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FCS self-propelled artillery demonstrator

nloscfiring.jpgA reader at MO tipped me off to this beast. It's the NLOS-C (non-line-of-sight cannon) demonstrator, and it's fired over 1,000 rounds during testing near Yuma, AZ.

Regular Defense Tech readers will know that the FCS program is a plan with great potential but many questions and growing price tags. Not to mention swelling waistlines. Of all the FCS vehicles, though, this one seems to be the farthest along and on the right track. That's because the manufacturer, United Defense, already had a great deal of groundwork completed due to the canceled Crusader program:

United Defense designed and fielded NLOS-C CTD in just six months following Crusader program cancellation. CTD leverages Crusader technology, the M777 towed howitzer 39-caliber cannon, a fully automated ammunition handling system and a 20-ton highly mobile tracked platform. The current CTD has a magazine capable of holding 24 cannon projectiles and hybrid-electric (diesel electric) propulsion system providing fuel economy.

This particular beast seems to actually fit the concept of taking advantage of "off-the-shelf" components whenever possible that FCS was supposed to embrace. But it's a demonstrator and not the final product. However, a recent pile of money thrown in the general direction of FCS includes funds to accelerate the NLOS-C development.

There are a number of other big-gun artillery/fire support options out there, as well.

The Stryker Mobile Gun System (MGS) is still having trouble and won't be fielded until at least 2007.

The Stryker crowd can take heart that there's also a LAV III-based 105mm mobile howitzer prototype that's been tested and apparently performed well. It was developed on spec, though, and there's no spare change available at the moment.

And four left-over M8 AGS (Armored Gun System) prototypes were supposed to be fielded with the 82nd Airborne, but there's been no news.

The M8 AGS was originally developed for the airborne. The XVIII Airborne Corps has looked at the French-built Ceasar, a 155mm howitzer mounted on a 6x6 truck for some big-barreled punch.

Canada is planning to purchase the troubled Stryker MGS, but some up north wonder if there aren't better alternatives available.

Some of these are fire support platforms, some are more like traditional self-propelled artillery, and the M8 AGS is really more of a light tank.

But FCS has the money (for now, at least), so the NLOS-C has to be considered the odds-on favorite. Meanwhile, the troops in the field continue to wonder if the big guns will ever be providing some cover and knocking in bunkers for them.

THERE'S MORE: Of course, big guns aren't the only way to make big holes. Missiles and advanced guidance are changing the way artillery support works.

callinginsomesmite1.jpgAND MORE: A commenter on my site noted that, for all the advanced gear and space-age weaponry, it will still all come down to the soldier. It's important that we don't lose sight of this. To underscore the importance of our men and women in uniform, I pointed out the pic on the front page of today's DefendAmerica.mil and wrote

There's probably very little on earth scarier than a US soldier or Marine with a map and a radio.

--posted by Murdoc

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Posted by: ESTOPIN at May 15, 2007 01:01 PM


"Nothing scarier than a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass" is the way we always used to tell it, after night marches that advanced perpendicular to the LD instead of toward it.

But Murdoc is right. Give an FO a map, a radio, and a set of binos, and he's one bad motorscooter.

Posted by: JAFO1989 at November 18, 2005 02:32 PM


Yeah, the LT bashing is all fun and good. But if he can call in some fires, he's scary in a totally different way to a totally different group of people.

If he can manage to get the grid right...

Posted by: Murdoc at June 24, 2005 12:11 PM


I think the original was something along the lines of 'There's nothing scarier (to his own folk) than a lieutenant with a map (and radio). ;)

Posted by: JSAllison at June 24, 2005 08:47 AM


Although the M-109 SP How. is commng on 50 years old the current A-6 configuration seems to work pretty well, especially in the reduced role that field artillery will play the "Transformed Army". From what I can see most Field Artillery will end up in the Army National Guard.

The M-8 AGS was an excellent idea that worked, it didn't have a prayer of being purchased by the Army. That 105mm Direct Fire Gun would have given a lot of additional firepower not only to the 82ed. ABD but also the 101st. AAD, the 10th. MD, 2ed. ACR, the 173ed. ABB the 25th. LID and the Marines at a reasonable cost. It's ability to be up armored would have made it an idea weapons platform for what we are dealing with in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Stryker is a mega problem. The Army will be stuck with 2000 (minus the 300 sent to Iraq) vehicles that will be of little more use then busting crack houses in East L.A. The only forseeable use for this dog will be in a Peace Keeping role, Patroling along the Mexican Border and for use by the place holders with in NATO.

With the reopening of the Abrams and Bradley production lines by December 31st. even the Army is seeing that that these thin skinned wheeled vehicles are not a Combat Vehicle. Both the M-1 Abrams and the M-2 Bradley are getting on in years but at this point they are what we have to fight the wars we have right now.

FCS is shaping up to be a typical miss managed boondoggle like many other large weapons projects. At some point in the future the Dept. of the Army will fire the two prime contractors and start over.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at June 23, 2005 10:39 PM


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