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Posted by: al at February 17, 2008 11:50 AM
Re: the BIDS and NBCRS, there's a little bureaucratic crap in there. Actually the Germans tested the NBCRS vehicle (since it is a Fuchs Spapanzer - I think) and it is survivable, it just was never tested to full DOD NBC contamination survivability (NBCCS) standards. Largely this was because the Army would have to use the $2+ million vehicle as a museum piece in Dugway when they were done testing with live agent. Same with the BIDS in a way - although each component of the system has been tested for survivability in live agent (to include live BW agent - anthrax), the entire whole vehicle plus systems haven't been tested because... we don't have a test chamber big enough. Yep. Director Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E) is that anal.
Solution is coming up, a few hundred million dollars in T&E equipment is going to Dugway and Eglin to build new chambers and add new equipment. May take a few years though. Can't speak for the Stryker's NBCCS issues though.
Posted by: J. at July 7, 2005 09:54 PM
Good Afternoon "The Master Timekeeper",
Sure. All of the problems and more for that matter were documented by a GAO report to Congress on the M-1126 Stryker in Iraq during the first quarter of this calender year. It was in Global Security's "Documents" for a couple of weeks as I recall.
You can add to the problems that I noted above the following that can be found in DoD Press Sheets since the Stryker program was authorized.
1. The LOS 105mm varient can't be made to work. Problems include recoile from the main gun that blows out suspension and tires, the 8 round auto loader has not been able to function as advertised, it's weight (nearing 30 tons) and the electronio fire control system (still being developed). The 105mm LOS is still on order from GM but not delivery date has been given, "It's still a work in progress."
2. The varients for fire supression (20mm V61 Gatling Gun), FAC/Artilley FO (Lazer targeting), 25mm Bushmaster (turret like the LAV-25), Tow/Hellfire Anti Tank (Hammerhead Launcher), 8" Rocket Launcher (6 Rockets) and the 155mm NLOS Field Artillery How. have all been put on hold or outright cancelled for various reasons. Those reasons include weight problems, lack of off road capabilities mainly.
The 8" Rocket Launcher has been developed with a truck body and the 155 NLOS Artillery is being developed on another platform, Bradley?. Stories on these two vehicles can be found in the archives of "Defense Tech".
A search of Stryker Web sites I'm sure will expand that list even more.
ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"
Posted by: Byron Skinner at July 6, 2005 05:00 PM
Skinner,
Some of your Stryker complaints I've heard, others are new. Can you provide links to any of your sources? Specifically, 2, 4 (references to "fried" electronics), 5 (I'm aware of several instances where the birdcage stopped RPGs, but none of a failure), and 7 (especially since the CROWS is being adapted for use on other platforms, which is counterintuitive if it sucks so badly).
I agree with the rest; I have doubts of my own about the Stryker and wish more information was available. To his end, thereofre, I'd like to know your sources!
Posted by: TheMasterTimekeeper at July 6, 2005 04:39 AM
Re. M-1126 Stryker,
The staff of POGO have been had. This is one of the militaries oldest games, take a hostile reporter (s), bring them to an Army post and let them play with the toys and talk with the "Troops".
The POGO stories says that Stryker has some advantages but some how fails to list them. Nor did they address the concerns about the Stryker, in case the forgot let me refresh them:
1. It is NOT air liftable by the C-130 ready for combat.
2. The 14mm side armor doesn't meet Mil. Spec's. for stopping 12.7mm rounds.
3. Modified for combat it is to heavy for it's engine and drive train. Because of this the 300 units in Iraq are being recycled in theater with rotating units. All of the Strykers still in service in Iraq have had at least one engine and transmission replacement.
4. Because it has no A/C all the fancy electronics fried.
5. The "Bird Cage" put around the vehicle to stop RPG's doesn't work. Rolls of chain link lencing like those used in Vietnam are still more effective in stopping an RPG round. Because of this short comming the Army no longer considers the Stryker a Combat Fightig Vehicle but a Peace Keeping Vehicle.
In Iraq the Stryker has been kept OUT ofmany engagements because it was to fragile.
6. Because of weight weapons are limited to a single station. This gives the Stryker the same firepower an an M-1114 HUMVEE at twenty times the cost.
7. The remote weapons station is to slow to be effective in combat. The turret taked 60 sec. to do a 360 drg. transverse.
8. Because of it's excess weight ruber tires can't support the vehicle and drivers muct check tire pressures several times a day.
9. Speaking of tires, they don't do to well when hit by a flying objects such as bullets. In the field it is much harder to change a tire the to splice a track.
10. In conclusion the Stryker is an example of lessons not learned. The German Army in the 1930's went to rubber tire combat vehicles and learned about their mistake on the eastern front. These problems were well documented for anyone who want to look into the topic.
The Stryker is a mulit billion dollar mistake that could have been avoided if not for the arrogance and vanity of the Army Brass who were way down on the list of combat experience. Perhaps the current conflicts will produce a generation of officers who have a clue.
trying to find a new auto loader for pogo,,,thank you
Posted by: al at February 17, 2008 11:50 AM