Pic of the Day: China’s Z-10 Attack Helo

Happy hump day, everyone. Check out this close up photo of China’s Z-10 attack helicopter. Remember, the Z-10 — like the brand new Z-19 — looks familiar because it’s based on the Eurocopter Dauphin light cargo chopper. You know, the same helo the U.S. Coast Guard uses for search and rescue and even combat air patrols over Washington, DC.

Notice what may be advanced flight helmets that project flight and targeting data onto the pilots’ visors. Kinda like these.

  • Riceball

    Cue the slew of, this thing sucks because it’s made in China/by the Chinese in 5 … 4 … 3 … 3 … 1 …

    • Logan Hartke

      Yeah, I have to agree. A lot the equipment China manufactures are copies, but this isn’t one of them. Be aware of China’s faults, but at the same time give credit where it is due. It was designed with the assistance of Eurocopter and Agusta Westland, but this is a Chinese product. It’s as much Chinese as the Rooivalk was South African, and we didn’t hear the same sort of rhetoric when it came out.

      • CoCowboy692000

        I can’t claim to know anything about this one, but it sure doesn’t look like it’s a challenge for say… our Blackhawks, or several others of our equipment – agree?

        • Juuso

          You do know that UH-60 is a utility helicopter?

        • Dan Gao

          Aside from the Apache and Russian helos, pretty much every modern attack helicopter (The Rooivalk, Tiger, and Mangusta) all have similar characteristics. If this takes cues from any of those designs, it certainly isn’t a blatant rip off like the J-11 is of the Flanker.

          • blight_

            The more important parts, as well are know are underneath the skin.

          • Dan Gao

            Could be. For all we know, it could be better than the Apache, or it could be a complete POS that falls apart when it fires it’s gun. All opinions here (mine included) are pure conjecture.

      • Dan Gao

        Riceball, looks like its already started.

      • Riceball

        Even if it was what does it matter? A copy will kill you just as dead as an original design and at the end of the day I’d rather have a good copy of a proven design over a crappy original design.

        • http://major.rod major.rod

          Riceball – true, but then shouldn’t we call it a Chinese copy of _____ than a “Chinese” helo?

          AKs are made all over the place. we mostly just call them AKs vs. the local nomenclature.

    • Jeff

      Yeah, but so are Taliban’s AKs: made in China.

    • chockblock

      Yeah, people said the same thing about the A6M in 1941…

  • Alex

    Similar design cues to the Eurocopter Tiger. If its similar in operation, then it will rarely fly.

  • Nied

    “Remember, the Z-10 — like the brand new Z-19 — looks familiar because it’s based on the Eurocopter Dauphin light cargo chopper.”

    Um, no. While the Z-19 is very clearly based on the Dauphin, the Z-10 doesn’t share any similarities to Eurocopter’s design. Most notably it has a traditional tail rotor rather than the Dauphin/Z-19’s fenestron rotor.

    • Vstress

      To be honest… the similarities (if it is as stated and the designers are smart enough), should lie in the lifed components. So anything likely to be replaced is a good start in being common. Engines and the control system for the engines, maybe flight controls too.

      It is like buying (I’m talking european cars here as I don’t live in the US) the Seat Leon or a VW Golf. Both cars look different, but have a LOT of things in common under the skin.

      Though some things are misleading sometimes… look at the Jetstream 31 and the Jetstream 41… aircraft I have come into contact with a while back. They were passed through under the premise that they would be “similar”, but ended up sharing nearly no common parts whatsoever!!

      • blight_

        Americans are familiar with the idea of rebadging cars.

  • Dan Gao

    I have to hand it to them, this is a nice looking bird, and so is the WZ-19.

    The black paint job makes it look pretty menacing/bad ass.

    • SFCRET

      Are you chinese by chance? OBAMA LOVER!

      • Dan Gao

        And I would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddling kids!

    • SFCRET

      you and david letterman and obama are all best friends are’nt you?

      • Dan Gao

        Oh yeah, you totally caught me.

        I have a poster of Mao in my bedroom and hammer and sickle bumber stickers. Every day I convene in our secret Commie bunker of doom to plan the destruction of America.

  • Cachoo

    The Tiger hasn’t worked out well at all for the Germans. I agree that if the problems present in the Tiger are present in this design, this helo will be hanger bound for much of its service life.

  • FormerDirtDart

    “Notice what may be advanced flight helmets that project flight and targeting data onto the pilots’ visors. Kinda like these.”

    They look a lot like your standard, nearly three decade old, Integrated Helmet And Display Sight System (IHADSS).

    • blight_

      Then they’ve joined the modern world when it comes to helmets.

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  • Black Owl

    Alright, whoever gave China the Eurocopter Tiger? Step forward now because you’re in a lot of trouble.

    • Uranium238

      I don’t think people on here really like the fact we are accusing China of copying better technology. Well that’s just tough s**t. Hey China, use your creativity rather than reverse engineering a Lavi to a J-10, Sukhois, MiGs and MiL helos; or did you kill off the creative ones?

      • Riceball

        So what if they’re copying other people’s designs? Their copies will kill just as dead as the originals that they’re copied from. Just look at things from their perspective, they’re trying to be a world power but they have decades of catch up to do and the quickest & cheapest to do so is to not re-invent the wheel and copy other people’s designs, whether or legally or illegally. Eventually they’ll catch up and start to work on their own designs but in the meanwhile they’re learning how to do so first.

        • Uranium238

          It’s called ingenuity and their lack of it. It has been demonstrated since the 1950s in weapons tech.

          • Black Owl

            Let me put it this way. Let’s say the Chinese acquire our best technology. Let’s say that by some circumstance an F-35 or F-22 was shot down over one of their allies and they get enough tech to catch up to us. What is in their mindset to do is immediately make copies of the technology. However, what they will not do is keep progressing/inventing technology and pass us. That is just not in their mindset and their system doesn’t even promote doing that.

            Also, about the copies killing you just the same as the originals, there a lot of drawbacks to copying technology. Copied technology has never fully stacked up against the originals because the people making the originals know the tech inside and out. The Chinese copied weapons don’t necessarily perform as well as their Russian originals. It is true though that they aren’t anything to laugh about since I imagine the difference would not be extremely drastic and numbers can compensate for these drawbacks. The only thing I laugh at with China is their lack of creativity.

          • tiger

            What do we have for American Ingenuity? Swamp People & Jersey Shore….

          • New Jersey

            The Jersey shore tv show, has nothing to do with new jersey culture. Ironically new jersey usually has one of the best education systems in the country.

          • blight_

            I was going to say Wright Brothers, one of the last “American” inventors who figured things out from first principles instead of blind persistence (cough cough Edison).

            In any case, American ingenuity eventually crushed the remotely detonated, non-command wire IED into the ground. Jamming a frequency-hopping cellular phone antenna in combination with radio com-det is no trivial feat, especially without jamming your own communications systems.

          • crackedlenses

            Blind persistence takes as much skill and a lot more guts than genius normally does…..

    • Juuso
  • Uranium238

    Black paint? Great! Should be easy to spot in the reticle of a Stinger in no time flat!

  • McPosterdoor

    Ha the smog’s so bad there’s basically no background in the photo.

    • blight_

      Fighting smog is what welfare states do.

      • elportonative77

        Or, what a good government that is concerned about public health does.

        • blight_

          Public health is welfare. Every dollar not spent on military weapons [and advancing the Soviet Union] is a dollar spent on burgeoise pursuits such as the pursuit of happiness.

    • EJ257

      The US have real clean air & water but look where our economy is at.

      • Tom

        With a per capita GDP five times that of China? It would still take many decades for China to catch up to the US on a per capita basis, and I think is real questionable as to whether that is even possible given that the main reason their economy has grown is low cost exports, and in order for their economy to grow, wages will have to go up, which makes their expoerts higher cost.

        • Dan Gao

          I’d rather have clean air and water and a crappy economy than the other way around…call me a Commie

          • blight_

            Or progressive instead of totalitarian.

          • https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001233585475 Matt Sturgeon

            Progressive = Totalitarian

            All leftists throughout history fashioned themselves as a “progressive”, a transgenerational, The One You Have Been Waiting For (TM).

            Indeed leftists, “liberals” “progressives” they share and even fight over the true meanings of the term and ownership of “progressive” but what can be confirmed is that there is nothing progressive about the leftist ideology which the parties carry as their mantra. An ideology I might add that is rooted in the failed economic models of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. An ideology which capitalist republican democracy has curb stomped back to the third world where it belongs.

          • crackedlenses

            You’re perfect actually; if you want it so badly you’ll come up with a way of getting it, government or no government…..

    • cozine

      You can’t find any insult that’s original and now you are attacking the BACKGROUND of the picture? Come on, have you ever used a long zoom lens before?

  • Guest

    Whats the advantage of having small windows on a realtively low flying chopper? – stealth?? Seriously…

    • Uranium238

      It seems that they don’t believe in situational awareness anymore.

      • d. kellogg

        Or might it be they prefer greater armor protection around the pilots?
        (That sensor turret under the nose literally looks just like any of those systems commercially available from companies like FLIR.Com or such.)

        I’m curious to see a top or bottom view and see how that chine/strake looks like it blends into the stub wings.

  • Lance

    Looks like a heavier copy of the Eurocopter Tiger Light Attack helicopter. Easy meat for a F-15 or F-22 ;)

    • Will

      The Tiger has a max weight of about 6 tons, putting it into the medium weight class, not light. All helos have similar advantages & disadvantages when up against fast movers. The AH-1 & AH-64 series are just as vulnerable to Su-27, Su-30, J-10 & J-11.

    • Juuso

      Why are you comparing Helicopter and fighters jets?

      • Uranium238

        No he’s just saying it will be easier to shoot down for 5th gens! =D

        • Riceball

          Like any helo is even remotely a match for any modern fighter?

          • http://major.rod major.rod

            You have to consider the source.

  • Robert Fritts

    Actually the profile, landing gear location, cannon and sight/laser assembly all look very similar to the new upgraded Mangusta A-129.

  • The Big Yak

    But can it shoot down Eric Stoller’s helicopter like in the movie Firebirds?

  • dtjump

    Hanger Queen

  • Kotch

    Knock it all you want…. that thing looks hot

    • Dan Gao

      Based on…secret insider information?

      • Dan Gao

        WTF? That wasn’t supposed to be in response to Kotch.

  • STemplar

    This should keep those Uyghurs and Tibetans in line from their freedom wanting ways!!

  • blight_

    Trying to figure out what all the painted marks are. Pluses and anchors?

    • FormerDirtDart

      Pluses look like APU connection points, and anchors step points
      bigger pic: http://goo.gl/Tjfim

    • Craig

      Strngely enough, where I come from (USMC), the little anchor symbols denote anchor points. Where you tie it to the ground. The little plusses are actually the standard symbol for fuel. Those are the refueling points. You can even see the gas cap in the big picture provided by FormerDirtDart. The little square with legs on it is a jacking point.

    • blight_

      Both of you; thanks for the info.

  • Infidel4LIFE

    Where did they steal the specs? From who? Thats the Chi-com way. All those neat Apple toys are made by slave labor, they work the ppl to death. F*ck Apple, and Steve Jobs eff you too. Wherever ur “soul” is. Wat a J.O.

    • SFCRET

      Thats right and i hope no one votes for that obama again or he will give it all to them and weaken our military. IMPEACH OBAMA!

  • Black Owl

    Look at it this way. Let’s say the Chinese acquire our best technology. Let’s say that by some circumstance an F-35 or F-22 was shot down over one of their allies and they get enough tech to catch up to us. What is in their mindset to do is immediately make copies of the technology. However, what they will not do is keep progressing/inventing technology and pass us. That is just not in their mindset and their system doesn’t even promote doing that.

    Also, there a lot of drawbacks to copying technology. Copied technology has never fully stacked up against the originals because the people making the originals know the tech inside and out. The Chinese copied weapons don’t necessarily perform as well as their Russian originals. It is true though that they aren’t anything to laugh about since I imagine the difference would not be extremely drastic and numbers can compensate for these drawbacks. The only thing I laugh at with China is their lack of creativity.

  • Bob

    Actually the Chinese copies sometimes improve on the originals e.g. several versions of their RPGs are preferred over the Russian originals because of the lighter weight and they also concentrated on making more anti-personnel warheads.

    • SFCRET

      you are absolutely right. they have been preparing for another war with us since the korean war. i hope it never happens. that will be the end of the world.

    • Riceball

      And the Chinese copy of the MiG-21, the J-7, is actually quite popular too being in active use with a dozen or so nations although most are likely in the process of being retired now. Back in its heyday the J-7, or F-7 for the export market, was widely used by all number of 3rd world air forces although it wasn’t as widely used as the MiG-21 was.

      Another example of copies being better than originals are AKs and SKSs, although both were originally designed in Russia licensed copies from Yugoslavia, Romania, and I think Czechoslovakia are generally considered to be better than the Russian originals.

  • Elijah

    Let’s hope that someday China will copy something they will regret.

    • Skyepapa

      like open market capitalism? that one is going to catch up to the Party.

      • crackedlenses

        I was thinking of the F-35 actually; but while we’re at it, who would pick to run the market, corrupt corporate execs or corrupt beaurecrats?…..

  • tribulationtime

    My crystal ball say me…..aerodinamics/center of gravity is largely based on Ka-50. Forward shape is “cool look” no real RCS reduction. Helmets if they work are from Israel. IFF, FLIR and cannon turret are mock up. So Why they build it? They are trying fly a Hokum without a complex rotor hub.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1850363295 Robert A. Fritts

    Paid for with interest from US Treasury notes and fire sales of plastic crap from Walmart and Target.

    • blight_

      Bear in mind that the winner in those arrangements between Walmart and random chinese manufacturer is usually walmart. Chinese manufacturer usually only makes money on high volume, whereas Walmart pockets the markup after paying shipping.

      If Walmart pays the Chinese supplier X, it is usually charging Y to the consumer. At the beginning Y is ten or twenty percent more than X to pay for the cost of shipping, distribution, wages with a little left over. But every year X shrinks while Y increases.

      • http://major.rod major.rod

        Huh! Wal Mart is paying less to it’s Chinese supplier? Where did that come from? Prices are going up for Chinese products not down.

        • blight_

          Wages are going up on the supplier’s end, while in a free market system Walmart et. al will traditionally attempt to haggle the price downwards, leading to corresponding cuts in quality.

          The articles reporting on Apple and its relationship with Foxconn indicate Apple has been trying to bring the price it pays per unit down every year, even as wages increase. At some point, those manufacturers won’t be able to sustain their businesses.

  • chockblock

    And Big Army lets SHORAD wither and die…If the balloon goes up in the Pacific, Big Army will miss SLAMRAAM and Avenger.

    • blight_

      SLAMRAAM, Ground-launched Hellfire will be missed. Don’t know about Avenger. Maybe Linebacker? That and I wish they’d retrofitted something with longer range to a Bradley than Linebacker…and maybe we’d need ITV’s if we have to fight large amounts of enemy tanks.

  • Walter Smith

    I’ve read enough of some these post. and apparently some of you think that this is not a serious matter. I think by under estimating the Chinese is an exercise in stupidity. We under estimated the North Vietnamese’s resolve, and I’m sure you the idiots among us remember how that ended. Here we go again, giving the Chinese the rope they’re going to hang us with. I personally think this company should have faced even more draconian penalties.