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Lie Detector's Shaky Story

The American military is using a new-fangled lie detector in Iraq and Gitmo -- despite Pentagon studies warning that the machine's chances of spotting the truth are worse than "flipping a coin."

VaderLeia.jpgBackers of voice stress analysis assert that liars leave hints of fibbing in their speech -- hints that can be decoded by computer algorithms. The official-sounding "National Institute For Truth Verification," a company marketing the machine, claims it has become "the truth verification device of choice in the law enforcement community... [and] is also being utilized by the US Department of Defense in the global war on terrorism." (original emphasis)

According to the company, its military involvement began in September, 2003, when it was invited to Guantanamo Bay, to help with "acquiring and validating much needed information from the foreign detainees... Success was immediate, when less than a week after the training a terror suspect who had alluded his interrogators for months admitted to terrorist links after being administered a CVSA [computer voice stress analysis] examination."

From there, company representatives moved to Baghdad, to train members of the Defense Intelligence Agency and U.S. Special Forces. "A terror suspect who had alluded his interrogators for months admitted to terrorist links," the institute claims. Again, this happened "less than a week after the training." Invitations to work with the Marines, U.S. Central Command, Army intelligence units followed shortly thereafter.

All this military interest comes a bit of a surprise. Because a 2002 study, funded by the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute, found "dismal results" for voice stress analysis, "both in the system's ability to detect people actually engaged in deception and in its ability to exclude those not attempting to be deceptive," according to the lead researcher, Washington University psychology Mitchell Sommers. "In our evaluation, voice-stress analysis detected some instances of deception, but its ability to do so was consistently less than chance — you could have gotten better results by flipping a coin."

Another Defense Department study, from 2001, added, "no effect was seen in the CVSA data." A third, from 1996, agreed with Sommers that the device's results were "not significantly different from chance."

But just because the machines don't work doesn't mean they don't have some value as an interrogation tool. For those who believe in the omniscience of American hardware, a polygraph test can be absolutely terrifying. Hey pal, the machine says you're hiding something. Might as well confess.

"It's not science. It's not technology," Steven Aftergood, with the Federation of American Scientists, told me last year. ""But it's sometimes effective theater."

University of Arizona psychology professor John JB Allen recently added, "Guilty folks who believe the technique will unveil their evil-doings may confess to receive gentler treatment. But unfortunately, innocent individuals with few resources have also been known to confess under conditions of duress."

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Posted by: sa378899 at December 26, 2007 02:11 PM


This is towards CW3 Bell, US Army comments about the results of the voice stress test. It is amazing to me how he makes a jump from a voice test machine to a liberal making bad comments about the military. Not all liberals think the military is bad or knock the military, and if he would look at the test results he has a 50 percent chance of getting it right. Flip a coin and save us some money and get rid of the machines. Tell these uneducated morons he catches he has a black box that can tell if he lies and if he does not tell the truth he will go to GitMo, hell, I will will confess to killing Hussien myself. You are banking on a career of law enforcement using this machine when you get out of the military. Read the results of the science on these machines. They are not any better than voodoo. Look at the science. Good science should not lie, but he still wants to believe. There are other factors that are making him convinced these machines are telling him the truth. I don't what they are because I am not there, but if I said I loved G.Bush, Jr, I am sure I could get a $40 million dollar grant to prove you wrong.

I will stick with the science and not what I want to believe.
CJD

Posted by: Chuck Dockrey at September 29, 2007 09:29 PM


Give it up, VSA supporters. I underwent a VSA interview as part of a background investigation about four years ago with a qualified operator. I "failed" on the control question "Are you wearing shoes?" All subsequent answers read false. Voodoo is voodoo, no matter how many blinking lights it has...(I got the job, by the way)

Posted by: P. Long at August 26, 2006 02:47 AM


The cited studies are all several years old. Has anyone done a recent study using the latest technology? I read a WSJ excerpt on Suspect Detection Systems that still cited telatively high false rejection and false acceptance rates, but certainly better than flipping a coin.

Posted by: Ontario Emperor at August 14, 2006 12:41 PM


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Posted by: MR DUNCAN JOHNSON WARD JR at July 1, 2006 01:03 PM


I have been doing CVSA examinations for four years now for the Sheriff Department that I work for. I have not had training with the polygraph, but I know that the CVSA works. In Law Enforcement or Military, if you have a tool that works, use it. CVSA works.

Posted by: M. Blackson at April 11, 2006 10:17 PM


Hi! Im living in Norway, but where can I do the Lie Detector's test? That is very important for me! Help!
Thank You!

Posted by: Hazel Faith cardente at September 28, 2005 02:13 AM


To R. Packard, Ph.D. - Perhaps antcdotal evididence is not sufficient for pin-heads in Ivory Towers, but it is good enough for those of us fighting the war. Continue your scientific analysis of and Doubting Thomas attitude if you must. But those of us fighting the war need tools that work and we need them now. I went through the CVSA military course and used this system in Iraq. It works --- I know because it worked for me and other members of my Task Force after the polygraph failed. All the information we were able to obtain from this system was validated as actionable intelligence, and the results were then confirmed through the combat raids we conducted based on the CVSA generated information.

Maybe you didn't realize it but there are well over 100 CVSA operators in the military now. They are getting great results with this system everywhere it is being used in the Global War On Terror. My USMC counterparts have had the same experiences and positive results with this system.

Mr. PhD, you are entitled to your opinion just like the left-wingers who constantly attack the President and military, but your opinion doesn't hold water with those of us who know better.

CW3 Bell, US Army

Posted by: CWO Bell at July 22, 2005 04:50 PM


If you want the truth, load your glock 9 with a dum-dum. take two of the culprits you want to interigate. ask one question, "Who's first"? it works everytime

Posted by: By The Mark at July 18, 2005 11:14 AM


When someone claims that they can do something, it is up to them to show that it is so. It really is as simple as that. You say you can do something? Then, prove it, and show your work. Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient. So far, none of the methodologically sound studies have shown that voice stress analysis techniques (any of them) are any better than chance. Bottom line? If you're guilty, then you're better off taking the test, because you have about a 50% chance of "passing" and then the cops might go away and leave you alone. But if you're not guilty, then you should definitely not take the test, since you also have about a 50% chance of "failing" the test.

There is also a serious ethical issue: Part of the method, for both conventional polygraph and VSA involves attempts to convince the subject that if they lie they will get caught. Various statements are made about microtremors and the machines to analyze them. Yet, they can't prove these claims. While it might not be "illegal" to make such claims, it certainly looks unethical.

Posted by: R Packard, Ph.D. at July 16, 2005 01:00 PM


I happen to be a CVSA Examiner. I have performed over 500 examinations in the past 6 years, most of them pre-employment examinations for law enforcement agencies.

Much of the bad info comes from the pro-polygraph folks who see their employment base erroding.

Let me give easy success examples. In pre employment exams, we ask about criminal behavior or past uncaught criminal behavior. One area we query is sexual crimes. The actual CVSA examinaton comes after an extensive interview. Now, most people have not committed a sexual crime (rape, forced oral copulation, etc). Occasionally you'll find those who have used a prostitute, which may be legal or illegal, depending on the location, but in any case, normal prostitution is, at most, a misdemeanor. Anyway, people will frequently hit or show deception on that question. Upon asking further, I'll find that they cheated in a relationship or were involved with someone married, had pre-marital sex or something similar. Not a crime, but enough that they think about this and it causes a reaction. Once we have covered this issue and the question is reasked stating we are not talking about this issue, they will clear the question with no deception indicated.

Some may ask why we don't cover the 'cheating' type issues in advance? Our goal is to get them to pass and we are not going to broach into those areas unless we must.

One more important item. The instrument doesn't operate itself or draw its own conclusions. You must be a trained examiner, just as you must be to perform the polygraph.

Posted by: Randy at July 15, 2005 11:55 AM


As the recpient of an extensive 5 day polygraph examination evolution in a matter potentially involving national security, I can state unequivacally that the value of traditional polygraph examination techniques (galvonic skin reponse, blood pressure, breathing rate and volume) lies purely in the relm of interrogation. I should probably add that I am *NOT* a pathological lier (*smile*). That is to say, they have very little to do with determining the direct "truth" of answers to specific questions. This becomes absolutely clear when investigators start lying you to about your results (and if you're *really* good a reading people (BTW a good cop can beat a polygraph any day of the week) you can tell when they know they're lying to you and when they haven't fscking clue)
.

The value of voice stress testing (and other passive techniques) lies directly in their inaccuracy.

I can also add that passive methods are being use in conjunction with being strapped into "The Chair". I'd really be interested in knowing where that data goes once it is collected (it is uploaded after the session and perminently logged with the transcript from the session) and who gets to look at post facto known "truths".

As everyone knows, the best policy is to tell the truth and take the high ground whenever possible.

Posted by: anonymous troll at July 11, 2005 09:37 AM


My good CPT Richards ---- I believe you meant SNAKE OIL SALESMEN. Scammers never seem to disappear from our market-based society, and it appears they will make any outrageous claim to dip into the government till. Perhaps LVA should team with Haliburton. Then they could join the king of scammers. What a sorry group of losers.

Posted by: CWO Canto at July 11, 2005 09:31 AM


Frank & Curt, above, are both obviously connected to the Layered Voice Analysis technology. One would think they would be making their XP version instead of wasting their time posting here. If their technology is so great, why hasn't it been adopted by the government. Continued false claims by Sanke-Oil Salesmen!

Posted by: CPT Richards at July 11, 2005 09:19 AM


These devices rank right up there with Vitamin O and scientology on the scam meter.

Posted by: ted at July 10, 2005 11:45 AM


To those who discount all polygraph type technology: Do you really doubt that there is:

1.) A market for this capability
2.) Continuing research and development
3.) Limitations on how far technology can advance

You can not seriously keep hiding your head in the sand. You sound like those who doubted the possibility of an atom bomb. You could better spend your efforts making sure that the technology is properly used...because it is coming...if it is not already here. The inventor of the Truster device mentioned above continues to improve the technology. Windows 3.1 was a limited program but now 90% of the world's computers run Windows XP. Products get better as man hours are dedicated to their improvement and manhours are determined by the potential revenue the product is projected to produce. These products have many potential customers with deep pockets just waiting for the next generation improvement on this capability. It is inevitable. Layered Voice Analysis Version XP is coming.

Posted by: Frank at July 9, 2005 12:13 PM


"As this newer technology comes on the market additional testing and research will show that it is more effective as an interrogation tool than CVSA." How do you know what future testing and research will show?

Posted by: Me at July 8, 2005 02:27 PM


The LVA, is another permutation of the Israeli "Truster" which has been sold in US airline and gift catalogs for years as a gimmick. The comany that distributes the LVA also makes a device called the "Love Detector." It seems all this company is interested in doing is ripping people off. This Israeli technology has been discredited for a number of years, and is not used within Israel. It is also not used by US law enforcement, except by a few departments who have LVA marketers working for them. I attempted to obtain the USAF Research Laboratory study mentioed above by Curt Diemer, but was told by the USAF that no such study is published. If such a study exists I would like to obtain a copy. I have been a long-time contributor to the website www.antipolygraph.org, and personally I believe none of these lie detector systems work as stated. They have all failed, especially the polygraph.

Posted by: Robert Johnson at July 8, 2005 11:10 AM


Obviously you got most of your information for this article from the pro-polygraph lobby. The polygraph is a technology that has failed repeatedly to detect security risks, Aldrich Ames and other high-level spies foiled it repeatedly. The DoD studies you cited that report the CVSA does not work were conducted by the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute. These studies have been discredited by the National Academy of Science. Further the DoD Polygraph Institute did not follow the CVSA operating procedures, rather, they used the CVSA the same way they operate a polygraph. This is what caused it to fail in their so called "scientific studies." How do I know, I am a former US Army polygraph examiner, and actually read these studies; something it appears you did not do before writing this article.

Posted by: Jim Albrecht at July 8, 2005 10:36 AM


Yeah, this isn't high technology, it's high psychology. If they want to go high tech they need to start using real-time brain-scanning using Magnetic Resonance Imaging. Here's how you could do it:
1. pinch the terrorist really hard.
2. ask him if it hurt while scanning his brain activity.
3. whether he says yes or no, you now have data showing activity in his brain when he's truthful or lying.
4. start asking him intelligence questions and compare the related brain activity to the "pinch" test.

Posted by: David at July 7, 2005 09:19 PM


CVSA is largely discredited technology. However it should not be confused with the newer Layered Voice Analysis technology which comes from a company in Israel. This recent technology makes no such claims to identify lie's but it does accurately measure the emotions of the speaker. As this newer technology comes on the market additional testing and research will show that it is more effective as an interrogation tool than CVSA. Initial government studies by the Air Force Research Lab are indicating that it can identify truthfullness at a rate exceeding 80%.

Posted by: Curt Diemer at July 7, 2005 12:01 PM


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