Video: China’s Two J-20 Stealth Fighters

 

Happy Monday. Let’s start this week off with a new video showing China’s two J-20 stealth fighters sitting side by side on the ramp at Chengdu, China.

Click through the jump to see the video of good ole J-20-2001 and J-20-2002.

  • Sgt_Buffy

    What is the real likelihood that we’ll be going to war with China? Because I figure that China and the USA depend on each other economically. If we were to go to war, it would be on the Pacific islands, and the mainlands couldn’t be touched. Any attempt to subdue the populations of the mainland would be folly, resulting in the most unstable government plagued by insurrections, even if the conquering country only set up a new government, not actually control the country. I, for one, cannot see how either side would benefit, how they could benefit, from a war.

    Sometimes, hype can be tiring.

    On a topic, the J-20 looks sick!

    • Alex

      I tend to agree that the odds of a war between the US and the PRC is remote. A large single or multi-theater conflict between the two nations is unlikely for a host of reasons. Instead, it is likely a pattern of events similar tot those seen in the Cold War will develop. Proxy wars, posturing, etc, etc.

      I do disagree with your statement of mainlands not being touched. The US doctrine of deep strike and interdiction would come into play. Command and control centers, logistics centers, railway, airfield, etc, etc will all be valid targets to US planners.

      Look for air and sea campaigns in the event of full scale hostilities. Ground power will play little role, other than SOF.

      • Sgt_Buffy

        Well, you know the idea.
        With the mainlands, the portrayal is that neither would try to “take over” either populations. I agree with you that it will be the second cold war. But the Cold War did not have large amounts of skirmishes between forces, in such a case as to warrant worry over the J-20 or our F-35 or F-22.

        But I suppose it’s all the perpetration of the arms race, and he who carries the bigger stick…

        • Alex

          Not skirmishes. War by Proxy. The Cold War had plenty of those.

          • BK553

            If we go to war with China, it will be because they attacked Taiwan.

          • ohitikensd

            More likely to be about the South China Sea, where China’s claiming other countries’ internationally recognized territorial waters.

          • John Moore

            USA is the only country that claims the 200 NM limit no?

            USA tells other’s that the limit is only 12km.

            so .: why would china accept that? Just a ?

            As for claiming areas that clearly do not belong to them I agree there going way over board with this.

          • Richard S

            because 200NM off of china’s shore is a lot of other countries, the us only worries about that in the Gulf

          • TMB

            The 200 mile/12 mile rule is a UN-recognized border, not something the US imposed.

          • Ken

            The 200 NM off of the coast of mainland China doesnt really border many countries’ borders or territories. What the problem that they’re causing is the disputed islands in the South China Sea. China claimed the 2 chains of islands in the SCS to be their, so therefore, imposes another 200 NM water territories within those islands to be their as well. What’s happening is, those islands are still disputed, it doesnt belong to China yet, but China is already exercising its authority and sovereignty over those islands and the disputed 200NM off of the coast of those islands. So when Vietnam, Philipines, or whatever country vessels go near those disputed islands for fishing or whatever, China would seize and arrest them. Thats what causing the tension as no one is clearly the recognized owner of those islands yet and negotiations are still underway but China already exercised its sovereignty rights.

          • STemplar

            No, the USA is not the only country to claim rights under the EEZ distances.

      • Kool Guy

        This time we wouldnt want a cold war with China or an arm race. Why? Because the situation is different with China this time. Back then, USSR had a GDP far below that of the US, so if we do the arm race and they try to spend as much they go bankrupt. For China, their GDP is about to surpass that of the US (doesnt mean they’re wealthier) just the GDP is getting bigger than the US. So in theory, they can spend more than the US in terms of defense as a percentage of the GDP. When their GDP grows bigger than the US, 4% of their GDP will be more money than 4% of our GDP. It will simply be better if we go to an actual war with them instead of engage in a Cold War.

        • passingby

          Finally showing a little bit of sound mind, except perhaps the last sentence.

          Actual war means mutually assured destruction. Cold war means destruction for the US alone. (The US is already insolvent. The mainstream media, aka govt/corp propaganda machine isn’t talking about it for obvious reasons.)

          • Kool Guy

            All I know is that i totally destroyed your mom last night passingby ;)

    • Richard S

      The problem China has and will always have is getting to the United States. We, as a country, through our Carrier fleets, have the ability to project our power. There is no way in hell the Chinese, with anyones help, could pose a threat to the US mainland. The US posing a threat on the other hand is exactly what would happen.

      And alpha strike from 6 carrier groups, including land strikes from Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan = War over, and anyone who thinks it isn’t vastly underestimates the technological superiority the United States has militarily over any country in the world.

      • Striker

        Well said

      • Striker

        Well said, I agree completely

      • david z pritchard

        If we are bombing the chinese mainland from our carriers, the Chinese will use Nukes to sink them. I doubt our carrier battlegroups would survive long against nuclear weapons.

        • matheusdiasuk

          Suicide.

        • Richard S

          You really think the very first places our fleet of 1000 JSF’s wouldn’t hit are their nuclear stockpiles. Put the aegis ships in the carrier groups and nothing gets by. It would be over before the chinese know what is happening.

          • tee

            1000 JSF”s where are they coming from? They can’t even land on a Carrier.

          • Richard S

            D0nt have to, Japan, South Korea, India, Taiwan

          • tiger

            And why would they want to play?

          • Richard S

            Because EVERYONE hates communist China and what their shady ass business practices have done to the overall economy in Southeast Asia. Also they don’t really have a choice now do they. We launch from their countries or we pull out and they lose all funding

        • passingby

          China can simply bomb the US proper with nuclear ICBMs fired from inside its borders or from its nuclear submarines. US carriers groups can be sunk with its wide array of AShCMs.

          If the decision makers in the US have any trace of sanity, they wouldn’t touch China. Only the most uneducated, uninformed, brainless nutjobs and lunatics would contemplate a war with China – I know there are plenty of them here.

          • Richard S

            US carriers can THEORETICALLY be sunk. The Lasers will be on board really soon. Then that is not gonna happen.

            The Aegis system just hit another milestone, and if you think for one second that the entire Chinese submarine fleet wouldnt be sunk in about 5 seconds, you are an idiot

          • tiger

            Exactly. The Pacific is a big place. Our ASW is not that hot to trot anymore.

          • Sgt_Buffy

            Yes. And once a carrier group goes kooky in wartime, it’s rather difficult to find such a group if they really put an effort into staying secretive.

    • servinggreentea

      I look more at mutual defense treaties we have with Japan and Phillipines, and each country’s respective territorial claim on some rocky outcropping against China. A country tries to arrest Chinese fishermen fishing on what they claim to be withing their EEZ, Chinese surveillance/coast gard vessels block attempts to arrest, the country sorties out their best ex-USN vessel, China raises the defcon/military readiness for the corresponding fleet in that area, China sends more vessels and so does that country. I think that most of this – if not already – has happened and possibily is still happening between Phillipines and China. So if shots are fired, then Washington will have to take a long and hard look at the defense treaty.

      • Ken

        Going to war with China or not over the issue of military confrontations between China and the Philipines is not a for sure thing yet. If politicians feel that it will be a popular war and receive strong support then maybe they will do it, if not they will leave it alone. Speaking of the mutual defense treaties with the allies, such as the treaty with Philipines there are many loopholes that the US can get itself out of. The NY Times pointed out that the treaty only required the US to defend its ally when Philipines’ territory gets invaded. But if the Philipines’ forces gets attacked at the disputed islands, we can say the treaty doesnt cover disputed territory. China wouldn’t also be stupid and attack Philipines’ recognized territories and sovereignty, thus, leaving them some room to debate if they go to the UN.

    • Andy

      J20 is JUNK…….

      • cs4

        So is F35 and an expensive one at that.

    • Vec

      U r looking at J 20 as a bankrupt american so J 20 look sick

    • TeaPartyPatriot

      Their goal is to destroy the US economcally. They have come out and said that about 5 years ago. the dumb Democrats are helping them out with ther spending spree. I am counting on an internal collapse just like Russia. The have no werethesystems to attcktheUS on a strategic level.

    • LEG
  • Uranium238

    Those are stealth bombers, plain and simple. No way those can be fighters can compete against the F-35 and F-22 for air superiority. Those burner cans are awfully huge too. Perfect for a growling Sidewinder.

    • cjkosh

      Fast interceptor like the Mig 25 or 31? Two big engines for raw speed, stealth frontal profile. Maybe an F35 hunter.

    • HarveytheRabbit

      No way? Are you qualified to make the call? I say this is a dangerous jet. It has a functional configuration, and they are serious about developing it. Its purpose is to challange the F-22, and intimidate neighbors in the Pacific Rim. The timinig is right for them to do so because the USAF is declining.

    • Nick T.

      I agree. The size is a almost dead giveaway. There was an article a while back on whether or not this was designed to carry carrier killers. But at the same time, a quick google image search turned up a size comparison. The J-20 is around the size of a Su-27, and so I put forward my own theory: this is supposed to be a F-4 style missile freighter, designed to get in the air, launch them at formations, and pull out. Great for strategic bomber interception and long range fights, bad for dogfights.

  • bowie soldier

    What do we have to worry about here? It looks far to big to be an air superiority aircraft, hell it even has a door in the side of the jet. We have the f35 ajd the f22 the latter having the capability to outperform what a human can handle. How is a monster like this even going to dogfight?

    • Uranium238

      What we need to worry about is its ground attack capability. If China sends one of those to strike Kadena AFB, or all the way to hit Andersen AFB, we need to be prepared to detect it and eliminate it.

      • Dayne

        they are gonna need a lot more than just one…

  • Black Owl

    Why is there a picture of a golden armored japanese anime warrior on the photo?

    • Praetorian

      Identification of the person or group that posted the picture.

  • billw917

    In 1913, political commentators and such were saying that war with all those modern weapons just was so destructive that the great powers of the day would not choose it. War, one commentator said would never again occur among those powers.
    Oops.

    • TMB

      I don’t think anybody here is saying “no war with China” because it would kill lots of folks, but rather it would be economic suicide for both countries. We’re so closely linked with them it’s not difficult to foresee the consequences of a war.

      • Richard S

        You say that, but I’m pretty sure that India would kill for what China has as far as factories goes

    • APsquid

      You bring up a scary, and valid, point.

  • Level6

    Except no one has the balls to attack a country that has nuclear missiles. Which is why the world needs nukes; and China and Russia and Israel will never give them up. That also means DPRK and Iran know this and are not stupid. They know they would not exists if they did not have them, because the US would have removed their Governments.

    The J20 is pure propaganda, but its primary mission would be long range strike, mainly against US and Japanese naval assets. Of course if it did exists, it would not be effective.

    • Richard

      So 9/11 and 7/7 were normal days then? Also, DPRK has twice tested nuclear weapons and the same regime is in place.

      • Level6

        Do I have to by so damn specific otherwise some smart ass will reply? Well then, No nation state with nukes will attack another with nukes. Terrorism like 9/11 is effective because no response is possible. Terrorists, non-state actors. with nukes being the ultimate because MAD is not in play. Can’t nuke another country if not responsible. I also said DPRK and Iranian regimes would be history if they did not have nukes or perceived too.

        • Richard

          Ha, sorry. So ABM is an anti-terrorist weapon? serious question.

          • Ibizenthoth

            I severely doubt that an non-state actor would use a missile. More likely a smuggled bomb delivered in disguise.

          • Level6

            The whole justification for ABM is to neutralize first strike capability by Iran and DPRK, mainly against its neighbors and our Allies.

            If the US had an ICBM capable ABM system, then it would be give the US an advantage in dealing with them militarily. The biggest problem is that current system is not even close to be proved reliable and capable in the real word. No one in the US is going to take a chance. But then again, neither Iran or DPRK have proven the offensive capability either. The US GBMD ABM system also scares Russia because they think one day, their nuclear deterrent will be neutralized.

        • tiger

          I think a 10 year war on Terror is the response.

    • JackBlack

      Sputnik was considered too, look where it got.

    • Vec

      Dont delude yourself.

  • OpsFear

    It is interesting that China and Russia are attempting 5th Gen stealth aircraft despite the US not having any. The F22’s problems and deficiencies are well known. It is basically not flyable and will not be until the O2 problems are fixed and Block upgrades in 2018. Even after that its utility is limited. The F35 is a test aircraft. and has structural and software issues, as well as cost over runs. and who knows when a production ready version will be ready.

  • Lance

    I dont know why the author here is so in love and fascinated with the J-20. This is no new about the plane just more Commie propaganda. While the J-20 may be a leap over the J-11 and J-10 and the hordes of J-7s China has it probably wont get close to our F-22 and F-15s in air to air combat. It seems to look more like a long range interdiction bomber than a pure air superiority fighter.

    While some new news is great come on more of the authors drooling over some pics of the same plane all over again.

  • Richard

    How long are they going to play this game of leaking footage from a pretend ‘spy’ in the bushes, ninjas are Japanese, not Chinese.
    Also, until I see them both doing something in the same shot, I won’t believe they have two.

    • justsaying

      It’s not leaked footage and it’s not a pretend spy either… you just watch too many Hollywood films… the airfield is surrounded by tall grasses in some parts.

      • Richard

        My mother never let me watch tv. So that is a state cameraman filming that?

  • _maxPain_

    Not a fighter,but a light close support bomber,perfect for the pacific islands.That equipment will never be use on aircraftCarriers and was design to put pressure on Taiwan.
    Now as for conflict between the super powers,,that will never happen in our life time,although I shouldn’t be saying (never),, economically they have more to lose than anything else but we can expect muscle flexing on time to time..It’s healthy for the contractors and the medias

  • ZJD

    What is a “figther”?

  • Pat

    Just another stealth jet. Nothing special about this one…

  • MBurt

    That plane is HUGE. I wont comment on the technology as I am not an engineer but knowing how the chinese mimic quality and take massive shortcuts, I wont sell the farm on this aircraft. China cant see our F-15<---which is old as sin and still LETHAL, F/A 18-standard and super hornets, heck, I'll even throw in the F-16. The F-22 oxygen problems have only recently surfaced (to civilians) and prior to, everyone and their grandmother was on their knees for that aircraft. That said, in short,....nothing to worry about here. Even if this hulk of a plane THOUGHT of nearing an American warship, he would be in for a world of hurt.

    • Vec

      Stop consoling yourself

  • Jayson

    They’re crazy for their cartoon images. They have cars with hello Kitty plastered all over it front to back even. This isn’t out of character for them.

    The plane seems to have F15 elements to it from the rear view just the verticles slanted.

  • Ted

    That is so lame. They don’t even show it fly

    • Norman

      Did you look at that channel at all?

  • Colin

    This plane is too big to be a fighter it has to be some kind of medium stealth bomber.
    the F22 and F35 are half the length of that plane.

    • HarveytheRabbit

      It is not too big. Everything is in proportion and analysis of the configuration reveals F-22 class performance. They need the right engines, fire control and weapons. The testing is underway to achieve it all. They are going to do it. Then what?

    • tiger

      No such thing as “too big.” Todays planes are all bigger than planes of WW1, WW2 or the Gen 1 jet era.

  • Hunter76

    China has every intention of becoming a super power, and her neighbors will pay the price. The big threat to China has almost always been not external, but internal. The kleptocrats in charge in China need foreign enemies to maintain tight control on communication, assembly, etc.

  • ski

    It doesn’t help when contractors or people working on certain projects have their names and email contact info for anyone to look up. He might have certain info on his home computer that can be compromised. The stuff doesn’t have to be the latest and greatest.

  • littlebob

    I doubt they can keep them flying at this point in time, but if we keep sending our jobs and technology over there it will be a real possibility. Cessna is already having planes produced over there. How many other American companies are sharing our technology by producing products over there?

    • Ken

      As of now we’re only sending jobs of low tech productions over there. Most of them doesnt even require American technology, it might require American standards thats it. For example, the iPhone, most parts and even the assembly process is in China, but for them to make a phone that can compete with the iPhone is like impossible. Also, regarding the jobs outsourcing to China, that trend has seem to be winding down as China is no longer the true paradise of production. Its workers’ average wages has seem to be increasing a lot over the past decades, its raw materials are no longer cheap and abundant like how it used to be, and last but not least its government has been too unfair in protecting domestic companies and are causing a lot of hostilities with foreign companies. Like the Google exit of China, and now the battle between Apple and Proview over the issue of the iPad trademark which the Chinese court obviously sided with its domestic company. We can also see a lot of factories beginning to find its way to exit China. Foxconn, Apple main manufacturer for its product, hired millions of workers in China are beginning to set up factory in Brazil. No worries here, China economy will be in a rough phase coming toward the end of this decade.

  • STemplar

    What a shock, new stuff out of China on the J20 right when there are questions being raised about the F22 and by default the issues with the F35. Funny how that always seems to happen whenever we are arguing over funding and the F22s and F35s. Hmmm, coincidence? Nahhhh.

  • nate

    I would love to see it try to dogfight an F22! Even an F15 or F16 for that point. Western nations also have the best pilots in the world!
    My question is, who is filming this? Because they are clearly hiding in bushes lol!

  • Superraptor

    Once sequestration hits next year and we mothball our aircraft carriers and cancel the F-35,China’s J-20s and their future planes will go unmatched. The F-35 probably is no match anyway given its measly presence of 4 internal Air-to-air missiles vs ten for the J-20 and its shorter range and low speed. And lets face it, if China invaded Taiwan and we had to defend it, we would have to borrow the money from China to do it. We are 2 years behind Greece. We need to drastically reduce our federal spending including entitlement spending and entitlement mentality or our future will be dictated by China with its hundreds of millions of smart and industrious citizens, think 10 bucks for a Gallon of gas

    • cs4

      Why would China invade Taiwan when charm offensive is working as planned? They are preparing for invasion only to stop them from going independent, invading now will only backfire.

  • Ron

    Have you seen the size of J-20 its looks to be bigger than an F-22… If I had to guess I would have to day it’s as big as an F-111…. I’m thinking it’s not a fighter but more of an anit ship missile delivery system for air craft carrier’s…. China has this thing with the USA ability to part aircraft carriers off there coast and they can to do much about it. The J-20 would be there answer.

  • Musson

    This aircraft is so stealthy – it is called a Figther – just to confuse the enemy.

    • So Happy.

      I lol’ed.

  • anthony

    Why should we worry ? We are on good terms with china, and they dont want war like we dont,like Venuzualla Chaviz,all citizen pay about one dolar a gallon for gas,they pay more to service men cleaning windsheild!!

  • Bob Bradly

    Know thy enemy.

  • Vec

    Exactly like america.Dont we all need enemies.Ask yo military Industrial complex.Otherwise u r out of a job

  • kqn

    The J20 is one leg of China’s anti access strategy to keep US carriers far away, very far away. It is a long range stealth bomber with secondary fighter capabilities (even a stealth bomber with R77 active radar guided missiles can be a real problem for any fighter to deal with). Its range is unknown but most likely it can reach Guam from mainland China.

    In the next 2 decades, China is the US strategic competitor with a clearly publicly stated goal, to replace the US as the dominant super power. In annals of human history, when an emerging power attempted to or replaced an incumbent super power, there has always been war. Also, the majority of wars came as a result of serious economic and/or political issues at home and abroad….just as it is now globally.

  • dgf

    Who cares. I have yet to hear of a fighter jet out running a missle. But I could be wrong

  • Mike

    Great. A nine minute preflight and taxi video. The excitement generated was spine tingling. Can’t wait for the next one.