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Battleship = Gay Museum?

"There's a new battle plan for bringing the battleship Iowa to San Francisco," the Chronicle reports.

inthenavy.jpgThe battleship's supporters now hope to gain the support of city leaders by turning part of the vessel into a museum about the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy and the contributions of gays, lesbians, ethnic minorities and women to the military.

The Board of Supervisors rejected the ship in July, and two supervisors explained their "no" votes by saying they objected to the military's policies toward gays and lesbians, while others opposed the war in Iraq.

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Posted by: lewis at October 3, 2008 04:18 AM


I served aboard this great ship during World War 11. What a shame that this country has such low-life leadership as San Francisco. The gates to hell are wide and just waiting for for such idiots. I say, bring the USS Iowa to the MISSISSIPPI Gulf Coast. I can assure the Navy that the Iowa would find a home that would never desecrate her, but would salute her in the finest Mississippi tradition.

Posted by: Paul Artman at June 18, 2008 03:12 PM


I cant believe how attached most of you are getting to a ship. the ship did not do anything, it was the people on the ship that you all should be thinking about! quit worshiping it like it was an extension of god.

As for the idea of them turning it into a museum that houses a section on the gays and lesbians, whats wrong with that? I would imagine it would be very difficult to not be able to be honest about yourself, and always having to either lie or withold information. I think they deserve a section on their history and troubles. i mean my god, how many naval museums are there? I think we can spare one section of one museum to all our gay and lesbian military personel.

Posted by: Neal Segler at April 30, 2008 10:13 AM


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Posted by: wowpowerleveling at April 14, 2008 09:52 PM


They're gonna use my tax dollars to paint the old gray lady PINK and dedicate a museum to
"fudge packers?" Sound like they're movin' at warp speed on the greasy slick rails to hell!

Posted by: Spin Boldak at January 24, 2007 04:44 PM


The Iowa will go to Stockton. Fresh, deep water. Just like the other three ships of the class.

Posted by: Stan Golovich at May 14, 2006 07:56 PM


Hello fellow Americans, My name is Adam and I live in the great city of Stockton Ca. When I heard that the USS Iowa was to come here I was very pleased. The Iowa is one of the only last four battleships made by America,(Iowa, Missouri, New Jersey, and Wisconsin)and for one of them to be brought here to my home town means a great honor. Stockton also has the Sea cadets who are maily kids who learn about the sea life and life on a ship. The USS Iowa is not going away from service, but will start a new chaper in its distinguished carreer as the Flag ship for a new generation of Sailors. I personaly was not happy of San Frans rejection of the ship, and then for them to want it back, only because they think they can turn it into a symbol of Homosexuality. Well guess what, that ship is strong, the crew who served on it were strong, gay or straight, but there is nothing strong or right about defacing our history. Don't ask don't tell, the gays who serve and have serve know why this rule is in place and they accept it without prejudice.
The gays who are making this into what it is are cowards, who have never served and never will because even the representative of the San Francisco city counsil said last night that there is no need for Americas military, and some how he came to power?? Bless our Soliders, Sailors and Marines who are fighting today, while we have to deal with fag idealism, we dont want your life style, stop pushing or we will push back. Thanks to all who want to preserve the USS Iowa's honor.

Adam Gomes 20
Stockton, Ca

Posted by: Adam James Gomes at February 15, 2006 03:20 PM


The mere fact that there is rampant homophobia in this country that professes "liberty and justice for ALL" and that the homophobia extends to cover an entire city as lovely and wonderful as San Francisco - speaks to the need to honor those who are still persecuted for simply being different. God bless all the men and women who choose something different - regardless of the dominant culture that demonizes them based on their religious beliefs. I thought we were truly making progress to include everyone in the equation of diverstiy. Now, South Africa has legalized gay marriage. It's ironic that the US lags behind in being an open CIVIL society for EVERYONE. I am sure many will think I am a liberal gay person, but I am not. I am an 80 year old woman who respects all types of people because I have met them and they form a very important part of my family. Gays are not bad people, but they are still treated as evil and if we don't help them pull themselves up from the gutter instead of pushing them into it...well, I don't see why you all protest so much. Perhaps you are hiding your real desires? I've seen it before - those who protest the most are usually the real sick perverts who molest children because they can't accept themselves. Come on people, we are better than this, it's the 21st century and it feels like the dark ages - no worse, Neanderthal. I thought we were more intelligent that some of these comments show. A lot of education is needed - and we don't LEARN from people who are LIKE US. We learn from differences. Period.

Posted by: Bernice at December 18, 2005 11:11 PM


I'm an ex-crewman, having proudly served aboard USS Iowa from 1988-1990. I was aboard during the turret 2 explosion, and I helped lay her up post-decommissioning.

I'd rather see her cut to razorblades than to be put to such a desecration. The mere thought of this dishonors the men who proudly served aboard her decks. I am outraged.

Posted by: ExCrewman at December 7, 2005 08:42 PM


Considering how anti-military (as well as anti-American) that San Francisco has proven to be over the years through their city government, the Iowa shouldn't be docked there. Ever.

The Iowa is sacred, not a compromised memorial for every special interest group that they care to load on; it should celebrate all veterans as veterans, not as their civilian subgroups.

Posted by: brazosbilly at December 5, 2005 03:16 PM


The USS Iowa does not belong in SF. Does the homosexual movement have to desecrate every aspect of our society and turn the whole world upside down? Do we as citizens have to have this idiotic philosophy shoved down our throats at every turn? NO. If Long Beach or Stockton want the ship, tow it there. This proposal is a crime-Period.

Posted by: Jeff Clark at September 28, 2005 06:10 PM


I like the idea. It'll be a butthole ship instead of a battleship.

Posted by: chris at September 27, 2005 02:52 PM


Are you kidding??!!!!!

I hope that the powers to be have enough sense of Naval tradition and honor to not allow the USS Iowa and her sister ships be dragged through the immoral ditch that is the "Gay Community".
I personally believe that the service of the USS Iowa deserves better thann to be known as the the "Gay Battleship".
I believe everyone has a choice in how they live, but there is no reason to push that way of life on the US Military or the government and all of us who live normal lives.

Posted by: Bryen Damer, AK1 retired at September 19, 2005 11:38 PM


ABOUT THE BATTLESHIP IOWA THE SHIP AND ALL THE SAILORS THAT SERVED ON HER ARE TO GOOD TO BE IN SUCH A F****D UP CITY. I HAD RATHER THE IOWA BE TOWED OUT AND USED AS A TARGET THAN GO TO SANFRANCISCO. DO NOT FORGET A LOT OF PEOPLE GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE.
BM2 (SW/AW) THOMAS D. GIBBS

Posted by: tommy gibbs at September 19, 2005 05:01 PM


As a unit, a team, a flight a troop, a group and in the the name of military honor and merit.... please tell me what any, if any, gays or lesbians, as a whole have ever contributed to our great military. Have they, as a whole, accomplished something so signifigant that they as a whole, deserve any section in any great militery ship to celebrate they're sexual preference? When was the last time a unit made up of entirely gays and lesbians, dropped into a war zone? What was the names of any of the militarys great war ships, that were manned solely by gays and lesbians. What about flight crews? Air raids, ground missions? All consisting only of gays and lesbians. Someone educate me, because as far as I know, it's never happened. For God's sake, you want to be gay, be gay, but do you really need any part of a great military ship such as the Iowa, to solidify that?
Save the military museums for great moments in military history, great losses in military history and great remembrances for those men and women who deserve to be remembered, not for they're sexual preferences, but for they're deeds, they're merits, they're bravery and perhaps they're loss of life for this great country. Isen't that what our United States Military is suppose to be about? We honor those that contribute to past and present military causes.....not those that that feel they deserve honor for coming out of the foot locker. (closet)

Posted by: nightingale at September 19, 2005 03:56 PM


You missed point. Everyone knows gays have been in the military for thousands of years. My whole point is why single out that group. Perhaps we should set aside a spot on the ship for the married sailors, single sailors, single parent sailors, sailors from broken homes, prior service sailors. We have all done our time, we should be honored on our merit and military accomplishments. I don't really care what gender you prefer. The ship should represent the those who chose to serve. If you need to be singled out, use this stat. Veterans (gay and strait)represent only 1% of the population.

Posted by: Doc Connor at September 19, 2005 02:45 PM


I am a Veteran first, but also a Gay Veteran. I agree with previous comments that the Iowa should honor ALL who served. But this DOES include the gay and lesbian sailors that served as well. Over 1 million gays and lesbians have served silently with very little recognition for their sacrifices. They too deserve to be honored equally with everyone else that served. I'm not talking about turning the ship into a 'Gay Museum', but a Museum that honors ALL who have served and perhaps tells a little more of the sacrifices and stories of gay and lesbian sailors that otherwise is left out. You will find throughout history that proud, patriotic gay and lesbian sailors have served at every rank and level within the U.S. Navy. They have fought hard and sacrificed just as everyone else while also serving in silence. They served for the same reasons that everyone else does, nothing more, nothing less but love of country, honor, duty and patriotism. And they continue to serve today regardless of the additional sacrifices they have to make because of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy. For my fellow Veterans and current Servicemembers, let me repeat that we aren't here to dishonor the Iowa or the memory of all who served aboard. Also, we are not here asking for your 'approval' of our relationships or sexual orientation. We are simply asking for our sacrifices, equal to your own, to be honored and respected. And for those gay and lesbian patriots that come after us who want to serve their country to do so without fear of repraisal simply because of their sexual orientation. It's not about anything but Honoring and Serving Our Country! Again, we are Veterans first regardless of our differences. Please remember we are also your fellow Sailors, Soldiers, Airmen, Marines and Coast Guardsmen.


USAF Veteran

Posted by: Tony at September 19, 2005 01:59 PM


This is unbelievable!!!! Having served for 20 years I have met many people on active duty. I always followed one simple rule. They were Sailors, Marines, Soldiers or Airmen, regardless of their gender, race, color or creed. What they did in their private lives was their business. So long as it did not enter the workspace or bring dishonor to the Nation or our armed services. I never believed that any one group of people should be singled out for ANY reason. Sure, fifty years ago we desegregated, and women made awesome strides in being treated as equals, but I'd like to think that niether of those things happened because of who was sleeping with who. Even still, those are just examples of good choices and progress. My tolorance of recognizing "special people" has been worn out. I was an HM1(FMF/SW). That means E-6, Fleet Marine Force and Surface Warfare qualified. Nowhere in my title did it indicate my sexual preference, gender or color. My ribbons displayed my accomplishments and where I've been. I don't remember having a ribbon for being strait or being faithful to my wife. There will never be a museum for Sailors who bought the most hookers or had the least STDs. Nor will there ever be one for those who fell asleep at the watch or smoked pot and got away with it. The mighty Iowa is a warship, it's Sailors represented an American coulture that spanned three generations of SAILORS and MARINES who put their lives on the line everyday in the service of their country. Nothing more, just make it a museum keep the sex out of it.

Posted by: Doc Connor at September 19, 2005 01:20 PM


To use such a honored piece of American history to endorse a sexual life style is abhorrent.

Posted by: Brian Peters at September 19, 2005 12:56 PM


What an ignominius end this would be for one of the most decorated ships in the history of our country. Move her to some port where she will be appreciated and revered - she deserves it...

Posted by: George Plunkett at September 19, 2005 12:06 PM


I live near Jacksonville and they let the Saratoga go and it's being scrapped- enough- save the ship. I saw the Mothball fleet from WWII and even the first nuclear sub-I think it was the Nautilus? up by Portsmouth Va. years ago being cut into railroad sise car pieces of steel, sold to Mexico, then to Japan, re-tooled, and sold back to us. What an ignoble end for the vessels that saved the world. I Believe the Navy wanted 3 million for the sara and Jax could only raise (Sarah's vet's) around 2 mil so they sold it to a scrapper for around 1 mil. Horsheshit. Save the ship priority one, don't let it be scrapped, then we have the rest of history to argue about her.

Posted by: Joseph A. Belle-Isle at September 19, 2005 10:26 AM


As a retired Command Master Chief, it makes me sick to even think one of our proud ship of the line to be used in that manor. She deserves better. I would rather see her made into a reef that go to San Francisco.

Posted by: Carl Jones at September 19, 2005 08:41 AM


Considering how San Francisco and the surrounding area tended to treat the military when I was there, I don't think they deserve anything that could contribute to their economy. They certainly didn't contribute to my feeling welcome as a military member. Put the Iowa someplace where they respect the military. I agree - Run her up the Mississippi and park her in the state of Iowa.

Posted by: MSG63D at September 18, 2005 10:46 PM


I'm a veteran, I served four years, part of them in Desert Storm, and was honorably discharged. I'm also queer. First I'm dissappointed by the stunning level of illiteracy shown here. It says they plan to turn part of the vessel into a museum about gays, not all of the ship. Iowa isn't going to become a "gay museum". Second to all of you verterans out there, do the contributions of your fellow service men and women who happen to be gay mean nothing? Should they be forgotten? Maybe we should do away with memorials to Black service men and women, how about no memorials honoring Italian service men and women etc etc.
Fact is that you're simply homophobic.

Posted by: David at September 18, 2005 09:23 PM


You gotta be kidding me! I served for over 20 years and to even remotely think of making something that is as honorable at the USS Iowa anything other than a War museum is just plain STUPID! God why don't these liberal freaks move to Iran and Saudi Arabia and see how they will tolerate their diatribes over there! Give us Veterans a break and stay out of what is done with military hardware!
Sailorcop
Jacksonville, Fl.

Posted by: Rick A Skinner at September 18, 2005 07:45 PM


The Iowa being in "San Francisco" as any kind of museum would be a slap in the face to every veteran that served on her. Why disgrace this fine old ship and her past crews by berthing her in a modern day Sodom.

Posted by: Paul at September 18, 2005 01:41 PM


"It's not about Gays or Straights!" It's about the people, of both persuasion, that served and died for all of us, in all wars. Should we state under each picture, of each sailors, that he or she was Gay or Straight? Maybe we should also add, he/she was a smoker, drinker, womanizer, chatholic, Jew, black, white, handsome, ugly, short or tall! When do we stop all this (BS) and remember and show respect, for the sacrifice of (all) the sailors and servicemen that defended us throughout our many wars. I served my country for thirty years, flying many combat missions and never asked, in the heat of battle, if "he/she was Gay or Straight!" Thay were all professionals and their life style, was their choice. Let's just display the ship and the pictures, etc. without bring sexual preference, smoking, race, religion or anything else into it. "Lets act like a race of people and not like people of a particular race or sexual preference!"

Posted by: B-52 Crew Dog at September 18, 2005 01:39 PM


there is a reason for the "dont ask dont tell policy" and the same reason goes for the Iowa to stay out of SF....the reason is that the military doesn't support homosexuals

Posted by: Jon Avera at September 18, 2005 01:30 PM


there is a reason for the "dont ask dont tell policy" and the same reason goes for the Iowa to stay out of SF....the reason is that the military doesn't support homosexuals

Posted by: Jon Avera at September 18, 2005 01:29 PM


Another attempt to use a revered historical artifact for selfish political ends. Todays political correctness make me want to puke. Let the ship go to a city that would appreciate her contribution to our freedom.

Posted by: CFourton at September 18, 2005 11:41 AM


what an insult to the ship and all the people who served in her! and to the rest of the armed forces! the world will never see a ship of her calibre again and rather put her in a place where she can be appreciated for what she is.

pity a katrina couldnt hit san fransisco..........!!!!! and clean it out!

Posted by: wouter kellerman at September 18, 2005 10:40 AM


Are you all kidding?

The only people that have something to fear from having some area of this magnificent ship designated as a tribute to gays who served and perhaps DIED on the USS Iowa, are those few homophobes that are just plain AFRAID.
Boo hoo hoo... You poor, picked-on "Straights".

Bringing this ship to San Fran would mean millions of $$$ in local revenues, an invaluable historic museum and educational platform, and a reminder to straights and gays alike... War in ANY form, is something to be AVOIDED. The same homophobes that are crying about this, would also surely accept the help of a gay sailor, dragging their butt to shore if their ship was on fire.

I served on 2 Aircraft Carriers in time of War, and I was never "bothered" by any gay crewmember, but I did know a few, and they served with as much honor, pride and distinction as anybody else.

I am secure in my "straightness". Are you?

Lose the homophobe-attitudes, dudes.

Posted by: FID Sailor at September 18, 2005 09:03 AM


The USS Iowa DID have gay crewmembers, and some of them DID give their lives in service to their country, and none of them want any of you. OK?
Funny thing, how something so stupid can cause so much FEAR.

I hope they have a section reserved for WOMEN as well. And don't forget the thousands of black sailors who served on that ship, but were ONLY given menial tasks/jobs, until after Truman's desegregation orders. THEY deserve a special recognition, even more so than gays.

ALL ships in the U.S. Navy have at 1 time or another had at least some gay crewmembers, in fact ALL ships anywhere, just like all Combat-Units anywhere, and since the dawn of warfare, have had gay members in their ranks. SO WHAT...???

Would you rather die at sea in some terrible attack on your ship, or perhaps in a FIRE, or have a gay shipmate drag your dumb-ass to shore, saving your life?

Get OVER it. The USS IOWA would make a tremendous addition to the San Francisco Harbor, it would draw hundreds of thousands of paying-visitors every year (some of whom would be gay), and who even CARES if there is a section of the ship devoted to the service and sacrifice of gay shipmates?

Those that are afraid... (Of Course).

Posted by: Weatherguesser at September 18, 2005 08:48 AM


1) The USS IOWA is still one of the most powerful, versatile combatants in the world and should be reactivated, not "musemed." But let's not have that debate here.

2) A US Navy ship in donation status must be able to support itself financially. This would be a slam dunk on the SF waterfront, and utterly impossible in Stockon. Based on the ultimate determinant, economics, San Francisco is by far the best home for the ship. And there is no close second. Moving IOWA to Stockton (specifically Rough and Ready Island) would be the best way to put her on a certain course to the scrap yard.

3) American citizens of all stripes and persuasions have served our country. How could anyone object to honoring those who served based upon sexual orientation? This smacks of the way African American soldiers IN UNIFORM were treated in their own country during World War II.

I for one, don't lie awake at night worrying about what others are doing in their beds. Last time I checked, it was none of my damn business. Or yours...

Posted by: MEA at September 18, 2005 12:37 AM


Well, ethnic minorities tribute and women in the service is good, gay/lesbian tribute I don't think so. What would be the tribute? Prior to Clintons "don't ask don't tell policy" part of the initial interview process to get into the military would be the big questions: "are you now or have you ever been a homosexual? and have you ever had thoughts of a homosexual nature?" If the answer was yes to either... you didn't get in the service. If you were homosexual and lied to get in the service there is no honor in that? Also even with the policy in effect it is still against the UCMJ to be a homosexual (if people are alerted to you being gay you broke the policy). So it has always been against military law to be a homosexual in the service.

Posted by: S.T. at September 17, 2005 09:25 PM


I would be proud to visit the USS Iowa in San Francisco to honor and respect the men that served and died aboard this mighty vessel.Her keel was not laid with one group in mind, but to serve all who sailed her and all who belived in protecting our freedom.For SF to make it (gay museum ) what it is not is a lack of respect for those who served in the military. We don't go out and give our lives for just Gays we do it for all mankind.I've lived in the bay area most of my life and also proud to have served in the US Navy.For this group of people(whom ever they might be)to even think this idea was good must be smoking some bad stuff

Posted by: Dave Perez at September 17, 2005 08:20 PM


I see folks saying San Francisco doesn't deserve to have a ship there, BUT, Does Anyone remember "dungaree liberty in Seattle", or "city clean-up" in Long Beach, or every ship capable, getting underway for three weeks starting on the day before payday from San Diego? I recall greeting a family with a simple "Good Morning" on the street in Honolulu after church one Sunday and being spat on by a teen-age daughter while her father and mother laughed. Those were the days when we proudly wore the uniform ashore. I always felt the attitude of any large Navy port was the same.
"Be quiet, don't cause trouble, leave your money, and go away."
Ships as museums? Great idea.
Cities that want them?
Cities that deserve them? Where?????

Posted by: GerryB, USCG (Ret) at September 17, 2005 12:23 PM


Making the Iowa into a gay museum would only help to concrete all of the gay stereotypes placed upon the Navy. All servicemembers should be honored for their service, regardless of race, nationality, gender, or sexual preference. However, making it into a gay museum would go against current policy which doesn't allow gays to express their sexuality in the military. When rules are made, rules should be enforced. As far as San Francisco goes, that is one city which I am not proud to say is an American city. It would disgust me to have one of our great ships displayed there. I don't care anything about a city whose inhabitants express hate and disgust towards the new generation of veterans, like myself, coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS, PEOPLE! Young men and women are dying every day over there to keep this country safe. The people of the city with whom I've come in contact with lean more towards hating all things military, and they don't hesitate to call returning servicemembers "Bush's puppets" or "baby killers". As far as I'm concerned, those people who disgrace our military DO NOT deserve the right to be called Americans, period.

Posted by: A1C R. Calloway, USAF at September 17, 2005 08:43 AM


let them build a gay museum, however i want a museum that honors all of the contributions all of us heterosexual people have made. hopefully this division will make all minority groups realize that by constantly pushing to be singled out they constantly push themselves farther from total acceptance. vicious cycle that they create for themselves. who obtains their identity from their sexual partner and when does sexual orientation become so important that announcing your preference to the world is relevant. i accept the gay community if they wish to be accepted but we dont need a museum such as this. please do not email me with a response as you will find apathy with the acceptance.

Posted by: brian at September 17, 2005 01:16 AM


After reading all of the comments posted here, it's obvious that very few people even took time to read the article before responding.

GET A LIFE!

I see many here who claim that it would somehow dishonor the sailors who served on her. Some claim that it would disgrace the entire Navy.

Ladies & Gentlemen, gays and lesbians have served our country since its inception, and will continue to serve with honor long after we are gone.

It seems patently obsurd that gays should be snubbed on this ship. I know that many of us here remember that terrible day back in 1989 when there was an explosion in main gun Turret No. 2, killing 47 sailors.

The Navy, in its wisdom and compassion, chose to scapegoat the entire situation by claiming that it was a murder-suicide involving two gay sailors.

Finally, in 1992, the Navy finally admitted that neither sailor was gay.

It just seems to me that [b]lies[/b] do more to disgrace servicemembers than [b]the truth[/b] ever will.

Posted by: Dale U MSG, Retired at September 16, 2005 11:22 PM


well, i'm a little disappointed in this topic....my home town is norfolk, va and we have the Wisconsin(BB64) homeported there as a museum. Battleships are very beautiful ships. They are strong, intimidating, and I have a respect for them and the men that served on them that will never die. The USS Iowa should not be a gay museum.

Posted by: HR Rogers, USN at September 16, 2005 09:55 PM


This is wrong and to have it to be a part of something to do with a gay person. This is like selling your soul to the devil and being send to hell.

Posted by: Dr. Lambert at September 16, 2005 09:39 PM


Has the Navy gone crazy? It would be a disgrace for all who have served in the Navy!!!

Posted by: chgo38 at September 16, 2005 06:42 PM


Well I am just glad to know that nothing like this will ever happen to the Alabama. Why don't they send the Iowa to SD or Pearl Harbor. Or better yet, turn it into a coral reef.

Posted by: Justin at September 16, 2005 05:12 PM


Its just me, but wouldnt making the Iowa into a museum about the 'dont ask dont tell' policy, be breaking the aforementioned policy? Wouldnt this be breaking naval rules & regs?

Posted by: Nessie at September 16, 2005 03:49 PM


To whom it may concern
Please I repeat please don't turn the great
battleship Iowa in to a gay museum, It is a
great part of history, if you do this what then
are you going after the battleships new jersey,
and missouri thay were all built as sister ships
to avenge the attack on pearl harbour....
steve

Posted by: steve at September 16, 2005 03:38 PM


I would far rather see that wonderful old ship under the sea making a home for sea life than as a museum for gay rights in the military. If this is true of the Iowa supporters, they should be ashamed of themselves and be replaced.

Posted by: Pam D at September 16, 2005 02:50 PM


I'm not one to ever want to see any navel ship scraped or used as target practice and ultimately sunk as a result of that target practice,which was the fate of the U.S.S. Saufley, but I would rather see the U.S.S. Iowa scraped any day rather than see it made into a gay museum. I would even go so far as to say that I would rather see the ship used as target practice and sunk to a watery grave rather than for it to be used for such a degrading thing as a gay museum. Whoever thought up this insanity has obviously got a screw lose somewhere in his or her filthy brain, that is if he or she, even has a brain at all. If the Navy allows such a thing to happen, it not only shows just how wretched the mindset of San Francisco has become, but it goes to show just how much the mindset of our own Navy has become, and indeed the Department of Defence as well. This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard, it flies in the face of everything the Navy and the nation is suppose to stand for, which is duty, honor, and service. That ship should be placed with honor as a memorial to the sacrifice that the brave sailors of World War II did during their partisipation in that war. It should be placed right beside the U.S.S.Arizona as a reminder of the Pacific Wars end, because of the ships planned partisipation in the invasion of Japan, in this way, it would be a stark reminder of the wars ending, just as surly as the U.S.S. Arizona is a stark reminder of the beginning of the Pacific War, when Pearl Harbor was attacked. This would be a more fitting tribute to the great ships memory than the stupid asumption that it should be made into a gay museum, only to appease the filthy minds of San Francisco's leaders and its gay population.

Posted by: R.L. Averette at September 16, 2005 02:45 PM


Being gay and served, I personally don't think we need a 'Gay' memorial made of the Iowa. It should honor all shipmates who've served regardless of personal preference, sex, color or religious origin. Don't treat me special, just equal.

Posted by: Karen R at September 16, 2005 02:40 PM


Have you people ever served or spent anytime on a military installation? their are Gay and lesbian people all over the military. Besides they didnt say they were going to make it a musuem of man on man love they just want an exhibite. geez what a bunch of closet homos.

Posted by: philip at September 16, 2005 01:19 PM


Folks:

I'm not in the habit of censoring comments. But, on my site, I will not allow spittle-flecked maniacs to rant about killing people, just because of who they sleep with. If you post that crap, I will delete it. Period. End of story.

Feel free to voice any opinion you want about the Iowa, or any other topic. Personally, I think the "museum" idea is ridiculous, and panders to all involved.

But I'm drawing the line at hate, at mass murder. Don't like it? Get lost. Click somewhere else.


nms

Posted by: Noah Shachtman at September 16, 2005 01:19 PM


Each successive generation becomes more tolerant?
That means it's reasonably safe to say that we're tending towards accepting all that is immoral & wrong in the name of tolerance. Let's legitimize
all that's counterfeit!! We are a society in serious trouble. When & where do we collectively draw the "line?" After we've lost it all, will we then realize what we had. This is merely another step down that symbolizes much of what is wrong in America. I am a former Navy man. I feel pain for my brothers who served so faithfully & proudly aboard the Iowa. They deserve better than this! This is about service, not aberrant sexual orientation!

Posted by: GW at September 16, 2005 01:11 PM


I would rather turn her into Scrapmetal that see this happen.

Posted by: James P. Vetzel at September 16, 2005 01:05 PM


I find it funny how descrimination against Black Americans always arises in the debate about homosexuals. How can one be compared to the other? One is a CHOICE, the other is not. A majority of the Black communtiy finds it insulting to draw that parallel with these two struggles. Having said that, I think that since the city of SF wants to insult a great warship with this idea, the ultimate insult would be to bring the Iowa to the Bay and make her an artificial reef! Sink her before we make her a "Gay" museum!

Posted by: Ed D. at September 16, 2005 12:38 PM


WELL, TOUCHY SUBJECT.
I AM A FORMER USAFOC OPERATIVE AND AS YOU WOULD SUMMIZE I AM AGAINST GAYS IN THE MILITARY, BUT I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY GAYS ON BOARD THAT SHIP WHEN IT WAS IN COMMISION AND WERE THERE ANY GAYS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SHIP WHO MAY HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES DEFENDING OUR COUNTRY.
IF SO, I HATE TO SAY BUT THEY MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SOMETHING HERE? BUT WHAT? I DON'T REALLY KNOW!

Posted by: NICK at September 16, 2005 12:34 PM


I can't believe we're even discussing this! To use what was once a symbol of our nations might to promote the gay agenda is an outrage. Sinking her would be a more dignified end than to allow it to be turned into a gay museum.

Posted by: USMCvet at September 16, 2005 12:30 PM


The discrimination against openly (I say openly because thousands proudly serve and protect us) Gay and Lesbian service in the Military patterns the discrimination against Black American service members almost exactly. I chuckle when I read the passionate indignation of comments like those on this site because the outcome will inevitably be the same as well.

20 years from now this type of news won’t grab anyone’s attention because ultimately our society is going to accept the role of all Americans in public and military service. If you disagree, ask yourself whether Colin Powell could have risen to his prominence pre-1960? And if you really believe that our society won’t become more tolerant, spend a few minutes watching MTV or AOL chat rooms to understand the perspective of today’s youth before they become tomorrow’s voters. Each succeeding generation becomes successively more tolerant.

Whether or not the Iowa becomes the first museum honoring Gay and Lesbian service members misses the point that inevitably this type of public appreciation is going to happen. I hope the great city of San Francisco leads the way.

Posted by: CGAGrad at September 16, 2005 11:28 AM


I don't see anything in the opening comments about the IOWA becoming a "gay museum" (whatever that is). I do see where a portion of the ship would have information about how the "don't ask, don't tell" policy has affected the maritime services (as well as the others). But maybe the IOWA should be towed to the gulf coast and be made into one of the "super levees" that will need to be constructed to keep N.O. from going under again. (And as a side note, I really wish bloggers would learn how to spell and what words to use where appropriate; ie: "there" is not the same as "their" or as "they're".)

Posted by: HM2MURPHY at September 16, 2005 10:55 AM


As a daughter -- former military brat -- of a now-deceased O-6 (SS, LOM, DFC, PH, AM(2), to name a few -- and a service academy -- GO ARMY! -- honors grad), and as someone who could not be qualified as a 'phobe' (for personal reasons I will only allude to), this thought by the loons in SF disgusts me.

To hell with 'em. They played politics ONCE with a noble ship. Let a city that won't turn it into a floating monument to their civic looney narcissism look after the old gal. To echo the suggestion: San Diego... a West Coast city with a great respect for, and close association to, the Navy. It could be docked right near downtown -- near the old Broadway Pier, near the Convention Center, or north near the waterfront park that is north of Lindbergh Field.


Posted by: FlyingTigress at September 16, 2005 10:46 AM


Send her to San Diego. San Francisco dosn't want her or deserve her. San Diego will honor the Iowa and do her proud.

Posted by: Clint at September 16, 2005 10:25 AM


You gotta be kidding me. Why would this even be considered? Again, the liberal, democratic and gay agenda.
What a slap in the face of the Navy - and all who have served.

Posted by: Mike O. at September 16, 2005 10:18 AM


to all you people who want to see the battleship turned into a gay museum. you all can stick it where the sun dont shine. im a soldier in iraq right now and i think if you turn it into a museum for gays you are dishonoring not only the sailors who served on the battleship but all the servicemen and woman who have died fighting for this country. like the others turn it into a museum but a museum dedicated to all the sailors who served aboard one the most powerful battleships ever built.

Posted by: joshua smith at September 16, 2005 10:14 AM


I have to say that I am very glad that it is not going to happen. I am not a "gay basher", but I don't think that a batteship payed for with federal tax dollars should be a gay museum. As a matter of fact I would be upset if they wanted to make it a straight museum. After all, a battle ship museum should be about the ship's history. Not peoples sex lives.

Posted by: Ben at September 16, 2005 09:56 AM


As a former HM2 I hope that the Iowa does not get turned into a Gay Musuem. Leave as it was a war ship. Staff SGT Rocky L Huddleston Air National Guard

Posted by: Rocky L Huddleston at September 16, 2005 09:20 AM


I'd like to see the Iowa docked in Iowa.

Posted by: JSAllison at September 16, 2005 09:09 AM


While I do know and have many friends who are homosexual, in and out of the Navy. A naval vessel being turned into a Gay Museum is too much altogether, the dont ask dont tell policy is saying a persons sexuality does not matter, just do your job and keep it to yourself. So why should we let a museum that should be honoring the Navy not only focus on something that shouldnt matter but FURTHER heighten stero-types against the Navy. Honor her, dont disgrace her and embaress the Navy.

Posted by: Will at September 16, 2005 08:49 AM


THIS IS AGAIN SAN FRANSISCO'S ATTEMPT TO TURN SOMETHING AS MIGHTY AS A BATTLESHIP INTO A HOMOSEXUAL PLAYGROUND. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THESE LIBERAL DEMOCRATICS! THERE VIEWS ARE DISGUSTING, UNREAL, IMMORAL, AND IMMATURE! SEND IT TO CAMDEN, NEW JERSEY TO SIT NEXT TO THE USS NEW JERSEY OR SOME WHERE THAT IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED AND CHERISHED FOR ITS MIGHT, POWER, AND SERVICE TO THIS ONCE SO GREAT COUNTRY! SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS AND VOTE REPUBLICAN.

Posted by: uscgjay at September 16, 2005 08:00 AM


Having served on Iowa's sister ship, the USS Wisconsin during reactivation in the 1980's and during the Gulf War, I think this is a terrible idea. Gay issues aside, the city of San Francisco had their chance and they blew it. Fact of the matter is that even as a museum, this ship will costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to maintain and transform into a museum, and not a lot of American cities are willing to take on such a burden, if the tourist dollars are not a sure thing. These ships are probably the most graceful and powerful ships to ever sail and the mere sight of them leaves most people in awe......Lets put the USS Iowa in a place that 1. Wants her 2. Will preserve her integrity as a instrument of war 3. Has the resources to maintain her. If not, lets scrap her and move on.

Posted by: BattleshipRon at September 16, 2005 07:46 AM


Erm the comments seem more like gay-bashing than they do about the lack of respect shown by the San Francisco authorities for a battleship memorial ... other old ships have been turned into artificial reefs etc, which in no way diminishes their memory or record of service ... if gay people want the ship, why not? surely it's better than it being sold for scrap?

Posted by: elizzar at September 16, 2005 07:04 AM


This is unreal. I'm sure the Sailors who served aboard the USS IOWA would be extremely disappointed in their country and their Navy if their ship was allowed to be turned into a Gay memorial. Some gave their lives to defend the freedoms that this great country enables, however, I'm sure this isn't what they had in mind. Make it a real museum to honor all those who have served honorably. Don't pick one minority group, that would only dishonor the rest.

Posted by: Lisa at September 16, 2005 07:03 AM


Where is the ship now?

And we it is going, does it really deminish the memory?, get real people!

To all the people above, you really don't no any gay peaple, oh please, smell the coffee!

Posted by: Lee at September 16, 2005 04:39 AM


Oh dear lord dont let the Iowa become a gay museum. Any thing other than a gay museum. It would go to more use as scrap then as a GAY museum, not that I want it to go to scrap but as long as its not a GAY museum, make it a museum yes but make it a WWII museum, send it to Pearl to sit beside the Missouri that would be more productive than to use it as a GAY museum. This is a disgrace that they are even considering it.

Posted by: Hotel Papa at September 16, 2005 01:22 AM


this is down-right disgusting! if they don't want the Battleship then by all means snub then and give the ship to SD or Long Beach or Stockton but not SF. the city benefited so much from the Navy duing the second World War yet as opposed to honor the military, that gave the city so much, they simply disregard. it says alot about the lack of character and honor in SF.

Posted by: Jordan at September 15, 2005 11:39 PM


NO, the Battleship Iowa must not be a Gay Museum.
Museum YES, Gay NO.
I urge the Iowa be part of a Pacific War Museum Complex honoring WW2 1941-1945.
& planned Japan invasion of Nov 1945.
OR move the ship to San Diego or Stockton.
BUT not SF Bay please.

Posted by: stephen russell at September 15, 2005 09:44 PM


I think this is discusting and The Mighty Battleship Iowa deserves a better place as a museum. San Francisco does not deserve a Battleship Museum. I hope it goes to Stockton.

Posted by: Ron Henthorn at September 15, 2005 08:46 PM


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