bigRick

    Well, the Chinese stuff can’t be that bad, the new SF/Oakland bay bridge is “made in China” :=
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/business/global

  • TheUNSucks

    I’d rather be allies with the Chinese than the Indians. They’re way to close of a friend to Russia. Last time I checked, they lost to china during the Sino-Indian war. China’s technology is getting better and they will have their j-20 operation by 2015. I can tell. They’re hiring the intellects in America who are looking for jobs. We’re also in some serious debt to China as well. Better to be friends as opposed to enemies. We can’t keep it up.

  • Sandra Hunter

    First USED JUNK AIRCRAFT CARRIER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • WizBe

      Some facts might help you. The Varyag was built with the target of the best US AC at its time. It was never “used” before the voiet union ended. It was sold to China with nothing but a steel shell. The Chinese basically made everything else such as the radar, engine and don’t forget thousands of miles of cable. Besides, the sistership to Varyag is the only AC that Russian is using today.

  • Flyinghawk

    Smart munnitions and railgun technology make ships of this class a target of opportunity. Nothing less.

    • blight

      It also means our flat tops are equally vulnerable the day someone else fields passable equivalents.

  • Colin EDwards

    The USA has 12 aircraft carriers, most European nations including Britain have one – the USA’s population is 300 million plus, Britain’s is 60 million. China’s population is 1.3 billion yet Western critics express concern over China’s motivation in wishing to defend themselves – western powers have absolutely no moral, military or political basis to make judgements about China’s motivations. The U.S. supplies Taiwan with fighter jets and conducts joint naval exercises in the South China Sea – this seems acceptable but strangely never makes the news in the west – if I remember when the Soviets sent merchant ships (not naval vessels) to Cuba they were met with the wrath of the USA in 1962. China should be congratulated on its military restraint than be accused of aggression.

  • Niko

    @TheUNSucks

    Sharp vision and wise choice. China is the strongest country in the world just right behind the US. India is worthless to mention because they are far behind and lagging in almost every aspects in terms of technology, economy and intelligence. Needless to say, they are spending their whole sum of money in military expenditures. Their people standard of living is miserable, suffering diseases, high unemployment rate, no proper transportation, not enough facilities, no equality to sex and etc.

  • xmilnav

    take it from a solder of war…..YOU BETTER BE gearing up for the end….o its comming.. all you dumbass people of the world zoned out in your i-pod-pad,ex,ex…only advice i have for u late in this stage…dig, dig now,also a 1000 rounds per weapon in household…food,water….fire…..see ya in hell

  • kenneth Wade Wilson

    Nostradamus predicted the next antichrist due about now will be Chinese.