CV-22 Down in Florida

An Air Force Special Operations Command CV-22 Osprey out of Hurlburt Field, Fl., went down last night in the nearby Eglin training range, injuring all five airmen on board, according to the Air Force.

The service isn’t saying much about the crash, other than it happened around 6:45 pm yesterday and that three of the airmen were hurt badly enough to warrant being flown by helicopter to local hospitals while the other two were taken via ambulance.

This is the second loss of one of the Air Force’s special operations-variant CV-22s in the last two years. A special ops variant Osprey went down in Afghanistan in April 2010 — an incident the Air Force officially blamed on pilot error despite indications than an engine may have lost power and the fact that tiltrotor’s flight information recorder was never recovered by accident investigators.

Two months ago, a Marine Corps MV-22 Osprey crashed in Morocco, killing two Marines during Exercise African Lion.

Here’s an excerpt from NorthWest Florida News’ report on the latest crash:

A fire was put out on the plane, according to Holley-Navarre Fire District Chief Ron Norton. Units with Holley-Navarre and Florosa Fire were called to assist when the plane went down in a heavily wooded area off of Range Road.

“When we got there we were told to standby,” Norton said. “They had already taken care of the patients and were waiting for water supply to put out the hot spots that remained on the plane.”

Eglin and Hurlburt Fire were also on scene.

  • DGR

    Prep for the haters in 3…2…1…

    Im curious to see the report, but there will be the usual crowd who will rush to jump the gun before the official reports are out.

    • Dfens

      Yeah, damn those “haters”! It was clearly the pilot’s fault. Just wait until the final report PROVES me right.

    • Nick

      They’ll have trouble finding someone to blame if no one died. There’s no SOP for this scenario.

      • DGR

        Not sure what you think SOP is, but the majority of aircraft incidents dont involve any crew fatalities.

  • Prodozul

    Hope they pull through

  • Anonymous

    “an incident the Air Force officially blamed on pilot error despite indications than an engine may have lost power and the fact that tiltrotor’s flight information recorder was never recovered by accident investigators.”

    Does the Air Force blame everything on pilots (like the F-22 crash)? Is that their method of “Support the troops”?

    • Dfens

      It’s cheaper to blame the pilot than to fix the airplane, therefore they are all the pilot’s fault. This despite the fact that UAV’s crash at 10 times the rate of manned aircraft.

      • asdf

        that’s just because they don’t have the autolanding feature (the usaf ones). that’s the main source of crashes actually.

      • NathanS

        UAV’s are technically remotely piloted – the worst of both worlds.

        Commercial aircraft auto-pilots are actually safer than pilots.

      • Vaporhead

        The AF calculated they would lose a certain number of UAVs per year, and it was a accepted risk for them. I can tell you right now, the Safety Investigation board who does the crash investigation is not gonna be influenced, nor care, about the cost to “fix” the airplane. They only care about how to prevent it from happening again.

    • ghostwhowalksnz

      Just check out Youtube for the crazy things pilots can do , when they should know better. Planes have crashed because the pilot wa fumbling for a dropped ballpoint pen or even reading their text messages during finals

  • jamesb101

    and these a/c are going to the Marine One fleet?

    • Chops

      Don’t forget they got rid of a bunch of brand new Marine 1 aircraft to make the MV22 our new Marine 1—way to go on fiscal responsibility.

    • Guest A

      They’re going to HMX-1 Squadron, but they won’t be used as “White Tops”.

      • rayburn

        True, they are considered too unsafe for the White House VIPs, who will fly in helos. Only military support personnel will fly in the V-22s.

        • Riceball

          More likely too big and expensive to convert into a VIP transports. Could you imagine what a V-22 would do to the White House lawn?

        • 6113

          That’s probably not the reason at all, but ok whatever. The rotorwash alone is a huge reason they won’t go to the white side

  • JackBlack

    Crappy heliplane is crappy all the time since it left the design board, and innocent people pay for its flawed design.

  • Lance

    I hope all airmen recover fast and painlessly as possible. One of a few reasons Id had a choice id stay with my CH-53 or CH-46 over one of these this plane is far less stable than conventional choppers and while kept in minute 100% condition dose fine. But with thousands of men doing things to the bird all the time its imposable to make sure every plane is 100% flyable.

    I know you Osprey fans will blast me on your thumbs count but. Id say stick with normal choppers leave hybrids like this for R&D only.

    • DGR

      You realize what they said when normal choppers were developed? Same thing. Maybe the Osprey needs work, but last I checked we have lost somewhere around 450 choppers since 9/11, they still crash the same as an Osprey.

      • mpower6428

        the statistics do not support your claim.

    • 6113

      “But with thousands of men doing things to the bird all the time its imposable to make sure every plane is 100% flyable.”

      This statement makes absoluetly no sense…

      • ghostwhowalksnz

        Lets just land the copters at a mid point to refuel before proceeding- like that worked before.
        Longer range, faster flight higher altitude – who needs those nice to haves

        • tiger

          That was just dumb…..

    • tiger

      You sound like people back in the day talking about how great biplanes And Airships were.

  • Medic10Zulu

    Of course blame it on the pilots even thought the people who make this and do matienance need to check it it even says in the article alot of people are leaning towards engine failure and the tilting system o well I hope the pilots are ok

  • Black Owl

    This is what happens when you rush something into production. I’m sure we’ll see similar things happen with the F-35 and LCS.

  • Guest B

    If it’s pilot error, then it’s probably too complicated an aircraft to be flown without further computer aided assistance enhancements for human control? These aircraft aren’t new in any way, the program started as far back as 1981, has gone through several redesigns since then, as well as several years worth of groundings, and even almost scrapped at one point. I would have thought by now they might even have turbine only propulsion, instead of just rotor blades, over 30 years later, but that’s government for you? But then again some people think Blackhawks are modern technology, not realizing they were started all the way back in 1972 during the Vietnam War. Unfortunately it is not uncommon, with our government so far behind the ball, that by the time they fully roll out a new weapons or equipment program, it’s already almost obsolete and old technology. Blackhawk, Hummer, Osprey, Hydrofoils, M-16 and more. But with all the drones out there now, that’s all going to change. Take the human pilot out of the equation, the race for the future grows exponentially, and yet the technology will ultimately land back in the pilots hands one day again. The rocket came first, then the astronaut, not the other way around!

    • Black Owl

      Let me ask you this: what determines if the technology is obsolete or old? How old is too old. Those weapon systems you just named are still more advanced than a vast majority of what the rest of the world can produce. What makes them obsolete?

    • ghostwhowalksnz

      A turnine doesnt provide enough lift at low speeds. Its the same for all helicopters, why they use rotors for lift, even when they have a turbine powering the gearbox.

      Your ideas about drones dont match reality. They still have pilots, just they arent onboard. Their crash rates are even worse than helicopters , even when they takeoff and land on normal runways

  • mpower6428

    its not a bad airplane, they’re not bad pilots and aircrew, its a bad theory.

    with out a way to transfer power from one plant to the other… this thing will continue to be dangerous.

    it was a good run, alot of smart people gave it their best shot but, its never gonna “be” and “do” what we were sold.

  • Michael Stewart

    Believe there have been at least 45 fatalities in the Harrier program. Seems no one ever talks about that system being a failure and the concept is being continued with the F35.

  • dan

    There was a lengthy series in the LA times a few years back about the flawed Harrier. At least they have ejection seats.

  • Dfens

    I’m sure the Air Force has nothing to hide, just like how they have been perfectly forthcoming about the F-22.
    ————————————-
    The rate of hypoxia or hypoxia-like incidents reported among F-22 pilots through May 31, 2012 was 26.43 per 100,000 flight hours, according to the latest Air Force disclosure. The F-16, in contrast, has a rate of 2.96.

    The Air Force also says that there have been “a total of six unknown cause ground incidents involving a maintainer having hypoxia-like symptoms since return to flight in September 2011. The most recent incident occurred in December 2011. These incidents are not included in the in-flight rates since they occur on the ground.”

    The new information differs sharply from previous reports. As recently as this week, according to the press release, the Air Force said that the F-22 hypoxia rate was “relatively low.” — http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2012/06/air-forc

  • tiger

    Dgr you called it right. Not a clue about details, yet the “experts” have stuff to say.

  • phrogdriver

    80% of all aircraft mishaps across all type/model/series are pilot error. Fact, not conspiracy.

    For another example, there have been two AH-1W Cobra crashes, both with 100% fatalities just in the last 9 months. Pilot error, you say? They weren’t the fault of the aircraft, you say? IT’S A CONSPIRACY! WE MUST GROUND THOSE UNSAFE AIRCRAFT! IF YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, YOU’RE A CORPORATE SHILL!

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