MH17 Wreckage Photo Shows Evidence of Shrapnel

MH17 ShrapnelThe Financial Times posted a photo of what appears to be wreckage from the Malaysian Airlines jetliner peppered with shrapnel damage from an anti-aircraft missile.

The international community has pressed for an investigation into the cause of the Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-17 crash, However, many, including U.S. officials, have said the evidence points to pro-Russian separatists shooting down the passenger jet with an advanced surface-to-air missile system capable of hitting an aircraft flying at 33,000 feet.

The photographed wreckage above adds to that mounting collection of evidence. 

SAM systems destroy aircraft by exploding in the airspace in which the aircraft is flying. The resulting shrapnel destroys the aircraft.

Reports have surfaced of a Russian SA-11 system moving in eastern Ukraine, a medium sized SAM system that would produce shrapnel about the size of the holes seen in the Financial Times photo. The Buk M1 system also has the range to hit an aircraft traveling at that speed and altitude.

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Michael Hoffman
Michael Hoffman is the executive editor at Tandem NSI and a contributor to Military.com. He can be reached at mhoffman@tandemnsi.com.
  • S O

    “The Buk M1 system also has the range to hit an aircraft traveling at that speed and altitude.”

    That would be ‘effective ceiling’, nor ‘range’.

    The photo looks like a cockpit section, which would rule out a disintegration of a turbofan as the source of troubles.

    • Phono

      I also think it’s a cockpit section too. Doesn’t an explosion in front rule out an AAM, because it’s usually shot from a following plane?

      • S O

        AAMs could be fired at a plane from any angle, and a radar guided one would more likely than not hit the nose and knock out the cockpit crew instantly.

        • Phono

          For me the russian radar-pictures are hard to decode. As I understood it the ominous SU25 have been behind MH17. The russians said around 3-5 km. That’s way too far for the “KBP Grjasew-Schipunow GSch-30-2” to hit MH17 – I would think. And the “Wympel R-60” is an infrared-tracking AAM that – in my unprofessional opinion – would target the jet-exhaust not the cockpit.

          So that makes no sense in respect to the discussed part of the wreckage.

          PS: I heared about the cited weapons in another discussion. I’m not nearly have any clue, I’m just trying to apply some logic on what we see.

    • drone

      c0ckpit?! Watch your language mate.

      • Guest

        Gotta do some ****ysis of the ****pit wreckage before we come to any ***uptions.

  • ghostwhowalksnz

    Or they could have propped it up against the post and let loose a burst of automatic fire.
    The shoot down by a missile is the most likely ., but as ever a lot of early information should be discounted as false or jumping to conclusions

    • ghostwhowalksnz

      There have been more pictures of shrapnel in the wreckage. Those seem more natural settings than this one propped up. The more pictures make it pretty conclusive it was a missile.

      The other shots of a missile unit ( or some covered item) on the back of a transporter , supposedly heading back to Russia could be staged anywhere in Ukriane.
      The idea seems to have pics where there are plenty of Russians, including Knightsbridge

    • cptjohnpaul

      The display is very unfortunate for the Russian soldier who did not find it in time to maintain Plausible deniability!

  • iknow

    THE ROVING EYE
    It was Putin’s missile!
    By Pepe Escobar

    And here’s the spin war verdict: the current Malaysia Airlines tragedy – the second in four months – is “terrorism” perpetrated by “pro-Russian separatists”, armed by Russia, and Vladimir Putin is the main culprit. End of story. Anyone who believes otherwise, shut up.

    Why? Because the CIA said so. Because Hillary “We came, we saw, he died” Clinton said so. Because batshit crazy Samantha “R2P” Power said so – thundering at the UN, everything duly printed by the neo-con infested Washington Post. [1]

    Because Anglo-American corporate media – from CNN to Fox (who tried to buy Time Warner, which owns CNN) – said so. Because the President of the United States (POTUS) said so. And mostly because Kiev had vociferously said so in the first place.

    Right off the bat they were all lined up – the invariably hysterical reams of “experts” of the “US intelligence community” literally foaming at their palatial mouths at “evil” Russia and “evil” Putin; intel “experts” who could not identify a convoy of gleaming white Toyotas crossing the Iraqi desert to take Mosul. And yet they have already sentenced they don’t need to look any further, instantly solving the MH17 riddle.

    It doesn’t matter that President Putin has stressed the MH17 tragedy must be investigated objectively. And “objectively” certainly does not mean that fictional “international community” notion construed by Washington – the usual congregation of pliable vassals/patsies.

    to be continued

    • iknow

      And what about Carlos?
      A simple search at reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower?

      Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.

      It won’t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.

      The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17’s crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft.

      Radiation from a battery’s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17’s flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles. MH17 was flying at 500 mph. So assuming the “rebels” had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high. For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.

      And then there’s the curiouser and curiouser story of Carlos, the Spanish air traffic controller working at Kiev’s tower, who was following MH17 in real time. For some Carlos is legit – not a cipher; for others, he’s never even worked in Ukraine. Anyway he tweeted like mad. His account – not accidentally – has been shut down, and he has disappeared; his friends are now desperately looking for him. I managed to read all his tweets in Spanish when the account was still online – and now copies and an English translation are available.

      to be continued

      • iknow

        These are some of his crucial tweets:

        “The B777 was escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets minutes before disappearing from radar (5.48 pm)”
        “If the Kiev authorities want to admit the truth 2 fighter jets were flying very close a few minutes before the incident but did not shoot down the airliner (5.54)”
        “As soon as the Malaysia Airlines B777 disappeared the Kiev military authority informed us of the shooting down. How did they know? (6.00)”
        “Everything has been recorded on radar. For those that don’t believe it, it was taken down by Kiev; we know that here (in traffic control) and the military air traffic control know it too (7.14)”
        “The Ministry of the Interior did know that there were fighter aircraft in the area, but the Ministry of Defense didn’t. (7.15)”
        “The military confirm that it was Ukraine, but it is not known where the order came from. (7.31)”

        Carlos’s assessment (a partial compilation of his tweets is collected here http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spani… ): the missile was fired by the Ukraine military under orders of the Ministry of Interior – NOT the Ministry of Defense. Security matters at the Ministry of the Interior happen to be under Andriy Parubiy, who was closely working alongside US neo-cons and Banderastan neo-nazis on Maidan.

        Assuming Carlos is legit, the assessment makes sense. The Ukrainian military are divided between Chocolate king President Petro Poroshenko – who would like a d?tente with Russia essentially to advance his shady business interests – and Saint Yulia Timoshenko, who’s on the record advocating genocide of ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. US neo-cons and US “military advisers” on the ground are proverbially hedging their bets, supporting both the Poroshenko and Timoshenko factions.

        to be continued

        • iknow

          So who profits?
          The key question remains, of course, cui bono? Only the terminally brain dead believe shooting a passenger jet benefits the federalists in Eastern Ukraine, not to mention the Kremlin.

          As for Kiev, they’d have the means, the motive and the window of opportunity to pull it off – especially after Kiev’s militias have been effectively routed, and were in retreat, in the Donbass; and this after Kiev remained dead set on attacking and bombing the population of Eastern Ukraine even from above. No wonder the federalists had to defend themselves.

          And then there’s the suspicious timing. The MH17 tragedy happened two days after the BRICS announced an antidote to the IMF and the World Bank, bypassing the US dollar. And just as Israel “cautiously” advances its new invasion/slow motion ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Malaysia, by the way, is the seat of the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission, which has found Israel guilty of crimes against humanity.

          Washington, of course, does profit. What the Empire of Chaos gets in this case is a ceasefire (so the disorganized, battered Kiev militias may be resupplied); the branding of Eastern Ukrainians as de facto “terrorists” (as Kiev, Dick Cheney-style, always wanted); and unlimited mud thrown over Russia and Putin in particular until Kingdom Come. Not bad for a few minutes’ work. As for NATO, that’s Christmas in July.

          From now on, it all depends on Russian intelligence. They have been surveying/tracking everything that happens in Ukraine 24/7. In the next 72 hours, after poring over a lot of tracking data, using telemetry, radar and satellite tracking, they will know which type of missile was launched, where from, and even produce communications from the battery that launched it. And they will have access to forensic evidence.

          Unlike Washington – who already knows everything, with no evidence whatsoever (remember 9/11?) – Moscow will take its time to know the basic journalistic facts of what, where, and who, and engage on proving the truth and/or disproving Washington’s spin.

          to be continued

          • iknow

            The historical record shows Washington simply won’t release data if it points to a missile coming from its Kiev vassals. The data may even point to a bomb planted on MH17, or mechanical failure – although that’s unlikely. If this was a terrible mistake by the Novorossiya rebels, Moscow will have to reluctantly admit it. If Kiev did it, the revelation will be instantaneous. Anyway we already know the hysterical Western response, no matter what; Russia is to blame.

            Putin is more than correct when he stressed this tragedy would not have happened if Poroshenko had agreed to extend a cease-fire, as Merkel, Hollande and Putin tried to convince him in late June. At a minimum, Kiev is already guilty because they are responsible for safe passage of flights in the airspace they – theoretically – control.

            But all that is already forgotten in the fog of war, tragedy and hype. As for Washington’s hysterical claims of credibility, I leave you with just one number: Iran Air 655.

            Notes:
            1. Missile Downs Malaysia Airlines Plane Over Ukraine Killing 298, Kiew Blames Rebels, Washington Post, July 18, 2014.

            Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007), Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge (Nimble Books, 2007), and Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

            He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com.

            (Copyright 2014 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)

          • iknow

            link for “simple search” in Escobar’s article:

            http://pt.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/histo

            link for “check here” in Escobar’s article:

            http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/break

    • https://www.facebook.com/paperpushermj Matthew Jacobs

      5 Paragraphs in search of a point

      • german

        Not as easy to follow as “American Idol” or “Dancing with the Stars”, isn’t it?

      • Guest

        Ivan there has gotta earn his dinner. If you don’t work, you don’t eat, tovarich. I’m not even mad.

    • Anthony

      You are accurate what about the missles in Isreal who,s are those?Its the war com and co..

      • iknow

        Missiles in Israel? Too easy, they were from the US. The Murders Inc in Israel is jointly run by the US and Israel, with supports from the UK and France.

  • lance

    Who cares. Who is dumb enough to fly a commercial planes threw a war zone were both sides uses SAMs and one has MIGs. They lost Frogfoots in that area before, they knew the risk Malaysian airlines is at fault as much as the SAM operator.

    Face it like Obama wanted war for his Islam buddies in Syria last year he wants the Euro maiden losers to win for NATO in Ukraine this is USA lammo 101

    • german

      The US is promoting / instigating / directing / participating in many wars / conflicts in many parts of the world. Using your line of reasoning, many commercial airlines should cease operations. Too juvenile to posit as an adult, don’t you think?

    • Jerry

      MAS has a right, as do other carriers, to flight over hostile environments, unless a NOTAM or SIB has been issued to prevent flying within a hostile areas. I have made many trips from Bangkok to Europe and that part of Asia, prior to these actions. We flew over , Iran, Iraqi, Pakistan, Afganistan. I flew on three different carriers on these trips. There is now an EASA SIB Restricting flying over this area. The government in Kiev would have know by the aircrafts Transponder it was a civilian commercial airliner. I do not knnow if the Militants have that capability.

  • Hans

    Putin has been playing Obama like a violin ever since he got back to power. Obama is so out of his league. And the rest of the world suffers.
    Thanks Americans for electing this idiot to office, twice!

    • iknow

      Agreed. Putin might have deliberately delayed the release of incriminating evidence against Kiev and its US handlers to let Obama humiliate himself in front of the world – giving Obama a long rope to hang himself, so to speak.

      In Obama’s defense though, he’s not really the real decision maker in Washington; nor are any of those donkeys in Congress.

    • S O

      Putin didn’t play Obama like a violin for the simple reason that the U.S. is largely irrelevant in the Ukraine. Decisive action is unrealistic considering that it could lead to a nuclear war on proxy territory.

      And McCain would by now have invaded Libya and Syria, bombed Iran … Republicans cannot really complain about Obama because they offered the even worse candidates to the voters AND they’re the ones who got the county into the depression and two costly idiotic wars.

      • nancy

        Have been you spending your last 2 years in a cave?

      • iknow

        S O, you are correct in saying that Mitt Romney was a far worse human being and candidate.

        You are totally wrong in saying that the U.S. is largely irrelevant in Ukraine. Obama is irrelevant, since he’s just a puppet and so has to follow the wishes of the Establishment.

        The US started the war in Ukraine, and is actively participating in it.

  • nancy

    If you must defecate, learn to use the toilet, boy.

  • Michael Harrison

    Now, here’s the fun part: The photo above shows round ball damage as from a BYK missile. There are also photos showing slashes from frangible rods, as from a air to air missile. But, an air to air missile neccesarily implicates the Kiev government.

    • S O

      Expanding / continuous rod warheads are also mounted on some SAM types abd we don’t know for certain what range of warheads were built into which Soviet/Russian SAMs.

      Also, it’s bollocks that AAM means the Kiev government did it. The Russian air force has AAMs with which it could even have killed the plane without entering Ukrainian airspace.

  • Michael Harrison

    If there were in fact two missiles, one ground to air and the other air to air, there is no way that this was an accident. It had to be intentional. And by the Kiev government.

    • Phono

      Ukraine is winnig the war against the russian backed Separatists and has no need to further spread the conflict – the probability that Separatist did it accidentally is much more conclusive than any construction of an intentionally shootdown by Kiev forces – of which they could only gain a stepback of international support … Kiev is not that desperate, but the Separatists are …

      • nancy

        Pure, unadulterated BS.

  • LPF

    My word I just have to ask , do you guys paid by post or does Putin give you a salary? Seriously its so obvious, but I have to admit you not making the usual mistakes when using a foreign language bravo.

    Such a shame we can’t see post histories or IP address ranges, would make some intresting reading I reckon.

    • Artyr

      Totally agree, the same his happening in almost all blogs of relevance, always the same pro-russian pree-planned speech, I’m sick of it.

      • frisky

        Agreed. Its almost pouring out of their posts that they are pro Russia if not russian.

        • Blue Jay

          Gee, LPF, how many accounts are you using here? 10? 20?

          And you wanna talk about getting paid. LOL.

          This is not about pro-Russian or pro-American. This is about pro-truth, pro-facts, and pro-justice.

          You are so pathetic in blindly following the already debunked official propaganda from a demonstrably reckless and irresponsible government.

          • https://www.facebook.com/kim.scholer.9 Kim Scholer

            Occasionally I talk to people who claim the cold war is over long time ago. Wish I could give them your phone number.

    • Blue Jay

      You deserve a picture like this:

      https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2895/14057923668_0

      Anyone who follow the media/official propaganda and point fingers at the Russians or Independence Seekers in E. Ukraine deserve a picture like this.

      • Stan

        Excellent, Blue Jay. That’s the reality of people who blindly follow the American, corporate, mainstream media.

    • jak

      I’m sure you trolls always complaining would be interesting as well.

  • LPF

    Russians fed conspiracy theories on Ukraine crash
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/1145

    I don’t think their the only ones judging by this thread!

    • Rose

      Coming from you, negative credibility can be safely presumed without reading your links.

  • Falcon

    That picture is in fact part of the outside of the cockpit. This is from the front of the aircraft. IF any of the crew survived, we might get something from the voice recorders. In my opinion, we will not have anything but silence. Damage that extensive to the nose of the aircaft at the speed the airliner was traveling at would have ripped it apart pretty quick.

  • Rob

    To me its just another stupid day in a stupid world. Never enough proof to convince everyone of anything. No 2 people agree. All sides deny responsibilities. A bunch of people died for no good reason. Their existence seemingly means nothing. Both sides drift farther apart. Most people better off ignoring all media because your views only confuse things even worse. A tech site made into a let’s play detective forum. What a joke. Don’t ever question why someone you know kills themselves. It’s this madness all around that pushes them to it.

  • nancy

    Zerohedge (one of the best and real information websites) is also carrying a story on MH17 similar to Escobar’s analysis posted by iknow.

    Zerohedge also has a large base of truly educated and well-informed readers, judging by the comments. (though lately, many idiots, sheeples and mainstream media junkies are stinking up the comment sections).
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/ron-paul

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-s

    • dabvidgmills

      I wouldn’t trust Zerohedge with my portfolio much less rely on anything else they say about what is going on in the world.

  • moondawg

    Have they ruled out a fuel tank explosion, similar to what caused Flt 800 out of NY to fall out of the sky. People claimed it was shot down by a missile, but was proved to be a spark in an almost empty fuel tank.

    • Palmguy

      A plane minutes into a flight from New York to Paris didn’t have an almost empty fuel tank.

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  • iknow

    Have you guys seen this story? Be sure to follow up on this piece. The US government has been hijacked by War Profiteers since the end of WWII. LB Johnson had exclaimed upon assuming presidency that “We had been running a damned Murders Inc. in the Caribbean.”

    US Refuses To Take Back 13 Dead CIA Spies Killed In Ukraine

    http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004435629/ShowTh

    A stunning Ministry of Defense (MoD) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the United States has refused to repatriate the bodies of 13 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) military operatives killed when their helicopters were shot down by pro-federalist forces on the outskirts of Slavyansk, eastern Ukraine this past Friday.

    According to this report, on 2 May the Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion of the 25th Separate Dnipropetrovsk Airborne Brigade of the Ukrainian Army, which had defected to the side of the pro-federalists in April, fired upon and downed two Russian made Mil Mi-17 transport helicopters belonging to the Ukrainian Air Force that had been attempting to land CIA military “command and control” operatives into the battle zone of Slavyansk.

    Of the 14 CIA military operatives aboard the two Mil Mi-17’s, this report continues, only one survived, who was initially identified as Captain Savuilov [photo 2nd left], but whose subsequent questioning revealed him to be an employee of the American mercenary company named Greystone Ltd.

    • iknow

      WikiLeaks : Ukraine ‘s new president was a U.S. State Department informants

      story in the same pcmag discussion thread as above.

  • iknow

    U.S. Prepares to Blame MH17 Shoot Down on Ukrainian Army “Defector”
    Washington fixing intelligence around pre-ordained policy

    by Paul Joseph Watson | July 23, 2014

    In an attempt to explain away the existence of evidence which shows Ukrainian troops firing the missile that brought down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, Washington may be preparing to fix the intelligence by pinning the blame on a “defector” in order to absolve Kiev.

    As we reported on Monday, award winning former AP and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry was told by an intelligence source that the U.S. is in possession of images which show men dressed in Ukrainian Army uniforms operating the Buk missile system which shot down MH17.

    If proven accurate, such information would completely eviscerate Washington and Kiev’s already shaky narrative that Russian-backed separatist rebels were responsible for the attack.

    The U.S. State Department now appears to be shifting the emphasis of its narrative to discount the possibility that Kiev itself was responsible for shooting down MH17. As the L.A. Times reported yesterday, “U.S. officials said it was possible the SA-11 [anti-aircraft missile] was launched by a defector from the Ukrainian military who was trained to use similar missile systems.”

    Blaming the incident on a “defector” would allow the U.S. to explain why the culprit was wearing a Ukrainian Army uniform when he shot down the airliner.

    [full article available on Infowars website]

    • platypusfriend

      Nice try.

    • blight_asdf

      Uniforms mean jack all. Pakistani insurgents can buy American uniforms in black markets because our supplies are routinely intercepted. Ukranian garrisons were overrun and presumably all of their supplies were made available to anyone.

      If the shootdown was by surface to air missile it requires a nation-state’s operators, either Ukranian, defected Ukranians or Russians manning Ukranian systems. If by air to air, it requires the Russian Air Force or the Ukranian Air Force.

      The “false flag theory” is difficult to disprove because it capitalizes on cynicism about the motive of nation states the inherent difficulty of disproving a negative (negative being that thing A had nothing to do with thing B).

      • Blue Jay

        And the Ukrainian Air Control was also temporarily manned by Russians. And the Ukrainian Air Force units were also temporarily manned by Russians because they all were standing by as the two Su-25s “hijacked by the Russians” were flying around and following the Malaysian airliner INSIDE Ukrainian air space.

        I can train monkeys to think better than that.

  • Jerry

    I do not knnow who fired the missile. Looking at the photo of a portion of the aircraft, this of the Left Hand Forward Fuselage and what you see it part of the Capts Windshield (L1 Window) and (L2 Side Window). judging from the amount of shrapnel holes the explosion more then likely killed the Flight Crew and resulted in lose of control of the aircraft. The shrapnel could have caused enough wiring damage in the Flight Deck to also cause con trol of the aircraft. I do not see a way to attach a photo, but I have one of another MAS B777-200ER which I inspected in 2012 and thhis shows the lovcation of this piece of fuselage.

  • iknow

    Chaos in Ukraine. PM resigns. The puppet government is in shambles.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-24/meanwhil

  • iknow

    Whistleblower: U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17

    Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/whistleblower-u-s-sa

  • Vlad

    The picture is the good proof that the shrapnel was hitting the plain from inside. Take a look how metal is being punched. Not from outside. It’s being punched from inside – sign of the bomb exploding in the pilot cabin

  • Deutsch

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on Ukraine, Russia and the US:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da8_1406067165#Sbe

  • JackStrap77

    A set of high resolution photos of the panel shown above have been published by Geroen Akkerman on Flicker. Close scrutiny of them reveals that this section of the cokkpit contains a considerable number of 1.25 inch diameter round holes. Some have their metal rim furling outwards and others furling inwards. As well as this there are shrapnel punctures to the metal skin with the metal curling outwards. Inspection of fuselage photos reveal that all the punctures are in the cokkpit except for several diagonal grazes on the wings leading to the cokkpit. Puncture wounds to the skin of the aircraft appear to be confined solely to the cokkpit apart from some round 1.25 inch holes in a section of the fuselage near to the cokkpit. The tight grouping of holes in the side of the cokkpit seems inconsistent with a nearby proximity burst or with a direct impact. Unless the shrapnel from an anti aircraft warhead consists exclusively of 1.25 inch diameter ball bearings that have an approximately horizontal trajectory and can be accurately targeted onto the side wall of the cokkpit, something else must be responsible.

  • Ptheta

    As if the US backed Ukrainian military doesn’t have Russian equipment too.

  • wex

    Finally, after examination or the wreckage and other evidence, all sources of intelligence including the US have concluded that MH17 was shot down by Ukrainian fighter jets.

    There were numerous bullet holes on the fuselage.

    • wex

      here is one the well supported articles on this:

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conc

    • wex

      here is one the well supported articles on this:

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conc

      • wex

        I guess that’s why the mainstream media has gone totally mute on the story. Amazing there hasn’t even been a single apology for all the false information the talking heads had been spewing from day one.

        Nobody ask questions anymore?

    • tres

      Never thought it could have been any party beside the US backed Kiev puppets. Only the clueless idiots would believe stories told by the US government and its propaganda news networks CNN and Fox.

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