Why is Japan Suddenly Freaked Out by the Osprey? (Updated)

As reported by our sister blog DoD Buzz, last week the Japanese government balked at USMC basing a squadron of V-22s in Okinawa — a development that certainly surprised the Marine Corps (and DoD) and demonstrated that, for all of its flight hours across the globe, the airplane’s bad reputation still lingers.

Or does it?

Some defense industry insiders claim that the hubub around V-22 basing in and around Japan has little to do with concerns about aircraft safety and a lot to do with the politics of Okinawa versus the Japanese mainland.  “You have one percent of the population hosting 74 percent of the country’s military capability,” said one defense official.  Apparently the governor of Okinawa is looking for any reason to make an issue out of U.S. military basing in his region — and the V-22 gave him a couple of reasons in recent months. 

An MV-22 crashed April 22 near Agadir, Morocco while participating in Exercise African Lion, and a CV-22 Osprey crashed June 13 during a training mission north of Navarre, Fla., injuring five crew members.

While the mishap investigations are not final, DoD has allowed that the Marine Corps crash was not caused by a mechanical failure, which could be code for “pilot error”  or another factor like weather or a bird strike, etc.  That is ironically good news in the case of foreign government concerns in that it says that the airplane isn’t inherently dangerous.

 The Osprey’s checkered test history lives in defense procurement and military aviation infamy, no doubt.  But the Marine Corps is quick to point out that — in spite of its extensive time in test and development — the V-22 is still relatively young from an operational point of view.  (The Corps just surpassed 115,000 flight hours on the MV-22B variant and SOCOM (AFSOC) has flown 25,000 flight hours.)  The Osprey has done a number of high-profile ops, including the rescue of a downed aviator in Libya last year.

At this writing the first squadron of WESTPAC-based Ospreys are headed for Japan aboard a commercial ship.  Once they arrive they’ll fly a couple of post-transit check hops out of MCAS Iwakuni — and that’s it.  At that point they’ll sit and wait for the results of both mishap investigations to be finalized and presented to the Japanese government, which should happen around late July.  The ultimate plan is to have both USMC and SOCOM Ospreys forward-deployed out of Futenma Air Base in Okinawa.

Some airplanes outgrow their bad reputations.  (The Tomcat comes to mind.)  Others never do.  (The Harrier comes to mind.)  What camp will the Osprey ultimately fall into?

Breaking news:  Okinawa’s governor rejects the plan.

  • What was the Tomcat’s bad rap? The compressor stalls?

    • Sir Sapo

      Violent compressor stalls that resulted in more than a few aircraft losses. The TF-30 wasn’t the greatest fighter engine in the world which left the Tomcat pretty underpowered until the B and D upgrades.

    • krypton

      Worse than that, the plane was becoming a publicity problem (large two-man crew deaths often are), which is why they dragged in your obedient Scientologist to do a recruiting film about it.

      The A-4 was really hot. So was Kelly McGillis.

  • Ward

    Yeah . . . that and high AOA performance.

  • Dfens

    What could possibly have gone wrong? We told them it was the pilots who sucked and not the aircraft, but still they don’t want our “worthless” pilots flying that aircraft in their airspace. Yeah, who would have possibly seen that result coming? Idiots.

  • Hunter76

    Yeah, the rapes are hard to forgive. The military should have the right to yield some cases to local jurisprudence.

  • Lance

    The V-22 is NOT a real advantage compared to helicopters or fixed wing transports via C-130. Overall most defense experts wanted to abandon the V-22 but politics saved this POJ. Overall newer choppers like some newer CH-53 would be far better to base in crowded Japan than this plan which has and will always have crash issues.

  • jamesb

    Marine One fleet duties?

    • WILd

      They surely wouldn’t trust it to fly the POTUS around.

  • majr0d

    The Japanese don’t like Ospreys? No problem, they didn’t like nukes either.

    We aren’t flying the local nationals around in the Osprey.

  • Mike

    Unfortunately, most very young Marines are loaded with testosterone, and when they drink, they can and do make asses of themselves. Not that all branches have this problem, but the Marines have a larger segment of chest thumpers than the other branches.

  • Chiketah

    The Chinese don’t want us in Japan because the V-22 can launch combat loaded Marines straight from Okinawa, drop them in an LZ in China, and return to base or a friendly country for fuel. China pays the protesters to sit outside all day, they make the news, Okinawans see the news, raise questions, osprey crashes, Osprey “unsafe”, diplomatic nightmare, China wins. Except they don’t because the Ospreys are going whether they like it or not.

    • tiger

      What in the Wide, wide, world of sports?? What is a plane load of Marines going to do in a Nation of a Billion & a half people???? Even Sterling Archer & ISIS would have a better plan than that one.

    • blight_

      I learned in Halo that a small force of Marines can change the fate of the universe.

  • meatpopsicle

    Last time I checked we won the war. Tough shit japan.

    • JackBlack

      Eat crap, so by your terms you invade and conquer a sovereign country, right, middle ages much? Why did we lose Nam, and Korea and Columbia and…

      • krypton

        The marines learned in the South Pacific that a lot of Marines could get killed by a bunch of lunatics with granades, and usable rifles, wearing loincloths.

    • tiger

      Please come into the year 2012?

    • DrSique

      Not to mention, meat, that we supply and fund most of the defense for the effin ingrates. Perhaps a few boatloads of nuclear tipped tomahawks would be easier for them to swallow.

  • Pappa51

    I have always thought that we should leave Japan, Germany, Korea, etc to stand up for themselves. They complain and moon over some incident then if we leave there economy goes to pot. I say save the money and the man power, bring our guys home, let the locals protect themselves and stop living on our dime.
    Cheers

    • guest

      Yup. Those countries will still be there the next time we have to fight our way clear across the world to get to them again.

    • Thomas L. Nielsen

      “….then if we leave there economy goes to pot. I say save the money and the man power, bring our guys home, let the locals protect themselves and stop living on our dime.”

      So the economies of Germany and Japan would collapse if the US pulled its forces (such as they are) home? And the Germans and the Japanese are “living on your (US) dime”? Seriously?

      And “They complain and moon over some incident….”? Of course they complain when someone commits a crime (which is what we’re talking about – not “some incident”). Just like someone in the US would certainly complain if I were to commit a crime in, say, Washington DC.

      Regards & all,

      Thomas L. Nielsen
      Luxembourg

    • FH001

      I’m a Japanese.
      Regarding the money for USFJ, we pay it all ourselves from 1970’s. http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/zaibeigun/us_keih

      Besides that, I thank them because our defense force and our government’s diplomatic skill has been too poor. And I’m also worrying about Okinawa’s economy without USFJ or any other armed force to deploy there. That freaking out is not our national movement. Actually I heard people saying that it is partial fever. Mainly these people do not live in Okinawa. Neither do I.

      It contains our domestic gap between Okinawa and other areas from the wartime. Okinawa is an only area where people experience land battle. And they reverted to Japan 1972, 27years after the WW2 ended.

  • Mitch S.

    Had a brief visit to Okinawa about ten years ago.
    Found that officially they were pissed at the Americans, but if you spoke to the old timers (at least in Japanese) they’d tell you they remember how badly the Japanese treated them before the battle and they appreciate the way the Americans cared for them.
    They also know if it weren’t for the military Tokyo would completely ignore them. And if the Japanese took a bigger role the Okinawans would have nobody to complain to if abuses occurred (Mainland Japanese look down on Okinawans as not being “real Japanese”).

    If the US announced that we agree and in fact will pull all our forces off Oki I wonder how that governor would do in the next election.

    • UAVgeek

      He’d do really well. Obviously you don’t speak enough Japanese to know what they REALLY think.

    • terry

      We killed 25% of Okinawans as we liberated them from the Japanese. We turned that beautiful island into a barren rock. No, they didn’t like that.

  • JackBlack

    Unfortunately this heli crap is news still and not history.

  • JBomb

    First off we are not in Japan to protect Japan, we are in Japan to protect our interests in the region. Second, if America pulled out of Japan their military is not strong enough to protect the country by itself and it would take a significant amount of time to build it up to do so. Therefore if that is the direction we want to take, it needs to be a long term plan to allow them to do so without leaving them vulnerable, and that would include changing their laws we implemented at the end of WW2. Thirdly, and I am surprised the governor doesn’t realize that if we pulled out of Okinawa the local Okinawa economy would be devastated.

  • Roland

    Probably it’s the size, sound and the falling part…

  • Sandra

    G2mil has a new article about this mess. First, our senators have openly rejected the idea of spending $24 billion to move 4000 Marines to Guam (not 9000 as reported). Half the Marines are leaving Okinawa, Futenma, Kinser and Foster are closing, Kadena is downsizing, and some Marine aircraft will move up to Kadena, which is ten times larger. That is the plan endorsed by Senator Webb, McCain, and Levin. This costs nothing and makes a lot of sense if you read the details.

  • Old Navy

    Tell them it beats the B29’s. As for the Marines, Semper Fi…Let the Japanese go it alone. They will be speaking Chinese in two three generations. A side note I wonder when the Chinese will build a aircraft like the V22. Guess no American/Canadian company has sold them the info/software/code or they, the Chinese, haven’t stolen the info on their own.

  • Philippines here we come!

  • SP/4 Chapman

    How ’bout we put a end to foreign aid ( internat’l welfare ) and bring our people home and then we can spend that money at home.!

  • Mastro

    The brass just might to want to pass on any “Osprey flights for Okinawan orphans” PR stunts.

    At least until the safety record matches that of the 747 or so.

  • tiger

    The V-22 has a better record than many other Boeing products. I’ll take it over a 737 or Chinnook any day.

  • Tiger
  • atiboy14

    They are freaked out because the Osprey is a flying coffin and never should have entered service

  • Lcpl Petersen

    Straight up, if you really wanna see the Japanese shit bricks, get all the military personnel stationed on the Japanese islands to order and wear Sea Shepard T-shirts. The fuckers are still whaling in the southern arctic whale preserves…even after an international moratorium was ratified by over a hundred countries.

  • japanisgay.org

    Because japan is gay

  • BILLE

    YOU ARE ALL DUMB.. THE OKINAWANS WANT THE BASES THERE, YEAH, SOME BAD THINGS HAPPEN.. I.E. RAPE AND WHATEVER.. BUT HMMMMM YUUP THEIR ENTIRE ECONOMY IS SUPPORTED BY ALL THE US PERSONNELL THERE. ITS THE MAINLAND THAT DRIVES THE PUSH TO HAVE IT ALL REMOVED. AGAIN, YOU ARE ALL DUMB