GAO Buys Fake Submarine Parts From China

Remember how the Senate Armed Services Committee held a rather dramaitc hearing on the flood of counterfeit weapons parts coming from China a few months ago?

Well, as part of the committee’s investigation into the problem, lawmakers asked the Government Accountability Office to buy weapons parts from Chinese companies (that U.S. weapons companies sometimes buy from) to see if the Chinese government is doing anything to crack down on the massive problem. A shadow company set up by GAO to buy the parts specifically requested brand new parts for F-15 Eagles, MV-22 Ospreys and two nuclear submarines. What did they get? You guessed it, fake parts from China!

How massive is the problem? Over one million fake weapons parts have been identified as coming from Chinese companies since 2009. You don’t have to be ¬†genius to see the safety nightmare presented by fake parts on incredibly complex systems like submarines, fighter jets and tiltrotors.

From the sounds of it, Beijing has yet to act.

Here’s what a new¬†Reuters article has to say:

U.S. government investigators, using a fictitious company, were able to easily find electronic parts for weapons from China on the Internet and every single item they bought was counterfeit, despite China’s pledge to crack down on fake products.

A new report by the congressional Government Accountability Office showed that 334 of 396 vendors who offered to sell parts to the fictitious company were from China.

It said all 16 parts eventually purchased by the fake company came from 13 China-based vendors and all were determined by an independent testing laboratory to be counterfeit.

“These findings should outrage every American,” said Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee, calling the new report “deeply troubling.”

“The Chinese government’s refusal to shut down counterfeiting that occurs openly in their country puts our national security and the safety of our military men and women at risk. It also costs thousands of American jobs.

Click here to read more about this serious problem.

  • Big-Rick

    The Chinese are NOT are friends, in fact they are closer to being enemies then they are friends. Actions are much louder then words.
    -friends do not actively pursue technologies and methods and how to target our carriers
    -friends do not harass our ships in international waters
    -friends do not attempt to take down our military planes (P-3)
    -friends do not claim vast areas of the ocean as their sovereign territory (South China Sea).
    -friends do not lay claim to islands that are actually closer to other countries then theirs (Spratney islands)
    -friends do not actively attempt to destroy another friends economy
    -finally, friends don’t actively attempt to destroy another friends defense by flooding the market with fake military spare parts

    We need to cut ALL trade with China right now!

  • Bill

    Hey, here’s a novel idea – Have unscheduled visits to Chinese production facilities with random product sampling… they can’t pull authentic products out of their ass.

    Problem solved.

    It’s both infuriating and embarrassing that we continue to do business with Chinese suppliers when they continue to pull shit like this. Might as well tell the Pentagon that I can make a transmogrifier out of a cardboard box and a sharpie.

    • Col. Sanders

      You make transmogrifiers?? Real or counterfeit?

    • Nadnerbus

      Yes but do you have the continuum transfunctioner?

      • Thomas L. Nielsen

        Certainly, kind sir, certainly. And not only that, our continuum transfunctioner has the upgraded unobtainium/imaginesium heat sink to increase performance. Regrettably, it’s in maintenance right now, so I can’t show you….

        Regards & all,

        Thomas L. Nielsen
        Luxembourg

        • Twidget at large

          I got a nice surplus of flux capacitors, any bids?

    • Frank

      Wouldn’t matter. We wouldn’t be able to actually test the parts on site and they wouldn’t let us into the site that produce the fake parts. Sounds alot like the UN inspection of the Iranian Nuclear Facilities.

    • Mixture

      Why are we even buying military parts from China. It does not make sense unless the US companies are making a huge profit? This sounds more like treason to me
      Mixture

    • R L Baker

      Here is a better idea. Buy only from American manufactures, then take the people responsible for purchasing and using fake part and shoot them.

    • Retired Navy 2002

      That is because we have One World Order morons and lazy idiots with no work ethic in our government’s workforce. They want to see our military fail, as it is the last line of defense against a world without borders and nations without sovereignty. How else would you explain the fact that we keep self-inflicting this kind of pain on us? We have foxes in the henhouse, and we had better get rid of them quickly.

    • Jamie W.

      Won’t work. All they have to do is manufacture a few real ones at the inspected site for inspection purposes, then ship the cheap ones in from elsewhere and mix them in – fake the paperwork. Easy-peasey for a smart cheat. The ONLY way I know to do it would be to take the financial hit and require all manufacture to be on American soil, where American companies and executives could be held civilly and criminally liable for any wrongdoing.

  • Vaporhead

    It’s humorous that our Government would blame China for this. Our own government is to blame. These parts should be made here in the States so we can easily have oversight over the manufacturing process. If the government doesn’t like what China is doing, then they need to do it themselves. Period.

    What also frightens me is how may parts are on our aircraft or other weapons system that are fake and potentially dangerous? What is going to be done about that?

    • D’Orville

      Now now, we can’t be having big gubment forcing producers to build things. Privatization is the way to go, free market, etc. After all, everything should be built with the cheapest possible cost in mind, right? Damn the security, the free market has spoken!

    • JE McKellar

      What about the fake IT components? Fake drugs?

      In terms of national security, it was unconscionable to off-shore military production. But procurement isn’t really about national security, is it? It’s just a scheme to divert taxpayer money into private pockets. This corruption is the real threat to our nation, not some loudmouth in rural Yemen.

    • Frank

      I agree, but until the Congress can pass a bill that requires the US Goverment to buy only US made products with tax payers money then it will never happen, and most of the companies that sub-contact overseas are backers of Congress members elections

  • StrumPanzer

    I have a better Idea stop buying weapon parts from china and bring those jobs back home where they should be. When it come to defense of our country should we take responsibility for it for ourselves.

    • Sgt_Buffy

      That works if you are willing to take on a higher tax burden. Higher quality goods mean higher expenses which almost invariably come down on your shoulders. I don’t mind paying taxes, it’s a part of life, what I do mind is putting our soldiers at risk by buying from a risky source.

    • ChingChong

      I got an even better idea: you learn to spell “Sturm” correctly, then spray your WN sh*t.

    • Jan E. Culbertson

      If we ever go to war with China, are we going to depend on them for parts for our weapons? We need jobs here in the U.S., and all parts of weapons, and weapons should be being made here.

    • jdog

      prob the same guy who says our govt spends too much money^

  • Anon

    Agreed and Agreed…. why the heck are we buying military parts from overseas anyhow?
    Make them here, which will create jobs, improve the economy and make us safer.

    You know why we can’t? Because we don’t manufacture anything here anymore.
    And if the government tried to help a company out to start making the stuff here, millions of liberals would cry out in rage that the company is getting preferential treatment.

    UHG!

    • Kenbearhill

      Enough Anon! Let’s agree to keep this about Americans, not politics!! If Americans would stop being greedy about Mil spec items we would be making all of our supply items here. No questions asked. In fact one company in my state sold counterfeit “Jesus Nuts” to the Army for the Blackhawks my son fought from. They were conservatives so let’s not go screaming about what is comfortable and get the correction we need not a fix from some political hacks.
      That said, the shift of manufacturing production is great for wall street and the big investors but it eliminates the foundations of our present economy the working base of consumers who purchase and use the junk the investors import.
      What did we defend if not the ability to enjoy our kids and see them better off than we were growing up. Just as every generation of Americans has hoped since this country came into existence. The American Dream is freedom in all its varieties, not just the ability to maybe get wealth. Notice I did not say Rich. We are rich in comparison with most of the world. Most of the world will and have died to be free of oppression. It is time we who have served and fought for this country accept the gift we have given to the rest of our brothers and sisters, the gift of secure freedom.

    • Jan E. Culbertson

      Of course we manufacture stuff here – like hamburgers!!

    • Idonotbelievethis

      It’s not just liberals but republicans as well. They’d decry that it interfered with capitalism.

    • Paula Jaques

      Amen, Anon. I couldn’t agree with you more. You are spot on!
      PJ, Texas

  • Sgt_Buffy

    Friends don’t let friends use fake weaponry. China is not our friend, just another high-ranking business partner. It’s getting tense over there.

  • Pat

    China sucks.

  • billw917

    This simply demonstrates the sad state of US manufacturing.

    • otto

      That’s not really a problem with US manufacturing. The US still manufactures a lot of goods. The problem is with the lowest bidder, everything must be free market, economy. There are some things you just don’t outsource, especially to an ideological enemy.

  • Tribulationtime

    I gona say how “fake” is. Respectable and Patriot Company Owners put Flag in theirs chest and money in theirs ballets. Only if they buy fake parts and sold designs to China then China builds fakes for Pilots, Sailors and Soldiers who put theirs live stakes. They sold twice the Country which give all the things they have. The REAL new should be: How have China designs and tech to built parts? and How that tech can be implemented in own chinese designs or to combate western weapons?

  • LeeRetArmy

    What an excellent way to put a backdoor / trojan in a system

  • Every day man

    Why not suck up the cost and buy parts made in america

    • blight_

      You can pay a slave less than a free man, that’s why.

    • Jack Mehoff

      Yeah that’s an idea, geep feeding corporate greed and support fat union thuggery.

    • Jamie W.

      Yep, in this day when the military is having to massively cut the budget it just cut by 10% across the board a couple years ago, thanks to congressional incompetence and political contempt. Yeah, tell the military to suck it up and take another.

      You go talk to a military member having to work with the new financial reality and see if you can comfortably say that afterward. There are good ways to cut the military budget and reorganize spending; “suck it up” is not one of those ways.

  • KMan

    I’m not quite sure I understand the definition of “fake part” in the context of this article. What exactly is being called “fake.” Does the part not work as per spec? Is the part made from plastic instead of metal? Does the part fail to function at all? Is the part coming from China and being billed as “American made?” What, exactly???

    • TMB

      Basically, yes to all.

    • joe

      When talking about commercial aerospace stuff, it commonly means that a part billed as ‘new’ is actually a reconditioned second-hand component; which therefore will have less cumulative flying hours remaining on it than the fitter who puts it in the plane believes it does.

      Less sure about this story, as obviously I don’t know exactly what components were ordered, but I imagine it’s the same.

    • swizard

      A fake part can be inferior simply in the quality of the metal alloy, its strength, and resistance to cracking under stress. No submariner wants to have a critical part fail due to inferior mettalurgy. Nor do pilots. Nor do airplane passengers. Get the point. Fake can get you killed.

    • STEVE M

      My exact thoughts as I read this article.

      Easy solution of course is to simply have a military acquisition policy that mandates all parts for all our weapons be manufactured here in the US or by one of our clear-cut allies like members of NATO or Israel.

      SAM

    • guest

      in the waning years of the CLNTON administration they removed all kinds of Mil Specs, standards and requiremens stating commmercial practices were good enough,
      they also had requirements that the majority of parts be made in the USA.

      Clinton made China “our most favoured” trading partner status overnight.
      without coherent rationale other than donations to the DNC.
      .

  • Dfens

    American made airplane parts? Yeah, like that’s going to happen. Hell, not even Boeing or Lockheed have the facilities to make their own parts anymore. We might just as well say we’re not going to fly airplanes anymore. All this little tempest in a teapot will do is force the Chinese made parts to all come through Europe so the Eurpoeans can get their cut before they get here. It’ll be one more way we subsidize the European Union.

    • passingby

      Good point.

    • swizard

      The issue is not “where” the part is made, but whether it meets the specs in all regards. A fake by definition is “uncertified” on meeting the specified standards for a part, whether in material used, manufacturing processes, or dimension tolerances. An uncertified part is one whose manufacturer has not submitted for sample testing, and whose manufacturer has no “process” in place to assure inferior parts are screened out and removed from the sales market. So while a fake “could be” without danger, there is nothing to certify that it is not. Would you trust a brain surgery to an “uncertified” surgeon who offers one to you at below market cost, thinking that the cost is all that matters?

    • CaptWSims

      My son makes airplane parts six days a week, mostly for Boeing and AirBus. He works for a company in Seattle, not China.

  • Morty

    HA

  • Andy

    Jail the CEO’S

    • Belesari

      Um the chinese CEO’s im assuming you mean…..because the parts came from china.

      So you want the Chinese CEO’s who are also most likely part of the communist party to arrest eachother?………Good luck with that.

    • Mark Howard USN/Ret

      JAIL EVERYONE involved in this decision! And everyone who has undermined this nations ability to defend itself by RELYING on itself and our OWN resources!
      ECONOMIC TREASON is what it is.

      • USN RET

        Don’t put the bastards in jail. Shoot the a–holes!

    • R L Baker

      Jail, hell. Take them out behind the barn and shoot them. I’ll provide the ammo, and I’ll tell you this, it will be made in America.

  • Pilgrimman

    Remind me again why we haven’t bombed the living bajeezus out of China? They are an enemy, through and through. Why does the world let them get away with this crap?

    • Josh

      Because there’s over a billion of them.

    • blight_

      With that psycho logic the Soviets would have nuked America over the Cuban missile crisis, or invaded Europe over Prague Spring. At some point, violence isn’t justified.

      • passingby

        excellent rebuttal.

    • wisefubar

      Because they own us and won’t let us do anything too stupid, at least too them. We can only do things that make them $$$$.

    • Jack Mehoff

      Because Curious George has bankrupted our grand kids future and sold us out to China. Just like his handlers wanted him to do. How’s that change coming? face it, democrats will sell us into slavery as long as they are retained as tax collector and task master.

  • passingby

    fake news. fake congress. fake investigations. fake company. fake money.

    real funny

    • swizard

      A fake fake is not fake at all. It is an authentic fake.

  • Roland

    One advise: do not buy military and electronic hardware from China.

  • OldmanRick

    Wow, why are we even buying replacement parts for our military from China? All components needed for our military should be manufactured at US companies within the US.

    Anyone who believes the Chinese communists are our friends or even friendly trading partners needs a severe reality check..

    • joe

      The problem is, it depends what the ‘parts’ are.
      Submarine prop blades? Yes, definitely. Weapon control systems, again, easy sell.

      Bolts, nuts and fasteners…with the same spec as their commercial equivalent? Now you’re getting into the infamous “$200,000 hammer” territory that defence procurement gets into just as much trouble for. Unfortunately, big as the US military is, it’s not enough to support a lot of basic subassembly and component industries by itself, so it will always have to buy generic components of the civil market…which, since that’s bulk manufacture driven by cost, at the moment, means the PRC.

    • Gene

      exactly. well put.

  • Noha307

    Well, I for one was actually happy after I read this article. When I saw the headline I was afraid that the government had bought fake parts from China without actually realizing they were fake – and just now realized it.

    (Upon further thought: Oh, wait. They ALREADY DID THAT!)

    • blight_

      The GAO did it for a test. They set up a dummy company and made small purchases to test for supply line contamination.

      Sorry, Happy Joy Imitation Happy Products EIght-Eight-Eight factory is unlikely to be making authentic parts…that would be Loyalty Stoic Military Factory #6

  • Yoyo

    How about we get rid of useless unions and lobbyists so we can compete at home. The fact that China can produce items so effectively is ignoring the real problem that America has lost its competitive advantage due to Unions, Democrats, and other pro-entitlement groups.

  • zman537

    How can the US be some dumb to think that China is going to sell us weapon parts that may at some point be used to defend Taiwan or against NK or even against them.
    US Gov: China.. I need to by weapon parts that I could use against your friends or even you or to defend the US, do you have those parts available?

    China Gov: Ahh yes yes we do, I sell you parts fo good price.

  • hornung

    fuck China

    • blight_

      Okay, but how does that change anything?

  • AlC

    As a point of reference, I have about 20 years experience with chip and module manufacturing. (20 years of EE/Software as well)

    This problem should not even exist. There are so many known ways to deal with this. Sadly, it appears the DOD doesn’t know any of them. Feel free to hire some real world IC people and not the bunch of morons inside the beltway that give power point.

  • Rabbit

    Well, either we rely our homegrown military-industrial complex or we contract it out to another country’s. Can’t have it both ways.

  • Brendan

    What the article does not make clear is whether the “fake” parts are of inferior quality to the real parts. China often copies products from other countries, learns how it works and produces cheap better equipment. Was the equipment inferior as opposed to “different”?

  • Imagine how much those enormous programme costs would be without the Chinese knock-off parts.

  • itfunk

    So they went to China and asked “can you make some parts for us”. And the Chinese said “yes we can make them cheaper and better then the American ones and available quicker?

    So now china has a problem ? LOL.

  • Auyong Ah Meng

    You can only blame those who allow this to happen….”allowing” critical / key manufacturing of sensitive items/tech to be manufactured outside the united states…

    What’s the point…if america come into its own with rail guns, lasers, fusion reactors etc….if in the end your own greedy big business and american politicians in cahoots/were bought to allow the tech/critical parts be manufactured in China…of all places….

    Why not South Korea….or taiwan….Japan…even England / canada….why not these other places…why?

    Look at your congressman in the eye…and those fat cats (hidden and in the open) who allow and continue to allow this sad state of affairs to continue…

    For money and self deluded ideas of power/influence they are willing to let their country go down.

    Are we going to let them continue?

    Never…so look them hard in the eyes all the way.

  • cs4

    Hmm.. critical weapon parts bought from China and they are blaming China for spying.

  • Twidget at large

    WARNING RANT AHEAD:
    That’s what the tarifs were for, so tax’s wouldn’t have to be raised and manufacturing could be kept in cournty where you can keep an eye on it and also safe from the enemy, unfortunately tarifs are mostly gone, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs_in_United_States_history). So, IMOHO, raise the **** tarifis like we have done in the past and our economy is forced find cheaper incounus goods for the consumer, me. Chances of this actualy happening are slim, as because of a lack of tarriffs busniss was moved over seas, because why pay Americans 6 bucks an hour when you can have some other poor smuck work for 50cents an hour and love it, standard of living don’t ya know? So unless we got some corporate patriotes out there, (there’s a few I admit) they’re going to be against raising tariffs, gotta keep the share holders happy.
    Rant over, sigh :(

  • Joseph B. Collins

    Why are we buying parts that support our military infrastructure from a country that does not exactly have our best interest at heart? Why are “lawmakers” asking the GAO to waste taxpayer money in setting up a fake company to buy parts to see “if the Chinese government is doing anything to crack down on the massive problem.” Does this even make the slightest amount of sense? Why isn’t this money being better spent by properly training troops and ensuring they are equipped to fight the wars we are currently involved in? Why can I, as a GED educated, 20 year veteran of the United States Navy and common citizen see this as a bad idea and our college educated “lawmakers” not? Why are we still paying these “lawmakers” to waste our money in such a manner?

  • Red Devil

    China is NOT to blame on this one, they are doing what any enemy state would do. The fault lies on those sourcing the parts from China instead of America or at least an ally nation.

    Shame on you America for getting yourself in a bind like this.

  • Marshall

    Here in California, cement and concrete prices have risen greatly, due (in part) to the exporting of these materials to China for their dam projects, etc.

    Why don’t we ship phoney materials to China and see how they like it??!!

    And why does the US Govt allow high tech items to be made in China, essentially giving them access to technology that they wouldn’t have, if limited??
    Thanks, Apple!!! And the others that sell out American labor!!

  • Steve

    Can anyone, with an once of brain, tell me why we are buying any military parts, pieces, or hardware, from any foreign countr???. Has our government gone completely NUTS? What a beautiful way to destroy our war machine, from internal sources not loyal to America’s interests!

  • benny

    Hearing all the comments all of you are against buying cheap Chinese junk parts, yet every single one of you PROBABLY GO TO WALMART at least once a week. So, who is supporting China? Our government? NO!!!! You are. So, stop it. Buying prescription drugs from CANADA? Guess where they come from. And that stuff can kill you. Remember the baby food scandal, and the pet food crap? All Chinese junk. You’d rather pay $15 for a cheap Walmart Chinese item than $29 for a USA item.

  • infocyde

    Why are we buying critical submarine parts and parts for F-22 Raptors off shore anyway? Didn’t anyone see this as a natsec issue from the get go? Or do our transnational corporations own our foreign policy so much that national security concerns were over ridden? Who are the idiots running the show here? China will loot us for all the industrial know-how and technology that they can and then they will nationalize US holdings in China. Yet are corporations for a little bling up front and promises of more bling later are selling us down the banana republic road.

    F**kers.

    And yeah, I do go out of my way to buy American products when I can. When I can’t I try to buy from allied countries, then neutral. When nothing is left I buy from China.

  • Erich

    Same old same old. The wealthy CEOs make their money by saving money. So it will go on and on. We will have to keep on suffering and there isn’t a thing anyone can do except the government but the government is controlled by corporations.

    Wait a minute! You know I remember 30 years ago when China was making bolts for construction here in the U.S. with fake ASTM numbers stamped on them and some purportedly in the World Trade Center and other buildings in NYC. So this is not a new thing.

  • bronxboymike

    Congress and the American public should be more outraged that any tax dollars are being spent to purchase items of national security interest from a Communist country that is our most likely enemy in a future major war. Would we have allowed US defense contractors to purchase Soviet made parts during the Cold War? Absolutely not, and for the same reasons. Does China care if the parts work? It’s not in their national security interests to sell their adversary parts that work. My father fought to leave a Communist country during the Cold War and is probably rolling over in his grave with how the US is willingly enabling a Communist country to overtake us. It’s a national disgrace and a national security issue.

  • infocyde

    If we get into a shooting war with China, or any war for that matter in which they don’t wish us to succeed, can we ask for a time out in fighting if we are short of parts? “Hey, we need some more widgets for the F-22’s so we can establish air superiority over the South China Sea. Can we stop the war for a little while so you guys can send us more parts?”

    Our corporations and their greed have taken over national security and sold us down a river. Current idiots who let this happen should be show a vocation more suitable to their talents like [your worst job here], and then shewn away from anything to do with national security ever again. Or prison would work too.

  • Robert

    How about using parts buoy in America by Americans for American troops? Guess that’s just too easy…

  • Tom Agin

    I am glad that our military in WW2 didn’t rely on Japan and Nazi Germany for our Military supplies.

  • Usukmias

    With the price of anything military, how can they justify the farming out of parts. I mean come on people. Why has The United States of America decided to pump all the dollars into RED CHINA? It took a Democratic President to show things as they really are. Now we are left with…When the USA is a bad boy to China, they can not only pull the trigger on any shipment of parts but replicate the weapons built around the parts they currently make. The World Economy idea sucks. Unless you are one of the hidden filthy rich.

  • Ex-AF

    If you are buying your weapons from a foreign country then you are a client state. Ipso facto.

  • Gerry Feher

    How stupid can this country be? These GAO morons are undermining the US sovereignty . Why possibly buy part NOT made in the US ? Especially parts designated for US military.

  • Jim 38yr ship bldr.

    This is where competition (cost) not quality steps in. I worked as a ship building outfit as an estimator (38 Years) now retired. I fought evryone to not use the foreign materials, tech., labor just because it was a quater cheaper. In the long run the equipment cost more not only in money but human lives. USAF 1969 Vietnam Vet. I know what it means to have equipment that is inferior to the enemy.
    WHERE WAS QC??
    USA will be superior in almost every way soon-wait and see!!!!
    hang-in
    Jim

    • Guest

      lol, keep dreaming…

  • Marine84

    What I don’t believe about this is that the US is sourcing critical military components from one of its main rivals in international politics. Of course they don’t care if the parts are fake, makes their job easier in the event of war.

    What lame politician thought this up?

  • Nate

    Here is an idea, only buy weapons and military parts from US companies. In time of war we wont be able to get parts from anyone but ourselves. Wake up people…

  • mike

    This is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard. China isn’t our friend. They are our enemy and our defense is depending on parts from them. I have heard of stupidity, but this takes the Cake.

  • SEMPER FI

    NO MILITARY PARTS SHOULD BE MADE OVERSEAS ANYWHERE, I DON’T CARE HOW FRIENDLY WE ARE TO SOME COUNTRIES.

  • Dave

    lol. US sucks! Corruption at its BEST! Contract with China = someone got good money :) Any politicians involved? lol . you bet! US companies overseas = corruption again. Joe got no job…cause politicians and CEOs make more money through China! Yay! Now what! Obama hands are tied! Laws and senate don’t let change to occure or something like that! Yay we stuck.

  • medicman615

    China is not our friend. China has not been our friend for centuries and, up to very recently, openly proclaimed their status as our enemy. The Chinese understand far more readily than do Americans, obviously, that economic warfare is far more effective and detrimental than open military conflict. This IS NOT the only problem emanating from trade with China. Some other problems of note are the poisonous powdered milk and baby food and formula that has contaminated America and Americans. Rampant job loss is another. When are we going to wake up and realize China IS NOT interested or concerned with our welfare? Reality is quite the opposite; they see us only as a resource for growth by whatever means.

  • Bob Burrell

    The computer chip in your passport is made overseas also , how smart is that ?

  • HANK HILL

    WOULD NOT BUY FROM THEM AT ALL! LETS PUT OUR OWN PEOPLE TO WORK TO MAKE THE PARTS!

  • Leon Day

    The latest I heard was that chinese will be offering sperms to make kids.At a special price,so the mothers in america dosnt wory any more about the high cost of giving birth,

  • ONTIME

    Still something to be said about “Made In America”…..I wonder if that what was stamped on the PRC parts?

  • david

    why are we buying anything from foreign countries that go into our military, that is just plain STUPID. why dont we just buy our bombs from iran. OMG really.. WTF.. how stupid are our leaders? shouldn’t even be buying band aids from anyone but USA made. are we buying food from them also? JACKASSES..

  • amal purnomo

    American owe with China About one trillion dollar, i think most american peple like stupid.

  • david

    How many young men and woman have died for this country to stop the spread of communism. And now we are in debt and going deeper into red china. And handing them America on a plate. Do Americans not realize what would happen to us if china decided not to trade with us? We would be screwed.. All our factories are closed and/or demolished. Stand up America Buy American when you can. And if there is no choice take a step back and ask yourself “do I really need this china crap in my home” research where your stuff is made. Google any product and company before you make a major purchases. I will go without before I ever walk into a wal-mart.

  • Mbcreamer

    So if they are selling fake parts, do we get to make a fake payment?

  • boberic

    Re the Transmogrifier, Look up Turboencapulator on U-Tube it sounds like one of the fake chinese parts.

  • gt350

    Is just me but why would ANY military part come from China– next will be getting fuel rods from Iran.

  • Salspeed

    Thank You “Tricky Dickie” ( i hope some of you still remember who he was)
    Now for the real “reality check” Who in The Hell runs the Chinese manufacturers??? OOOHHHH here is a hint it is the Chinese Army/Generals and all of their hand picked Chronies, I would love to meet the Idiot who signed off on the order to buy these parts! i have a couple of American made pieces of hardware and one from Austria that would love to show him the difference between friends and foes!

  • eddyjames1952

    Let me see if I’ve got this straight.The government,I guess that’s our US government is buying parts for our weapons systems that we depend on to keep us safe from the Chinese.And the government is surprised we’ve been getting “Fake” parts in the deal? What surprises me most about this is that who ever authorized the Chinese to have the plans for the parts hasn’t been shot for treason.Along with who ever OK’d buying them.

  • Henry

    Our congress is more worried about getting reelected than fixing the problem.

    What most people don’t understand is that mission critical parts are no longer made in the United States or even in a country friendly to the United States, but are made in China. The same China that although they claim to have no hostile intent have engage in several weapons programs with the sole purpose of developing a system to cripple or destroy a United States aircraft carrier.

    I won’t even get into the hacking or espionage that is sanctioned by the Chinese.

  • Sylvia D. Lucas

    “Dramaitc”?

  • Homer

    I don’t care what people say, Chinese parts and things made in China are just plain JUNK! They are just cheaper and that is the reason they sell, BUT……the other reason is: This nation is being sold down the proverbial crap hole because some one in wash.D.C decided we needed to be a one world entity; i.e. the North American Union…To do that this nations base has to be destroyed! It’s foundation of God, Family, manufacturing etc has to be destroyed from w/in, so, that is what is happening!! Get ready for the crap to hit the fan!!!

  • First we need to stop borrowing money from China then worry about what is real or fake

  • Hazegray

    Mil.-Spec, Levelized material. Where is it. I thought we learned something after Japanese arresting cables took two sailors legs off after they snapped in a carrier landing. Cheap isn’t the problem. We dont make anything any more, putting all of our trust in a proven enemy. Thanks Bill Clinton for giving China “most favored nation” status. That were it all started.

  • Phil Turner

    I thought that we had laws forbidding the purchasing parts for the Defense Department from Foreign Nations! What kind of dumb US purchasing agents are doing that, and why are they not fired?

  • j force

    Why in the world would we buy parts for our national defense/armed forces from a foreign communist country bent on our destruction in the first place?

  • Dale

    Why are we buying from China in the first place. I know certain electronics may have to come from Asia because of technology rights. If you are a company and you send a print to China to see if they will quote you, China will make a copy of that print and become your competition. China is not our friends and may be a part of the next great war.

  • The real question here is NOT ‘why is china doing this’ but ‘WHY is our congress ALLOWING the USA to put American contractors out of work,hamstring our ability to wage war and diminish our GDP? name the traitors,Military.com!

  • Ed Goldberg

    When I was a Logistic Specalist for NAVAIR the slogan was buy American. What ever happened to that way of doing business?

  • jbabb

    The reason you make your military parts IN YOUR COUNTRY is so that you always have access to production and can verify the quality. If we bought any computer chips from China, I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that those chips are sending back secure data to the Chinese.

  • Bob G

    Just a thought but since the government has zero accountability anyway why don’t we close the GOA and then spend the billions of dollars that they sqaunder making the equipment we need to defend OUR country here in OUR country.

  • morganJ

    So let me get this straight – our government is buying vital parts for sensitive and secret weapons systems from China? Not only is this shipping money to a potential enemy but it is making all of our systems vulnerable to Chinese hacking and disabling by remote. On top of all that it is spending tax payer money in a tight economy to pay foreign workers!

    This Administration has continued to demonstrate a desire to see our military and country in ruins. When will people wake up to that fact? When they are forced to do all business in Mandarin, I guess.

  • F.R.Wilson

    When you speak of ‘parts’ here, do you mean rubber shower shoes for the chiefs’ head and cutlery for the officers’ wardroom? Surely we’re not buying hydraulic pumps, propeller shafts, torpedoes or cruise missiles from the Chicoms?

  • Robert J Wheeler

    I just read an article in the American Legion magazine. The article had a great line. If you hurt the economy. You hurt the country. China is doing that to the USA. We have our idiot CEO’s sending our jobs to China. This is what you get for your trouble: fake parts, poison in our baby food and exploding fire crackers.

  • STEVE TALLEY

    WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP

  • Geoff

    Take a moment and look around your home, look at your electronics, kitchen wares, furniture, garden equipment, clothes, toothbrushes, etc. The label of each item says what country that item was made in. How many from the USA, Brazil, European countries, Tiwan, Japan, and China? Make a list and see what you have. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts the majority were made in China. Gotta start somewhere.

  • Larry

    What’s appalling is that we aquire any military parts or equipment from China at all, period.

  • tinnoker

    I did a couple of military contracts 20 or so years ago, my contract stated that materials had to be manuf. in the US and they were inspected to be as such before I got paid. It was tough to find even back then but worth it I think, what happened to that rule???

    • blight_

      Good question. Perhaps the rule is now “manufactured or vetted to be equivalent to product made in the United States”?

  • Neal Hardy

    We should find every fake part that China has ever sold us and deduct it from the $100 billion dollars a day (interest) on the debt that we pay China. Also, we need to stop sharing our technology with others. Technology is what maes a military strong. We are just stepping on our own toes.

  • sapphiraa

    liberals? democrats? WHOA WHOA WHOA! isnt it republicans who got us into the financial mess were in right now? and isnt it democrats who are trying to help small businesses right now while republicans bitch and scream that large companies should hold monopoly over everything so their own wallets get fatter? damn i hate morons who cant see past their own noses….oh and…STOP BUYING FOREIGN MADE PARTS FOR OUR MILITARY

  • Gary Picha

    What the hell happened to “sub safe”. , where you could track down who mined the rock that the ore cam from! What ass commited this!! They should be strung up bu their balls & left to die. Our tax dollars not at work here. How much did this SOB get paid off. Dumb ass MF. Yeah I said it WTF are you gonna do about it, assho– eyes!!!

  • mogul264

    This is another reason to BUY AMERICAN! And, perhaps, discontinue buying from China, with whom we already have a large trade deficit! They should be buying parts from us! Any fool with half a brain should know they are not doing business with us for OUR benefit! Wake UP, people.

  • Jim

    So why not just keep wsting time and money buying parts we know that are fake. Have another study done to see what can be done about this problem.
    Or, let’s just not buy anything outside this country. Maybe then our economy might grow a bit. It will stimulate our economy by creating the jobs the Washington DC has promised but can’t deliver, the parts will be of a better quality, and it might just make the other countries take notice.

  • guru

    we pay less for unemployment than we would to give our own citizens a full time job with overtime and benefits.

  • Kirby W Gamel

    And why is it exactly that we are buying US Government parts from China?

  • dragonaria

    bought something from china, you just make the china is getting reach,and your own country is getting weak.

  • Chief Jones

    U.S. manufacturing has gone to ” HELL”. The fake parts issue can be solved by the purchasing company requireing that ALL parts are to made in the USA.
    You can’t give the Chinese too much hell though, what if they sent a couple of ” knee breakers over here to collect what we owe em?

  • Bill

    You know how to fix the problen. Stop buying parts or anything from China. Let’s start making stuff in the USA.

  • PMG

    A few comments… Many of the US weapons systems are very old, and most of the electronic components that are needed to keep them functional are no longer manufactured or available from authorized distributors. (Just as an example, altho it is not a weapons system, look at the Space Shuttle. Main reason that the program ended was because parts were no longer available for it. The Shuttles were flying with 386 computer hardware… Do you know how hard it is to find a new & unused radiation-hardened 386 computer chip these days? NOT POSSIBLE!!! No one makes them anymore because 386 chips are obsolete, and because technology has changed so much since the early 90s, replacement chips cannot be used…) More on next post

  • PMG

    Continued from previous post: So, the Gov’t is always looking for old replacement parts, much of which cannot be found with any sort of documentation. Add to the problem – many European countries & the US are sending their E-Waste to China. China has all these old computers, routers, cell phones, etc, as a source of chips. The Chinese companies break up the E-Waste, remove the chips (desolder them over a fire), wash them in a river. straighten the leads, and then re-mark them as something that is unavailable… Other companies buy /sell the chips and they make their way into this country… Now, China know that these items are being counterfeited, but they do not care. It is big business for their companies / people, and an annoyance for foreigners.

  • RichardBennison

    So where is the leak that gave the Chinese the design specs of the parts the GAO bought? Isn’t that treason? Oh, I forgot, all’s fair in greed and corruption these days in the U.S. Government, especially with Obama at the helm getting ready to sell us out !!!!

  • J

    Folks, we’re all missing the big picture. The reason we HAVE to trade with China is because we owe them gazillions of dollars. We need to stop borrowing money from China, pay off our debts, then remove them from “Most favored Nation” trading status.
    You can thank Nixon for that gem. Now, factor in the fact that China is the most pro-active nation for cyber hacking and counterfeit goods. I’m sure no American is happy with that whatsoever. Wake up folks.

  • Doug Randall

    Why in God’s name are we buying critical military parts from of all places China?????

  • JW Bodean

    Keep buying crap from our loyal & trusted friend, China, because we don’t want anything of their size to be mad at us!
    Keep feeding our kids leaded paint chips and play with dangerous toys to keep our loving friends on our side!
    Let them shoot down our planes and keep prisoners in top-notch, state of the art holding pens,… fill our store shelves with nothing but their products because they are so darned good at manufacturing all the finest foods and household products!
    Who needs jobs in America, when we can get such nice stuff at such an affordable price???
    Then, sometime down the road, when they decide it’s time to declare war on us, we can shoot ’em with our cap-guns!
    China ruvs us wrong time!

  • Leo Johnson

    You See What Happens When You Keep Electing The Same Old Fuddie Duddies to aour Government Positions.Let’s get rid of Them in The Up Cming Elections.

  • This is an example of American greed. As an individual I will go on semi- hunger strike with rice and water for USA to limit or disconnect trade with China. We lost another freedom , to freely have a choice of country of origin of the product we buy. Now it’s made in China or not available.

  • C. Smith, USN Ret.

    First of all why aren’t Americans building weapons and planes for America ? Whoses bright idea was it to employee Chinese and entrust the safety of our armed forces and millions of Americans to any one else but Americans ?

  • HTC

    heres a real novel idea make all military supply parts in the U.S.

  • Jack Mehoff

    Home grown? It was fat union thuggery and corporate greed that got us to this situation in the first place.

  • Tom

    There are TWO (2) reasons for the Chinese continuing with the fake parts. One is to finance their own military build up, and another is to do damage to our military, first by injecting inferior parts into our inventories thereby significantly increasing the probability of failure under heavy use, as in wartime, and second, by inundating our supply system with fake parts the far more sinister design of espionage and/or remotely controlled sabotage occurs. This has been going on with regard to our IT systems for quite a while. Some major international defense contractors even have Chinese nationals with close connection to Bejing in executive positions.

  • nobsartist

    The first military program that used foriegn sourced parts was the HUMVEE. Thank Reagun for that along with the health care debacle. Simple solution- BAN ALL FORIEGN OWNED BUSINESS FROM BIDDING ON GOVERNMENT WORK. Like BAE for example.

  • Frankie

    China, our friend you got to be kidding. I once had a women stay with me from China and she stated that the only reason they come here to go to school is to steal from us and take back our knowledge and us it against us. It can’t be any clearer to me and in fact i notified my Congressman Paul Ryan about it………… and what is being done nothing we continue to get many students{spy’s} from China .

  • tailhook

    I know it a reverse situation, however, Wasn’t it Comrade Marx that said that a capitalist is a person that will sell them the rope that they will hang you with????

    captnron

  • Hickelbilly

    Bet China is really careful in making weapons parts. Bet they have a real concern about the safty of our troops and the American Citizen. Maybe we should go the cheaper way and hire the Taliban and the Iranian Army to protect us.

  • Fred

    Do we get a refund on those items? I would like to have that money put back into the Government coffers and get a pay raise next year.

  • Retired Gunner

    If China cannot be trusted (haha) then refuse to buy from them; and maby refuse to sell certain things to them.

  • Joseph

    So, they not only counterfeit our currency but weapons and electronic parts too. Here is a thought. The Chinese want to call in our war debt to them; then I say we return the favor and stop all trade with them and see if it hurts them as much as it would if say we lost an Americans life due to fake parts.

  • Dennis

    What outrages me is that the US Government would buy parts for our ships, aircraft and weapons systems from China.
    Keep it American you idiots. The Chinese government knows the parts are fake and does not care. They laugh at you for sabataging yourself and they don’t have to do it.
    You kiss China’s butt because you think you can make lots of money over there. Your wrong. Chinese Government can step into their economy anytime and pull the plug because their a socialistic dictatorship with full control. Just like in Russia. If people get to rich and develop political ambitions that threaten their control they will shut it down.
    You kiss their butt but yet they launch a balistic missle from one of their subs 35 miles off the coast of Los Angeles. Russia in all the times of the “Cold War” did not dare do this. This act is a threat against the American people. In the past was a tit for tat verbal exchange between administrations. To launch a balistic missle off the coast of the US is a direct threat against the American People as a whole threatening our existance. It was an act of war.
    If you cant protect us and look out for our country instead of the all mighty dollar? Get the hell out of office and my country.

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