Obama bin Laden and his merry men

looked into the wood

and what did they see

Posted by: WARLOCK at June 18, 2008 04:55 AM

nice to meet you

Posted by: wowpowerleveling at April 15, 2008 02:28 AM

Well, Bill Hamilton, Bush had NOTHING to do with causing 9/11 and anyoone who says he did is an IDIOT!

I most certainly do not like Bush pushing his religion and some of his programs. Still, that does not mean I will stand by and let idiots like you lie about him.

Neil C. Reinhardt

Posted by: Neil Reinhardt at April 12, 2006 11:13 PM

Stop The Hating!

Posted by: Jim Ickes at October 17, 2005 05:25 PM

And Steve,

Your IDIOT comments show it is you who is uninformed! I'll bet you believe the world is flat and that gold comes from lead.

Your knowledge of Saddam & how he got into power proves that fat ugly stupid M. Moore leads you around by the nose.

What is you IQ level - 2?

Want to buy some Pacific beach front property in Kansas? As clueless as you are I am sure you would jump at that.

Neil C. Reinhardt

PS. I play beach volleyball every Sat. & Sun. on the courts at 29th & the Stand in Manhattan Beach, Ca. So do not think I hide behind my computer when I call people what they are. Please note I also use my full name.

Posted by: Neil Reinhardt at October 12, 2005 09:53 PM

JTW,

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

The SAS is one of the best, if not the best military unit in the world.

The Brits are great!

Neil C. Reinhardt

Posted by: Neil Reinhardt at October 12, 2005 09:28 PM

To the Clueless asses who think I can be told what to believe, think and/or support by ANYONE!

You are IDIOTS and you have NO clue about me because if you did you NEVER would have said I am led anywhere by anyone.

Were I that type of person I would still be a Christian rather than taking the time-effort to study-research and become a proud Atheist.

Our actions in rmoving Saddam from power and freeing the Iraq people are a necessary part of our war on terror. Anyone who does not know that is either ignorant of SUFFICENT facts, OR they are too "F"ing STUPID to understand the facts. (Most probably the latter.)

Neil C. Reinhardt

Posted by: Neil Reinhardt at October 12, 2005 09:21 PM

People, you should not let JTW get to you so. This person is obviously a child or, if not, an adult with the mentality of a child and therefore should not be taken too seriously. On the other hand, I do agree that he needs to have his ass kicked.

Posted by: win at October 11, 2005 06:37 PM

Some of you people really need to take your head out of your arse and wake the fuck up! JWT mate, I think you need to stop spend so much time talking shit. The British Military are some of the most professional Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors in the world, so to say "Britain makes the United States look bad when they conduct special operations with the intent to kill iraqi civilians and police". I would bet my left nut that the mission of the OP was not to kill iraqi civilians or police. My point is for someone to sit at "home" while these guys are over there sweating their arse off, getting shot at, watching their brothers in arms die whilst trying to keep the peace in a country thats not even their own who the fuck are you to judge. My hat goes off to all you guys over there, keep up the good work. Just know that there are a lot of people out there that do support you.
"QUO FAS ET GLORIA DUCUNT"

Posted by: KIA KAHA at October 11, 2005 01:01 AM

To that of the question posted by Desert Rat, right now i think our biggest concern is afghanistan over iraq simply because of the fact that bin laden is in the surrounding areas and most of the high ranking terrorists. This is my oppinion of what should now be done...America should set up around 4-5 major bases in the country and withdraw the troops into them and send some to afganistan. As for the Brits who have approx 8.500 troops in iraq should set up around 2 major bases in the south and withdraw around 2.000 troops to be sent to afghanistan.

Posted by: jimmybuck at October 1, 2005 05:04 PM

I,m doing to do my best here to answer the question posed by Desert Rat rather than explode on some other ignorant fuckwit that feels he's in some kind of position to judge...
Afganistan. Unfortunately it's not going to be easy. The British and the Russians and one or two other nations have all had a hard time there in the past. I wouldn't want the US and her allies get bogged down in a "police action" that they can't win. Furthermore, I don't think Osama is in Afganistan anymore, anyway. They should hand it over to the UN and concentrate on Iraq for the time being, before getting out of there too!

Posted by: Trooping_the_Colour at October 1, 2005 05:44 AM

this message goes to everyone supporting the coalition troops in the wat on terror, thanks to all of you who take the Brits side in this news shamble and have to say some of you on here are real cock suckers for the things you have said, lastly what is everyones oppion on what should be right now with American and British forces in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

Posted by: Desert Rat at September 28, 2005 02:11 PM

Having read the clear,concise and dispassionate outline of UK actions by JTW, I can't but agree with him that somebody is out of their mind, but it is not Britan JTW, may I suggest that you look in the mirror?

Posted by: kondor at September 28, 2005 08:25 AM

Yeh thats right if the SAS was on a shooting mission 1 they wouldnt of got caught and 2 there would have been more than 2 of them there would of been about 4, but keep it up the US & Britain are doing a good job.

Posted by: Billy at September 27, 2005 06:52 PM

What they were obviously doing was gathering intelligence - which is one of the things the SAS does. If they had in fact been on a bombing/shooting mission, there would have been an extraction team standing by and they never would have been caught.

The important thing is for the US to not do what was done in Guatemala, El Salvador, etc. Train locals to kill persons who disagree with US companies. These Brits weren't likely to be doing this for the CIA.

Posted by: js at September 27, 2005 06:17 PM

Its getting quiet on here

Posted by: adam at September 27, 2005 03:15 PM

Bill Hamilton,
I would think that someone with the education that you claim to have wouldn't believe Michael Moore's movie Fahrenheit 9/11. But I guess you still believe in Santa Claus to. (Sorry for ruining it for you). But while we're on the subject, did you hear how if you fold the $20 bill to resemble a paper airplane you can see the two towers after they have been hit? I'm sure you and your conspiracy buddies can have a long talk about that one.

Posted by: Clark at September 26, 2005 07:25 AM

JTW,
After reading your posts, and your half-witted reasons for hatred I have decided that you fall under one of two categories. Cat 1 your just some hypocritical dumbass who believes everything the media says who is too damn lazy to actually do any kind of research on what your blabbing endlessly about. Come on, you base your "feelings" about Scottish resentment towards England by the movie Braveheart? Do you really want to settle global policies and decide who should be allies of US because somebody made a movie about something that happened hundreds of years ago and has nothing to do with what’s going on right now?
But, you potentially fall under the second category, in which you're just a dumbass who is extremely bored and has nothing better to do than stir some shit up on the net.
Either way, I consider you to be among the most ill witted debaters ever to open his mouth. That bit you said to one of our British guests on this site something about getting the hell out because its an American site and he has no business defending his shit-hole country, or whatever, well I would just like to say, as an American proudly serving in the U.S. Navy, I would like you to stop posting in this MILITARY website because obviously you're too cowardly to take up the gun and defend the freedoms that you squander. My impression of you is that you were breastfed until the age of 4, potty trained at 9 and had your mommy deal with those bully neighbor kids. Grow some balls, read more, and get a life...

Posted by: Clark at September 26, 2005 07:13 AM

im off to the British Army next month too Jay, I respect all of our armed forces service members and Amercica's and with the two country's side by side we form the greatest fighting force the world has ever seen, I support the war on terror but the war in Iraq could do with sorting out now and as the British are taking control of all NATO forces in Afghanistan this month or next i think 2 thousand from the currently 8,500 British troops in Iraq should be re-deployed to Afghanistan as that places needs sorting out even more with bin laden and all.

Posted by: Billy at September 26, 2005 05:35 AM

I'm off to the British Army next month-just got my letter of permission to join(I'm from a certain sunny Commonwealth country).The reputation of the U.K. Armed force outstanding. I've met some Americans-not bad folks and I could tell they recieved an education unlike JTW who seems adament on giving his country a bad name.

JTW, I wish I could have the chance to bump into you, especially after I've done infantry.You're pissing off a lot of people, Americans included, by your ignorant posts and you're going to get into a world of hurt if you don't wisen up.

Posted by: Jay at September 26, 2005 03:06 AM

People. I only read about a third of the messages, and all I have to say is this (and I might be repeating others' views, but so be it) ... you're all lucky to even have the ability to speak your mind so freely. Be thankful for separation of church and state, because if it wasn't for our nation's founding farthers all wanting the type of freedom we have now, every single one of you that doesn't agree with what our countries are doing in Iraq now would be praying to someone, not of your own chosing, that a country would come along and do what we've done for both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Everyone takes freedom for granted ... some more than others, and some not at all. I'm in the military, but I will never see the front lines ... at least not in a all-out conflict. I admire all personnel in each branch of service, regardless of country, that are fighting the good fight and keeping the rest of you backstabbing, Jane Fonda wanna-bes alive to bad mouth what some decent human beings have VOLUNTEERED to do. Have some respect for those that are busting their asses, whether it be at home or away, so you can live to see a new day.

Lastly, I saw it several times in a few postings ... don't believe everything you read (or see, for that matter). Believe what you want, but don't be a jackass about some of this stuff ... for those that believe 9/11 was a conspiracy; fuck off! And for God's sake (not Allah's), ignore celebrities ... you know what they say about opinions and assholes. The last thing I have to say is this ... IF YOU DON'T LOVE AMERICA, GET OUT!!

Posted by: Ross at September 25, 2005 11:22 PM

Bill Hamilton a Viet Nam vet? If he was, he was probably one of the 5th columnist REMF's who went around sturing up racial shit so the press could report on it. That's assuming that he wasn't actually driving a truck on a base back in the states.

Posted by: Ibblehibben at September 25, 2005 11:17 PM

So JTW,
i hope you have a better idea about the United Kingdom im glad you at least show some intrest for our nation unfortunately some of it is wrong scotland has its own country and its own national anthem but it is part of the UK, only a small percentage of people want independance from the rest of Great Britain probably as much as southern people want the confederate states of america today, and as for Northern Ireland they are more proud to be British than the English, as for Wales well thats practically England just a different name, i have mates in all 3 countrys thats also how i know, but you should have your own country to worry about. The US is a good place to live and visit but there is still alot of downsides to the country now im not saying Britain is better because it isnt.

Posted by: Billy at September 25, 2005 05:59 PM

JTW,

Next time you feel like insulting my comrades in arms, have the balls to do it in person, not on a website.

You are without doubt one of the most ignorant idiots Ive ever had the misfortune to have to read about.

People like you do not deserve the protection of the Armed Forces of any the great nations fighting in Iraq. I dont care about the political arguments of should we be there or not, we are and our soldiers are paying with thier lives for the decisions of our politicians. You vote dont you? Then you are responsible!

As for your drivel about the IRA, stick to talking about what you know very little about, stay away from topicks you know nothing about and youll only look like a halfwit instead of the no-wits at all you really are.

Posted by: Geff Davey at September 25, 2005 12:51 PM

Another thing as another american mentioned, yes there was the revolutionary war but the USA has had more positive history with Great Britain than any other country in the world and still are today now the United Kingdom might seem a small country but it is within the top 5 most wealthy nations so yeh a good ally!

Posted by: Billy at September 25, 2005 11:47 AM

the reasons are not going to be told for why they went on that operation, most likely they were cracking down on a high ranking terrorist group to do with muktadar al sadr, the SAS then were confronted by iraqi police now maybe they didnt stop and the police started firing i dont know but most likely the SAS have gone in again and got the job done oh and quite a rescue mission wasnt it! last thing we have a queen not a king them laws are long gone and only a small number of Scots want independence probably as much as the south USA dont like the north which is probably not that much these days.

Posted by: Billy at September 25, 2005 11:43 AM

All i have to say is, why cant we get out of iraq, and the middle east, let them wage their own little religious war, and get over it, it wont go on forever, sign a peace treaty or some shit, i know we have to find osoma, but broadcast a ceasefire motion or something, im sure he'll get the message. And if we get screwed with again we nuke em PERIOD.

Posted by: Sean at September 25, 2005 10:12 AM

I have no problems with Scotland. Im sure after N. Ireland, it will be Scotland that wants independance. When I say Britain I say England. I dont consider Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland a part of Britain.

You never explained to me the tactic involved in dressing up like Arabs and killing Iraqi police. If these Iraqi police deserved it wouldnt it make sense to kill them without deception? I would like your explanation. Oh wait, you probably dont have freedom of speech. The King will have you thrown in the torture chamber somewhere in the church basement for treason and speaking out. Its ok I understand.

Posted by: jtw at September 25, 2005 10:09 AM

Right now what are you talking about you fucking idiot, First of all i like america the country and people but all your doing mate is giving your fellow country men a bad name, i know americans arent like you, you stupid fuck and america as much as i like it isnt perfect you know you probably have more problems right now than Great Britain does, gang warfare in LA where a shooting incident occurs every single day! i not goining to go on because it will sound like im taking the piss which is the last thing i want to do. 1 last thing the English language was spoken in scotland which the romans didnt invade.

Posted by: Billy at September 25, 2005 08:19 AM

Trooping be very careful with what you say. You arent talking to mudhut desert warriors. This is an AMERICAN website, if you want to come here and stand up for your joke of a country and your freedoms do it somewhere else. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA you are talking to. Dont start shit. If you dont like my opinion too fucking bad.

Instead of coming here talking shit why dont you learn why America and its freedoms are better then Britain. Then why dont you have some self dignity instead of taking it in the ass from your lord and try to bring about more freedom for yourself. Else you are a driveling MORON with no fucking SELF PRIDE who wants to talk about the fucking naming of some towns. ASSHOLE, BRITAIN DIDNT INVENT THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. ENGLAND WAS SETTLED BY THE ROMANS. WHY DONT YOU FUCKING LEARN HISTORY BEFORE YOU OPEN UP YOUR DIRTY FREEDOM HATING MOUTH LIKE THE REDCOAT YOU ARE.

I have no patience for people who want to have a discussion when they are clueless fucking shitbags that live in a foreign shitbag country that has no moral leg to stand on.

One more word and you will only be pissing me off more. Live out your faulted existance and shut the fuck up in the meantime.

Posted by: jtw at September 24, 2005 08:27 PM

As a political science major and vietnam veteran the 9\11 "attack" never passed the "sniff test". Now several books have been published directly linking the Bush administration to 9\11. Impeach hell, if not for our gutless congressional reps Bush and his cronies should be strung up from the nearest tree. By the way I am against capital punishment.

Posted by: Bill Hamilton at September 24, 2005 06:37 PM

"You are fake Americans and you should go back to Britain where you probably immigrated here from."

Grammar aside, jtw, I'm not a fake American, and niether are any of the other British on this site that have stood up for themselves, their brothers in arms and their country.
but what's more, I AM in Britain right now in England to be presise, in the city of Lancaster. (that would be the real one, as opposed to the one in California, Phillidelphia, Texas, or any other US state.) Actually that's a good point... How many of your cities are named after ours? New YORK? Birmingham,Alabama? Manchester, New Hampshire? hey, on that one you took a city AND a county name! any more? it's intresting
I would like to take time out to say that I DO like the US and it's peoples, it's just so dis-heartening when you actually discover and talk to the ignorant ones.

Oz- I love the crack about the American Beer...

Posted by: Trooping_the_Colour at September 24, 2005 05:14 PM

From what I have read thus far, not many of you seem to know the all-encompassing roll that any SOF is playing in this War on Terror. Most of you should stop trying to wrap your heads around it. It's way above your pay grade. XGman when you refer to western intervention, You would be refering to Operations like "Overlord". You may want to ask the Americans, British, and Canadians who are buried on foriegn soil about western intervention. Oh, or just ask your friends the french about western intervention. There is alot of finger pointing, and the blame game going on here. Let's remember how we got to this point. 19 ISLAMIC TERRORIST used planes as missles and destroyed lives, and property on US soil, right under our noises. They lied to achieve their mission. Islamic terrorist will lie again to gain jobs, status, and power for THE SAME MISSION of destroying lives,property and invoking fear. Now that we have come this far, some of you would like to turn back the clock and leave Iraq helpless to defend itself. XGman, diplomacy is great. But it only goes so far when you have people who only understand an "Iron Fist of Saddam". We have formed a "Coalition" of forces to acheive democracy in Iraq. I have personally lost friends here. Do not trivialize there efforts in Iraq, by "pulling chaulks" before the job is complete. I applaude the Brits on the successful rescue mission of thier own. If I was one of those Marines or SAS, even if I lose my life, I want to know that someones coming for me, and I won't be left behind.We need the Brits, Aussies, and the rest of the coalition in establishing new directions in an ever changing combat environment. I prefer to keep the War on Terror in Iraq, Iran, Syrian, anywhere but my backyard again. Oh XGman, the FREE flow of oil is currently costing about $3.50 in the US.

Posted by: Ray at September 24, 2005 12:20 PM

That's easy OZ, they stink ;)

Posted by: Cortney at September 24, 2005 05:45 AM

THE BRITISH COVERT OPERATORS WERE ATTEMPTING TO GATHER INFORMATION OF THE WHEREABUTS AND VULNERABILITY OF MUKTADR OR SOME OTHER SUBJECT WHOM THE BRITS OR AMERICAN WANT TO ASSASINATE. THEY WERE CAUGHT IN THE ACT AND ATTEMPTED TO EVADE CAPTURE USING SMALL ARMS THEY CARRIED FOR PROTECTION. BEYOND THE EMBARRASSMENT OF THE FAILED SPY OPERATION, THEY HAD TO BE RESCUED OR THE NEWS OF THIER MISSION WOULD HAVE SPARKED ALOT OF ANIMOSITY FROM THE SHIIA SIDE AGAINST WESTERN INTERVENTION. THIS IS ANOTHER PLAIN EXAMPLE OF WESTERN INCOMPETENCE AND THE COLD WAR RULES OF ASSASINATING LEADERS WHO AREN'T IN PART LINES WITH THE RIGHT WINGERS. TACTICS MUST CHANGE AND INCLUDE DIPLOMATIC INCENTIVES OR THE MIDDLEAST WILL EXPLODE ON THE OCCUPIERS. IN ANY EVENT, RUSSIA AND CHINA (HISTORICALLY MORTAL ENEMIES) ARE NOW PARADING THIER FINEST WAR SHIPS IN THE CHINA SEA FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS A SIGHN THAT THEY ARE COOPERATING TO PROTECT THIER HIGHEST INTERESTS IN THE MIDDLEAST AND AS A MESSAGE THAT THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE MUCH MORE OF BUSH'S MINDLESS MUSINGS OVER THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS IN THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY WHO ALSO HAVE VESTED INTERESTS IN THE FREE FLOW OF OIL. IF AMERICANS AREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT AN OMINOUS NUCLEAR CONFLICT IN AMERICA'S ECONOMIC AND MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, THEY WILL WHEN RUSSIAN AND CHINESE TROOPS LAND IN IRAN. REGARDLESS OF THE VALIDITY OF JUSTIFICATION FOR THE WAR ON TERROR, FROM WHAT I KNOW THERE WILL BE A RECONING WITH THESE NATIONS IF THIS REDICULOUS DRAMA ISN'T RESOLVED SOON. PEACE BE WITH YOU.

Posted by: XGman at September 24, 2005 12:57 AM

First of all, nice one Keith! (Most) Americans wouldn't know who John Cleese is. Personally I think American beer is a bit like making love in a canoe.....

"Hey guys think about what if we lost the revolutionary war? I can guarantee you we wouldnt be here on defensetech enjoying what our country is today with our personal freedoms we have." - jtw

- We enjoy the same personal freedoms in Australia and we're technically still 'ruled' by the Queen.
Which brings me to the American Revolution. It is unlikely America would have won the War of Independance if it wasn't for France. I can't understand American hatred of the French when, also if it wasn't for them, you'd probably still be a group of States on the east coast. I mean calling French fries 'Freedom fries' because France wouldn't join the coalition. Fuck! Can someone please tell me why Americans hate the French?

-oz

Posted by: oz at September 23, 2005 06:11 PM

I didn't see anyone mention the stated intention of AlQ and related groups or the threat posed by Iraq, so here goes.

AlQ desires to re-establish a Muslim empire reaching from Spain eastward to the Philippines.
Step 1 - remove US and other Western supports of the "apostate" governments of the nations in this swath.
Step 2 - Bring down the weakened governments and purify the empire of apostate Muslims.
Step 3 - Take on India, China, Europe and the USA and purify the world of infidel religions.

Step 1 is why we can't just bring our boys (and girls) home and sing "We Are the World".

Step 2 is why Saddam inked the non-competition agreement with AlQ. And why some Muslim nations get it and support (to some degree) the US and our blessed allies.

Step 3 is why some nations sit back and carp about "Bush's war", while they hope that to God (or gods or humanism or whatever they worship) that Bush succeeds.

Israel is not terribly significant in all these plans, and the US supporting Israel is less important to them than the US supporting Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc.

So, when we have knowledge (debated in the details but not disputed in macro) that
1 - Saddam and AlQ have ties
2 - Saddam does not hesitate to defy UN sanctions, pay off UN and other officials to ignore his activity, and attack aircraft enforcing the ceasefire on a weekly basis
3 - Saddam had WMD when the inspectors left
4 - there is evidence of an ongoing WMD program and efforts at concealment (the intel collectors and analysts didn't create the stuff that Powell presented to the UN, they just advised what was possible and prudent to assume it meant)
5 - AlQ has successfully carried out a major attack on the West and intends to continue till the West abandons Muslim nations
6 - Easily produced (by a nation) WMD can destroy a city (New York) versus a building (World Trade Center)
only an insane person or a sociopath obsessed with popularity would fail to act decisively and expeditiously against Iraq.

Posted by: Iceman at September 23, 2005 01:58 PM

anoying = enjoying.... typo sorry

Posted by: jtw at September 23, 2005 01:40 PM

Hey guys think about what if we lost the revolutionary war? I can guarantee you we wouldnt be here on defensetech anoying what our country is today with our personal freedoms we have.

That alone is something you should never forgive Britain for.

You are fake Americans and you should go back to Britain where you probably recently immigrated here from.

Posted by: jtw at September 23, 2005 01:39 PM

Lol I probably WOULD shit my pants. Scared for my life as we drive around in sand buggies through baghdad doing drive by's on iraqi police while angry mobs chase us with molotovs hoping sitting on our flak flackets will protect us from the IEDS we drive over all while thinking our psionic mental abilities will deflect incoming RPG's and bullets.

Thanks but no thanks, I will stay here and watch it unfold. We have made way too many mistakes for me to feel safe going there.

Posted by: jtw at September 23, 2005 01:27 PM

Uhhhh? This comment seems a bit odd to me: "sacrifices on our behalf? tell them thanks for the 2000 lives lost when we fought britain in the revolutionary war."
The Revolutionary War? Yes, I know my history. But please, that happened literally hundreds of years ago. The United States and Britain has had a lot of positive history since then.
I refuse to turn on the modern British for something that took place centuries ago.

Matt

Posted by: Matt at September 23, 2005 12:57 PM

JTW, JTW, JTW

(Said 3 times for effect like my mother used to when she was berating me as a youngster)

I think that you should have read up on some facts before you started to spout rubbish. What you said about London was like saying that America attacked itself on 9/11 to get support for a war in Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq. Was it your relatives that actually carried out 9/11 or 7/7? You sound like the type of fool who ends up supporting terrorist actions without realising it.

If you want to see how bad we Brit soldiers are, I invite you to accompany me to Iraq or Afghanistan on my next tour, where I will be working with US forces (we actually work together you know!). Sorry - after that invite you'll need a break for mummy dearest to change your pants seeing as you have just sh1t in them.

I hope my cousin - Nick, serving with the US Navy in the Gulf at the moment doesn't know you, I think he'd be embarrassed at how one of his countrymen could be so dumb.

Posted by: gsd at September 23, 2005 12:08 PM

keith...are you on drugs or something mate u chat shit! jtw you are a dick head! the UK & USA are doing a great job!

Posted by: Billy at September 23, 2005 09:57 AM

I was stationed near a British Navy helicopter squadron during Desert Storm. The one thing I know for sure - the Brits take their job and responsibility seriously, and they do it professionally. As in many other situations, I'm sure we don't have all the facts. I will continue to support the Brits and I'm glad they are our allie.

Posted by: Maryjane Baska at September 23, 2005 07:51 AM

UNITED KINGDOM REVOKES AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE.
A Message from John Cleese To the Citizens of the United States of
America.

In light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA
and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of
your independence, effective immediately. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen
Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths,
and territories (excepting Kansas, which she does not fancy).
Your new prime minister, Tony Blair, will appoint a governor for
America without the need for further elections. Congress and the senate will be
disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine
whether any of you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown
Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed
at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' will be
reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour.'
Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half
the letters, and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by the suffix "ise."
Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to
acceptable levels. (Look up vocabulary).
Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises
such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of
communication. There is no such thing as US English. We will let
Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted
to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize.
You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen.
July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.
You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,
lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists
shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be
handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing
someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to
handle a gun. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything
more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you
wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for
your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we
mean. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start
driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go
metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both
roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of
humour. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been
calling gasoline) - roughly $6/US gallon Get used to it.
You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French
fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips
are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal
fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually
beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as
beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to
as Lager. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's
Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.
Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys.
Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English
characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in Four
Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed
with a cheese grater.
You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of
proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in
time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American
football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or
wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).
Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to
host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played
outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world
beyond your borders, your error is understandable.
You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad. An Inland Revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government
will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all moneys
owing (backdated to 1776).

Thank you for your co-operation.

Posted by: keith at September 23, 2005 05:38 AM

Oh well, Britain is taking control of NATO forces in afghanistan next month, my guess is bin laden will be captured within the next couple of years. There are about 8.500 british troops in iraq or more 2 thousand of which i think shouldnt be there, it is time to build about 2 big bases for the Brits and send the 2 thousand troops to afghanistan to get the job done!

Posted by: Billy at September 23, 2005 05:10 AM

You know what? This is like history repeating itself. Instead of the the Jews being persecuted with Hitler's 'final solution' it's now the Muslims with a different dictator/s.
Who started this propaganda? Does no one know where this hate of Americans started from? Have a think about it.

.....

Nearly every terrorist web site denounces Israel & America (in that order). I'm afraid one race has made trouble (throughout history aswell) for the rest of the world. America is no longer America, it is Jewish controlled America. Oh but we are not supposed to know that! What a shame.

The only reason 'muslims' hate Americans and their allies is because America lets Israel do whatever the f**k they want to. Whether it be invading and massacring innocents to terrorist operations of their own. Why didn't the UN stop this!!!

No it's like 'revenge' for the persecuted of the past....'let's start a propaganda on those who oppose us and fill the world with their hatred.'
I can't believe so many people are one minded.

Get to the stem of the problem and fix it there. Stop the protection of Israel's illegal operations. Muslims only hate America and her allies becasue we support this (America supports Israel and the allies support America). Why are we so naive in todays society!!!

In turn, bring our troops home in an already unnecessary war. If some 'force' came to invade my country, I'd defend it too just like any of you. I'd be rife with rage if my family members had been 'accidently' killed during the invasion. I'd want revenge.
Unfortunately this Iraq war will never be won. Once America and her allies leave, rebels will take over. What a blunder! F**k those politicians for sacrificing their loyal troops lives!

Posted by: hello? at September 23, 2005 04:25 AM

I agree that not all Muslims are terrorists. One thing that troubles me is that a lot of Muslims don't speak out against these suicide bombers that are Muslim. Ever wonder what is up with that? However, they are quick to protest when things like Abu Ghraib occur.

Posted by: Hans Blix at September 23, 2005 01:38 AM

oz,Spot on eleven years in HM Forces(78-89) and the only terr's I came across where white and christian.If you look at the pre-eminant terrorist groups operating in Europe 70's-90's IRA(et al) ETA, Red Brigade and Barrder mienhoff it's all white Chritian. Even in the hey day of tha PLO,PFLP,Black September,they were cause based rather than religious zelots.
If you take the history of terrorist actions back to the 1940's through to the 1960's it's either cause or political idology based. The idea of muslim terrorism is reitivly new so to ascribe terrorism to one religeon is fundementaly wrong as they are using techniques developed by christian,zionist and communist terrorist groups.

Posted by: Tony at September 22, 2005 11:29 PM

jtw Your a keyboard commando, you don't get to pick your kit or ROE,you do your best with what you have to hand. More people died today in road accidents than serving in with US Forces in Iraq so to follow your logic you would cross the road if you could choose the road to cross and not the one you need to cross. Having read your posts I can only conclude that mommy still holds your hand when you cross the road, sleep safe jtw their are grown ups protecting you and don't forget your always mommys brave little soldier and you have School in the morning.

Posted by: Tony at September 22, 2005 11:05 PM

Were Timothy McVay or Theodore Kaczynski (the Unabomber) Muslim? Or are they classed as "criminals" because the word "terrorist" can only apply to Muslims?

-oz

Posted by: oz at September 22, 2005 10:33 PM

Ever notice that not every Moslem is a terrorist, however it seems that ervy terrorist is Moslem? Kill 'em all, let Allah sort them out.

Posted by: Woody at September 22, 2005 10:20 PM

I am USA retired, Former DIA, Viet Vet.
Comparing IRAQ to Vietnam would only make sense if we had occupied HANOI , HAip Hong, and there were no major powers supplying the VC, and the Regular North Vietnamesse Army we fought in NAM.

Last week in northern IRAQ we killed five hundred foreign terrorist by the Syrian border. That is five hundred that were not on the streets of LA, NY, London or Rome. It takes a much larger amount of manpower to fight then in our home countries then in IRAQ.

With a GPS transmitter, and some earth moving equiptment I could bury a million tonne of whatever out in the desert for later recovery.
IRAQ and AQ were allways trying to hide their connection.

CNN was amayzed when the people of Bagdad welcomed the US troops. It proved that all that they had previously reported from IRAQ was a lie.

I am greatfull for The UK in helping us in the COLD WAR against the USSR, and in IRAQ both times.

AQ does not hate us because we are in Saudi, or IRAQ, They hate anyone who is not one of them! They hate the Shia Muslims. Let them win, and soon they will be bombing Dublin, and Lisbon, Berlin and Paris. Because our women are free, and we drink a pint or two, or we are Christian.

Posted by: Robert Jewett at September 22, 2005 09:44 PM

Oops sorry, that should be "piss off a nation". I suppose jtw will now jump on that and make some comment about that little typo with intent to belittle me.
well, jtw... Bring it on!

Posted by: Trooping_the_Colour at September 22, 2005 08:59 PM

jtw... You really know how to piss of a Nation don't you? You sad little man!
Get a life son, and figure out who your allies are!

Posted by: Trooping_the_Colour at September 22, 2005 08:55 PM

Dear jtw,

I, for one, welcome your views jtw. You are a pillar of modern thinking and each point you make is backed up by solid evidence. You arguments are unquestionable and you have such an elegant grasp of the English language that I haven't seen since Winston Churchill. I'm sure I can find a place for you in my administration.

Yours,
G. W. Bush
President of the United States of America

Posted by: oz at September 22, 2005 08:53 PM

Im British too mate, TAT Trans Atlantic Task force,jtw ur gonna get fucked over if u ent carefull one day mate!

Posted by: Adam at September 22, 2005 08:47 PM

I've been trying to think up an appropriate response to any of the rubbish that jtw has vomited out on to this forum. I'm still struggling to. Well aware of what the nations are up against in Iraq, no one would be more pleased than me to withdraw all troops, British and American, out of the country, and do it overnight! Forget about saving face. Just get out and come home to whichever country you belong.
History... and The English. I'm English. and I am well aware of my nation's history. Every bit of it! and what's more... I love it!
Colonization and Empire Building? With the exception of the Swiss name me a European country that hasn't tried it at least once in their existance?
Slavery? It's sceptical exactly which European country started trading in it, but Britain was the first to outlaw it! Besides, Slavery had actually been going on within Africa itself for generations before the Europeans arrived.
Don't even ask about the Scots or the Irish. both are tales that can't be summed up in a Mel Gibson film and really shouldn't be approached without taking the time to read a hell of a lot of history books.
I'm sorry guys but it's so easy to pick out events from a history that goes back over 2,000 years and say we're bad, but what about a history that doesn't even cover 300 years, like yours?
One thing I notice that alot of people do is use contemporary thought to address the events of the past. You can't do it. The thought patterns of the past are different, and as a result the events of the past should be left there. there's no need to get stroppy because somebody's great,great,great,great,great,great-grandfather enslaved, shot, went to war against someone else's great,great,great,great,great,great-grandfather. That's just pathetic!
I have extended family in the US, some of them have served their country, and I have nothing but time for any nation's armed forces. it's not easy to do their job, but we all rely on the security it provides.
jtw... you piss me off!

Posted by: Trooping_the_Colour at September 22, 2005 08:40 PM

Yeh JTW Yeh because you been in control of our crown havnt u, the USA might have the best army,navy and airforce but we Brits have the best trained soldiers, best special forces and very good intelligence agencies which led to the capture of saddam huseein im a Brit going into the British army, jtw u are a sad twat who dont know SHIT!

Posted by: Chris at September 22, 2005 08:32 PM

sacrifices on our behalf? tell them thanks for the 2000 lives lost when we fought britain in the revolutionary war.

besides according to the definition of a terrorist organization, britain "could" be placed on the State's department list for assasinating sinn fein political figures in Ireland which is an act of terrorism.

maybe their plea bargain in joining the iraq war was to not be labeled as a terrorist nation.

now the sas warriors did good on killing some iraqi police unprovoked. i mean the only thing i have heard was that the iraqi police approached them on suspicions and got shot and later found a car packed down with explosives along with capturing the two british soldiers.

what tactic is this? some of you british soldiers here can explain this to me.

it doesnt make much sense you are driving around at all, not being able to stop IED's. What brilliant commanders do we have committing ground troops into an environment they face death at any moment?

fight to win. how about setting up huge bases and defending them and launching airstrikes on targets of oppurtunity instead of driving around killing police when they see two suspicious arabs and approach you.

MAKES NO SENSE.

But the Untied States does the same thing. As in wastes life by driving around like rambo in humvees. Yeah humvees are real tough. *bangs head into desk*

Use the right implements of war for the job,

WAH WAH WAH it takes too long remotely locating resistance elements. WAH WAH WAH I cant have visible progress in 4 years. WAH WAH WAH Im going to do it as quick as possible because im a pompous dickwad that doesnt understand the value of human life.

This isnt 1945, we dont have to throw ourself at landmines and charge with bayonets.

Take your goddamn time. How many civilians died already? I hear 10,000+. THAT IS ALOT OF DEAD INNOCENT PEOPLE.

And you people want to criticize me because I think Britain is a piece of shit country? Criticize yourselves for not knowing how to fight a war.

Iraqis are people too, they are not all guilty. Why disregard their safety with sloppy military operations.

That is what the Iraq war is. SLOPPY.

It looks like you guys have NO CLUE what you are doing.

The assault on fallujah looked real smooth. How many civilians died in that onslaught? Nice f16 footage dropping bombs over entire blocks. Did you check and see if anyone was home?

How about taking your time.

Was it necessary to get it done in 48 hours like shown on fox news. 100 soldiers lost in the two day onslaught of fallujah. Was it necessary? Do we really need to pull out every last one of them from their basements holed upw ith ak's and hand grenades. HArdly an immediate risk to national security where we have to sacrifice 100 soldiers lives to kill them all.

If another country invades my country I hope they exhibit a little more patience and clearer thought process on dropping 500 pound bombs. Let me set off a 500 pound bomb in your neighborhood and tell me if you arent scarred for life.

From my point of view we have fAILED to win the hearts of the Iraqis. and that was our goal. 700+ daily bombings is NOT Iraqi support.

Lets PACK 16 troops in ONE truck and drive it into Samarra. Real smooth. And then its drama on FOX when they run over an artillery shell.

an IED is a WWI tactic? Is this some joke? If you knew your little techno ivy league geeks didnt know right from left in detecting enemy implements of war you should of adjusted your tactic accordingly. As in lots of air bombardment, air insertions to setup airports, and then point defense at those locations. and continue on with air bombardment and recon. or some similiar variation.

I would say I could of orchestrated this thing more affectively in 4th grade.

1900+ lives, is a car bomb really a novel weapon?

No offense I love my country but the day I join the US Army is the day I am homeless. Im sure you guys would take good care of me, and extinguish every last option to not sacrifice my life uneedlessly.

I hope the soldiers support you more then I do. And I hope Iraq apprecaites it because they are giving up quite a sacrifice in being in Iraq.

So smarten the fuck up and end the way your fighting the war until you can pull your heads out of your asses and respect basic morals. not even crazy special forces no matter how willing should be conducting operations outside of their bases.

I would goto Iraq if I could plan and conduct my own operations (you let me pick my equipment and give me a green light on a specific mission plan). Else I couldnt trust being indoctrinated into my death by IED.

But pretty soon BAE will buy Raytheon and Northrup, if they havent already. Then when we are under control of the crown again I can laugh at your ignorance. We probably have a bunch of british sas behind the big red button controlling our nuclear arsenal already considering all of your attitudes. I would not doubt it.

Posted by: jtw at September 22, 2005 08:16 PM

JTW your a complete bellend dont chat shit about the Brits mate your obviously some fat twat sitting on his fat arse all day reading what people say and a movie to get your eveidence from. I know all americans arnt like this dick ed most of you are good people!

Posted by: Jimmy at September 22, 2005 08:05 PM

The blind patriotism and historical ignorance exhibited by people, including but not limited to, jtw, is a major reason why the US will continue to blunder into countries, guns blazing, for no logical reason *EXCEPT* to secure foreign markets.

History must be examined in its entirety and an opinion formed on a particular subject *AFTER* this examination. Basically people like jtw form an opinion in their head and look to history to provide supporting arguments.

THE TRUTH (IN MY OPINION)
The US is the largest consumer of oil and it's economy (as with the rest of the world's) depends on it. There is no question the US invaded Iraq to secure it's oil reserves. This may be an economically valid argument for war considering the fate of the economy if oil were to get to $200, $300 a barrel. BUT a soldiers mother doesn't want to hear that her son was killed so that farmer Joe can drive his tomatoes to market.
Thus a story is concocted to make it seem that the CAUSE is true and just and essential. Such as Iraq is linked to AQ and it has WMD's that it could give to AQ to attack the US. Thus her boy wasn't defending cold economic rationalism, he was defending America.

I'm sorry if this offends any soldiers or veterans. I mean no offence to you.

-oz

Posted by: oz at September 22, 2005 07:44 PM

bottom line is if you haven't been in a similiar situaion or served in the armed forces then shush.

Better to be Judged by 12 than to be carried by 6!
Get them out (back) any way it takes, cheers to the Brits on doing the right thing.

Posted by: Former Cav at September 22, 2005 07:14 PM

Thanks everyone for backing the Brits, now some question our involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan that the US doesnt need Britains help, well in a they dont but there are major things that the Brits have to offer, even though the US has the greatest army,navy,airforce in the world it would still cause alot of strein,resources,money and lives to go it alone. Now what does Britain have to offer?? well Britain has the best trained sodiers in the world, the best special forces and very good intelligence which led to the capture of saddam hussein. Together form the best fighting force the world has ever seen!

Posted by: billy at September 22, 2005 07:07 PM

Don't believe everything you read. The news has put a one sided spin on the war in Iraq ever since day one of the invasion. From not showing one good thing that coalition troops have done, to omitting the fact that their were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq(maybe not a stock pile, but they were there). Speaking as a non-commissioned officer who recently returned from Iraq, reporters and news agancy's quit pissing in our faces and support your troops

Posted by: Tommy Brodie at September 22, 2005 06:43 PM

as a current member of the navy, i don't believe everyone should just turn on the british so fast. the british have been allies to the united states for years and have helped us in iraq despite the british citizens not wanting to be involved. also what else were we supposed to do, saddam has no love for the united states and may have had involvement with terrorists as they say the enemy of your enemy is your ally.

Posted by: Sailor at September 22, 2005 05:04 PM

There is a reason why the US is in Iraq. For all you God fearing patriots if you don't know why capatilism works, take a good look at yourselves and how you live you life. I can't stand your moaning and denial. Actually do something instead of writing these pathetic excuses of a discusion.

Posted by: Kia at September 22, 2005 03:50 PM

I think JTW comments portray the negative side of American society it is people like that promote the feeling of resentment and distrust towards America.
To attack another country who have lost men in this war is indefencable.Would his solution to this problem be for the British troops to open fire on the civilains or should they show restariant and professonalisim .
His comment on British Special Forces shows his complete lack of knowledge .

clearly show how most people in America have no idea about foreign culutures and

Posted by: Stuart Smith at September 22, 2005 03:25 PM

This forum/shout out is breeding some morons I'm afraid....

"Why did the US and Great Britain unilaterally launch the war? To set in motion our policy. Let's face it, the American public did not need much convincing that attacking Iraq was necessary after 9/11."

*Retort*
Iraq nor Saddam were responsible for 9/11. Infact more than half of the hijackers were from Iran.

"The first thing we must realize is that we are fighting muslims who do not value life, nor do they believe in tolerance or value individual freedom as we do. They are all our enemies, and we must accept this fact before any progress can be made. The muslims have declared War on us, have attacked us on our own soil, and are committed to the destruction of the US and the free world. So for Bush and his administraiton to think that we can win them over is a fantasy.

Read the history, learn the facts and understand that Jefferson was the first American who had to deal with this Muslim issue."

Posted by: Ken Salyards at September 22, 2005 11:30 AM

*Retort*

Ken wtf man? All Muslims are evil are they? It's only the radical self proclaimed 'muslims' who are led to believe that the Koran & Allah wants them to defend their homeland. The true Muslim religion is full of peace and happiness.

You are getting your facts wrong. Which history books did you learn this tripe from? lol

"Oh and for all those who believe the insurgents are defenders of something riddle me this - is life so useless that you have to cowardly strap on explosives and blow yourself up - its quite funny the media never talks about the money involved, drugs, sex and everything else."

Posted by: GI Iraq at September 22, 2005 12:50 PM

The radical insurgents believe through the Koran that this will enlighten them and appease Allah. I do not condone this, but that is their warped belief.
What 'drugs, sex and everything else'? Has the US set up illegal brothels with syringe rooms next door to them? lol. Get a clue.

"I was amazed at how quickly those warriors burned up.

Is a molotov cocktail all it takes to disable an APC in the 21st century ?

Posted by: Raj at September 20, 2005 10:18 PM

THE PERISCOPE WAS SMASJED SO THEY HAD TO OPEN THE HATCH AND THEN A FIREBOMB WAS THROWN ONTO AND PETROL LEAKED IN."

Posted by: Dan - Stokester- at September 22, 2005 11:28 AM

*Retort*
The 'civilians' threw burning tyres onto the APC blinding their inside view. The crew were literally going to cook if they didn't get the f**k out. Gasoline was also thrown but the burning tyres disabled the APC.

It amazes me where some people get their construed/warped information from :/

Bush, Cheney & Halliburton = $$$
Halliburton = US defence and hurrincane contracts
I wonder who awarded Halliburton those multi-million dollar contracts, I really wonder?

Iraq and Afghanistan are stepping stones into Iran. Just you watch... (if America has enough troops though)

Bring back Clinton, support the troops, say no more.

Posted by: Armchair politician at September 22, 2005 03:15 PM

spell check, meant JTW, your an idiot

Posted by: fucnherb at September 22, 2005 02:51 PM

Interesting how far back some of this blame game is progressing, perhaps we should blame and hold accountable mistakes and transgressions of the Romans, Saxons, Greeks, Ancient Egyptians, the Churches (Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Islam, etc.), Mesopotamians, Franks, Huns, Persians, Syrians, Turks, and any one else who had influence on modern Europe and what is now the Middle East. Nothing constructive will come of generalizing an entire countries or regions people, as you may have seen with the attitude of the rest of the world toward us in the US. All cultures have good and bad, just that those outside the culture may transpose those labels.
I think one of the most important points here is to not make the judgment based on incomplete, biased or blatantly misleading facts. And all sides are presenting the full gambit of these. With that said, may as well include King Author, Merlin and Excalibur in the previous blame paragraph!
As for the English, or British if you like, we are a better country because of that relationship. If I recall my history correctly, British roots are largely Roman influenced and ours are largely British, yet one mistake that was rampant in the Roman History is still repeated blatantly today by both countries. We tend to conquer, train the conquered, and then act surprised that they use our own technological advances and tactics against us. Seems like 2,000 years of that and we would catch on!
Bottom line, if your not there when the shit hits the fan, you probably don’t know what got splattered.
And to prove I am not infallible, jtf, your an idiot.

Posted by: fucnherb at September 22, 2005 02:47 PM

I am disgusted by some of the anti British comments made above. The cowardly b*st*rds who posted them should be sent over to Iraq to see what a combat zone feels like, instead of sitting at home believing propaganda and playing at armchair heroes. Do you really believe that the soldiers just started firing at "civilians" for no reason? And why did our "pals" hand them over to the people who are killing American troops? This was a heroic rescue operation, that, for once, put the lives of the men first. Don't forget, soldiers do not choose their war, they just do their jobs and try to survive!

Posted by: keith at September 22, 2005 01:22 PM

Okay since nobody seemed to catch on to my previous comment here it goes: What if we went to war with Afghanistan and Iraq to isolate Iran and save bloodshed. Nothing more nothing less - except a calculation on determining the best avenue of approach.

Prior to our War on terrorism there was only one way into Iran now we have it surrounded and will bring it down.

Things are not so complicated that there has to be a conspiracy - quit wasting your time bitching, get a job and help your neighbor.

Oh and for all those who believe the insurgents are defenders of something riddle me this - is life so useless that you have to cowardly strap on explosives and blow yourself up - its quite funny the media never talks about the money involved, drugs, sex and everything else.

Posted by: GI Iraq at September 22, 2005 12:50 PM

I'm with Jay on this. The Brits have been our true allies for many years and to belittle the sacrifices they have made on our behalf is dishonorable.

Matt

Posted by: Matt at September 22, 2005 11:44 AM

One thing this thread seems to be missing is why did we go to Afghanistan and Iraq? The US has a policy dating from before WWI of taking the fight to the aggressor and not allowing the fight to be on US soil.

So the age old question of how do you get the people to support the war? Create fear in the people that they can be attacked again and fighting can be in the US. Americans as most civilized people in the world want to feel safe, especially in their own country. So the policy of taking the war somewhere else.

Iraq was a great candidate since Saddam had thumbed his nose at the UN Security Council many times. It was easy to build a case that Saddam was a bad guy (which he was) and use poor intelligence to make the case of invading Iraq.

Why did the US and Great Britain unilaterally launch the war? To set in motion our policy. Let's face it, the American public did not need much convincing that attacking Iraq was necessary after 9/11.

Although it is unclear if the US had or has any long term plannning in place around Iraq, but an obvious plan would be to control Iraq and use it to launch operations against Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq were mere stepping stones on the way to Iran (and probably North Korea). They are the worlds biggest problems.

The problem for the US of course was poor execution. Not from a military perspective, because our military is the greatest, but from a politcal one. Bush and Rummy mistakingly thought we could be friends with the Iraqi's through our age old process of appeasement. So instead of bringing Iraq to their proverbial knees, we thought surgical strikes could do the job.

So now we have a political nightmare, since our military is acting on behalf of the Iraqi government. What a political and policy disaster!

The first thing we must realize is that we are fighting muslims who do not value life, nor do they believe in tolerance or value individual freedom as we do. They are all our enemies, and we must accept this fact before any progress can be made. The muslims have declared War on us, have attacked us on our own soil, and are committed to the destruction of the US and the free world. So for Bush and his administraiton to think that we can win them over is a fantasy.

Read the history, learn the facts and understand that Jefferson was the first American who had to deal with this Muslim issue.

Posted by: Ken Salyards at September 22, 2005 11:30 AM

I was amazed at how quickly those warriors burned up.

Is a molotov cocktail all it takes to disable an APC in the 21st century ?

Posted by: Raj at September 20, 2005 10:18 PM

THE PERISCOPE WAS SMASJED SO THEY HAD TO OPEN THE HATCH AND THEN A FIREBOMB WAS THROWN ONTO AND PETROL LEAKED IN.

Posted by: Dan - Stokester- at September 22, 2005 11:28 AM

""we dont need britains pitiful 8,500 troops. WOW 8.500 TROOPS! THanks Britain! We can take over the world with 8,500 TROOPS! Awesome help thanks for securing ONE CITY! ""

8,500 IS ALOT OF PEOPLE AND DO ALOT FOR YOU YANKS!! STOP BEING UNGREATFULL IF IT WAS UP TO ME YOU LOT CAN DO IT ALL ON YOUR OWN.. THAT 8,500 BRITISH TROOPS ALOW 8,500 OF YOURS TO STAY AT HOME AND SEE THER EFAMILIES.. WORK IT OUT YOU RETARD.. THOSE 8,500 PEOPLE ARE RISKING THERE LIVES TO SAVE YOU GUYS TIME!

Posted by: Dan at September 22, 2005 11:22 AM

I love the right to free speech and an open forum for discussing important issues. Blood has been shed for that right. But will somebody please kick JTW's A$$! You watch too many movies, sport! The evil British Empire? Are you going to paint your face blue and challenge Tony Blair to a nut kicking contest? You are the next William Wallace! Get a grip! If you want the truth and not theory, go see your nearest Marine recruiter. He will set you on the path to enlightenment; a chance to put boots to ground and observe life first hand. You will actually see the good, bad, and the ugly that CNN and all the other monkeys get a quick shot of and run away to fabricate their meaningless, mindless Bush bashing. Please get a taste of reality and stop drinking the bong water!

Posted by: LT at September 22, 2005 10:45 AM

We just need to send celebrities down there and sing "Heal the World" in unison.

Posted by: MooMoo at September 22, 2005 08:55 AM

What constitutes a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden? We know they met at least twice. We also know that Saddam was paying the families of suicide bombers in Israel $25,000 when their kid blew themselves up. I might be crazy, but supporting Hamas bombers and supporting Al Qaeda doesn't seem like that big of a stretch. I have no sympathy for Saddam. I guess I am the only person who could care less if there where actually WMD found in Iraq. We KNOW he had them, why would he destroy them and not inform the UN and have the sanctions dropped? Either he still had them, or for some reason destroyed them but lied and said he still had them to keep people in fear of him. I don't know. Just trying to use some logic here. Either way he lied about still having them and got caught with his pants down, or he still had them. Either way in my opinion he got what he deserved. I have my own beliefs about why the UN didn't back up its own resolutions, but either way the sanctions were there for a reason. Everyone agreed he had the WMD's, but (hhmmmm) France, Germany, Russia, and China didn't want to do anything. Only history will tell if going to Iraq was right or wrong, good or bad. We were trying to clean up France's mess in Vietnam. We are a nation who has opposed Communism for almost a century now. I believe Kennedy was doing just that when he went there. It turned out badly because the military and the inheriting presidents were worried about PR. Vietnam was "bad" because we didn't fight to win. If we had won, would people think the same way about it? Instead we didn't fight to win and pulled out without having acomplished anything, so people feel bad about Nam. If we learn our lesson and do what we have to do to break the will of the guys who still want to fight us and help bring more stability to Iraq, Iraq will turn out ok. Honestly, I am not even a George Bush fan, but the people showed they want a democracy and a voice when they came to vote, we have to do our best to establish that for them and not let their country fall back into the hands of a ruthless dictator. If we do that, history will be on America's side. I don't want war, but I am reasonable enough to know that there are things worth fighting for and people who are worth fighting against. Wars have furthered peace, stability, and LIFE for people. We would all still be servants to kings if reasonable people hadn't had the courage to stand and fight. It is terrible that people die in war, but it can be for the good of many. If we stand strong in Iraq, it WILL be worth it.

Posted by: Liza at September 22, 2005 08:35 AM

Anyone who has a shred of intelligence would know that depending on getting accurate information from any of the news networks is like expecting whiskey to pour out of a cats a$$. I discovered enough information to convict Iraq of WMD development on the internet in less than 30 minutes. And that was using information restricted to nothing except pre-Bush dates and time frames. I have put criminals in jail for less information, but obviously the press has no interest in that, only in furthering their own agendas.

Personally, I do not believe the whole story about the jail break is known to anyone who was not there. If you think the news folks have got it down, once again take a drink of whiskey. My faith is with the British military and leadership. Their experience in this area goes back to at least 1920, and they have certainly learned how to deal with this sort of problem.

On the side, my favorite response to terrorism in Iraq occured in 1921. After the British assumed control of the area after WW1, the local clerics and revolutionaries decided to attack the British and "drive the infidels out". The British countered with force and the terrorists hid in a mosque, the some one Saydr was hiding in a while back. The British minister handling the problem promptly ordered the bombing of the mosque as the terrorists were using the buildings as a stronghold and as firing positions. The local leaders ran to the minister, saying "Do not attack that building, it is holy to our religion!!" The minister, according to what I read replied, "Yes, but it is your religion, not mine." The name of the minister was Winston Churchill, and he knew more about how to lead than anyone alive today!

Doug
Retired Army

Posted by: Doug at September 22, 2005 07:39 AM

I just want to say (as a veteran of OIF) that I support my President, I support our troops and I consider the Brits...a great friend.

I'm stationed in Germany now and see wounded soldiers everyday. Honest to God truth, 99% of them want to go back to Iraq.

I've heard good stories, sad stories, and horrific stories...yet they believe in what they are doing and have seen it first hand. It makes me proud to know that there are people in our Country willing to do what it takes. A lot of people could learn a lesson from these Brave Men and Women Serving.

We could argue till the cow comes home about why we are there or why we shouldn't be. The fact of the matter is, we're there now and that isn't going to change.

Reading through all these comments, I only have one other thing to say, jtw..your a f'n moron.

Posted by: Cortney at September 22, 2005 07:13 AM

WOW!! I tell you it amazes me how much people can not get over themselves. I have been to Afghanistan and Iraq as an Airborne Infantry Company Commander and have seen alot of arguments for all conspiracy theories. All of you who believe that AQ has no ties in Iraq, keep drinking the Kool Aid. Yeah my boys never found AQ propaganda and documentation on any raid we went on (note the sarcasm). Of course our President and his Cabinet are going to Judas connections at this point, they have had egg on their faces since this whole thing happened. Not hard to figure out that they dont seem to get all the facts.

As far as all you haters of either nation, get over it. The British and the US have deep ties to each other and should have. The Brits have been our best allies ever and we theirs (hey all you US haters remember that little conflict called the Falklands). I have trained with the Brits on many occassions and they have an outstanding military and I am sure their actions were warranted whatever the outcome.

We all know the media has its own version of the facts but we should also remember that many a time if it werent for media coverage we wouldnt be able to banter back and forth with each other over this issue.

As far as for those of you like JTW. Man EAT A D**K..you guys are the reason why your countries are looked upon as being ignorant and stupid. Think before you speak.

Posted by: MAJ G at September 22, 2005 07:06 AM

Well, how amazing are the comments! I am happy to note that some of you are aware of who and what the SAS is, and have noted that the troops surrounding the police compound DID NOT fire on the civilian mob when it would have been very easy to do and would have resulted in heavy casualties! Think of the discipline that represents! Ignoring the knee-jerk comments, please note the careful and punctilious attention paid to the protocols by the Commander on the ground - he followed every detail by the book, and only when that was completed did he impliment the diversionary tactic of an "attack" on the police compound (which itself was accomplished without casualty!) in order to invade the private house where the two troops were being held by the private militia, and again with no loss of life, and guess what guys - captured the bad guys as well! Quite different to a full on assualt with great loss of life don't you think?
As for the question of the fast burning track, note that the vehicle had made no offensive move and was not "buttoned up" for a combat mode. They are a heck of a lot more difficult to immobilise when in a battle mode.
Finally, please don't go there with any idea that the London bombing was a conspiracy. Make no mistake, the Brits were there when no one else wanted to know - unfortunately! For our sins, we now have the front line on our doorstep too. Well, we did have a chance after 9/11 to take a good hard look at our foreign policy and perhaps change it somewhat but instead we went off and put lots of expensive holes in the ground - just like we did in Vietnam with the same result - Bin Laden had a good laugh and disappeared. What a circus. Very sad, and unfortunately it will no doubt get worse.

Posted by: Ray G at September 22, 2005 06:44 AM

Hey, does anynone else think it would be hilarious if jtw found himself in Hereford by accident? Those SAS guys would love to hear his opinions.

I'm sure if all of us were in those two guys shoes we would be f*cking thankful that commander had the balls to rescue us.

Posted by: Jay at September 22, 2005 05:23 AM

Okay, let's get one thing straight, these boys are SAS, through training alone they have already been to 'hell & back'. They know ALL the ramifications involved in such a situation as arised in Basra recently. I don't doubt their integrity for a second and if they 'fired on the crowd' it was to save their lives under hostile situations. SAS are regarded as the pinnacle of Special Forces worldwide, they know what they are doing, so why even question them? They were there, we weren't.
I commend the actions of the officer in charge of the breakout to save these two troops. I believe the Iraqi police have corrupt factions and wouldn't trust them with my life or anyone elses for that matter of fact. Breaking down the wall of the Police station was probably the wrong thing to do as far as keeping good relations, but I would like to think the officer in charge gave orders to do so as a last resort. Obviously the Brits were desperate at that stage.
If the SAS troops had been handed over to militia as reported, it's better to have them rescued & alive then have their heads shown on Al-Jazeera propaganda tv. End of story.

Secondly, for the uninformed out there....the roots run so much deeper, pls read on....

Cheney and Bush have large business ties in Halliburton. Halliburton won (I wonder how this happened?)multi-million dollar supply contracts to the US military and recently hurricane Katrina.

Saddam was placed into government by the CIA as their puppet. The war with Iran was supported by the US as the US/Israel have had less than good relations with them for many years. The CIA even gave Saddam VX gas....scary. The CIA has also provided Israel with nuclear weapons.
Once Saddam oppossed thier *views* he was removed. Simple. It was not for 'oil', it was for: 1) democracy in Iraq, 2) protection for Israel against Iran (by the newly democratic Iraq), and 3) riches gained by contracts to Halliburton. Hypothetically a win,win,win situation...or so Bush thought.

This is a war of (construed) religion and alliance (America and Israel). From what I gather Arabic nations *hate* Israel with a passion (enough to blow themselves up) and will stop at nothing to destroy them. Here's where America comes into the picture....they have supported Israel's illegal occupations & operations for many years and frankly they (Arabs) are sick of it. So now these *rogue* nations hate the US. Unfortunate, yes... avoidable...yes also.

It all comes down to the $$$, and people's blood has been shed over this greed. Sever the economic and political ties with Israel and you can bet the 'global' situation will be a hell of a lot better. In fact, the Arab nations had no bar with the US before WW2...wonder why that has changed? (I'll leave you to figure that out)
I have nothing against Israel but I can understand the arabic peoples frustrations (mainly Palestinians). But the US have finally come down on Israel to pull out of the Gaza strip hoping to ease tentions...too late I'm afraid.

Lastly, if they ever 'find' Osama Bin Ladin, they will not tell you. Don't be so naive to think they will have him on 'Judge Judy' for the public to see on trial. He is either dead or has been captured. I doubt any incompetence of the Special Forces (of all allies) in not delivering one of those two options already.

These are FACTS. Please read, read, read and then some before you post. You only confuse the already naive.

Btw, sorry for such the long explanation but I felt it necessary for the largely uninformed out there.

With all politics aside I support the coalition troops 110% as they are there in the best interests of the Iraqi people, even if their governments are not.

Posted by: Steve at September 22, 2005 05:02 AM

ive seen it all now. brits go home, we're diluting the american's cause..well, i agree. we should go home and let the americans create a new order in iraq, one even worse than before. your president is a moron who is no more than a puppet for the big industry that salivated to get inside iraq and hoover up big contracts (hello dick c)

the american code of conduct in the middle east is appalling and i take heart from the fact that no evil empire lasts forever. especially one that fabricates evidence to invade another country. its amazing nobody ever thinks to why america is so universally hated around the world. surely there must be some intelligent people who live there who can a least discuss middle east, israel, the jewish actions towards palestine and maybe just maybe , think theres something absurdly wrong there that if properly sorted, might just stop the arab hatred of america growing????????

rob dempsey (ex Infantry and 5 airborne )

Posted by: rob dempsey at September 22, 2005 04:42 AM

I would like to say that jtw doesn't represent the typical American citizen. Unfortunately, a few tours through the 'deep' South and other red states have led me to believe that the people deserve whatever leader the Supreme Court gives them.

Ted Naylor, thank you for your service, both as a teacher and a soldier. It's refreshing to see that someone actually thought before they typed. Our overseas endeavors might be more fruitful if we planned and executed instead of just waving our pricks on TV.

I am an American fighting man. If my CIC orders me back to combat, I will not hesitate, because it is my sworn duty. That doesn't make Bush any less wrong.

By the way, if you want your point to be taken seriously, might I suggest a little less Caps Lock and a little more Spellcheck.

Posted by: US Navy CPO at September 22, 2005 03:54 AM

I could care less about all the politics to these arguements, no one will ever change anyone's point of view. I do have some serious reservations about the photo shown at the top! Do not show buringing coalition vehicles or wounded/killed coalition soldiers! The enemy uses these as recruiting propoganda, besides, if that was your son or husband how would you feel if some media posted that photo?

Posted by: Iraq Vet at September 22, 2005 03:10 AM

Not a single person who has responded to this blog is adequately informed or has any concept of strategy. Please, sit back - look at a world map and see if you can figure it out. If you can't than you are just a typical follower with blinders on.

Let me put it this way - how many Coalition Forces would we have lost if we had to invade Iran? Got it now - move on - we are there we are staying and the children of Iraq and Afghanistan love us for it.

Please do not act like you know what you are talking about when the only facts you have are the ones you read about. If you don't want us in the Middle East than quit murdering people - everybody knows the Middle East is better off now and if you don't think so ask Japan, Germany, Poland, France, Britain and so on.

Now for the provocative part:

How stupid are humans that we fight when we agree - Jews Christians and Muslims all believe in the same God they just disagree in the last representative - how stupid is it. And anybody who thinks the Jewish Bible is different from the Christian Bible is different from the Quoran is really ignorant - I mean come on and the Muslims are more righteous because their version is written in the original format - stupid stupid stupid and they get their young men to blow themselves up. Sure we aren't any better - but at least we fight for freedom and not redemption! Get a clue help somebody and have a nice day!

Posted by: GI Iraq at September 22, 2005 02:50 AM

JTW,

Don't make me laugh, you get your history from Braveheart!!! That pap?

And please get your terminology right - the British are the Scots, Welsh and Cornish. The English are the English. And as the United Kingdom didn't exist during the era of William Wallace, only became a reality between 1704 and 1707 with the Unions of Crowns and Parliaments, then the "Brits" didn't kill anyone, it was the English.

And your continued deriding of the UK shows you up to be nothing more than a bigot, a racist, blinkered fool.

With the IRA I recommend you read the book, The IRA by Tim Pat Coogan. It is quote big though and will take you time.

With World War 2, only the British bombed entire cities? We won't mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki then?

Posted by: Alistair at September 22, 2005 02:35 AM

JTW,

Firstly, you let your hatred for Britain cloud everything you say. Britain is the only country to have stuck through thick and thin in this war, and several over of your country's little escapades in the recent past. The British Armed Forces are among the best trained and most reliable in the world. And while the Americans go thundering along in their Humvees with body armour and helmets whilst getting massacred by insurgents, the Brits have been on the streets in regular gear and not generally getting done over. They call it experience and do a thoroughly professional job.

With the Northern Ireland issue, the Republic doesn't want the North back - why would they? The only people who are passionate about a re-unified Ireland are the Irish diaspora still living the days of Dev dreaming of poverty and sitting under the jack boot of the clergy, and a few headcases in the North.

And another thing, the Republic should take the North by force? Do you know nothing of the Irish Defence Forces? Ireland is a neutral country and thus doesn't attack other countries, oh well that's your notion flushed down the lav.

Scotland - how about you do us Scots a favour? We don't particularly enjoy England shoving its nose into our business but if you think we would take advice from anyone else then you can forget it. We will be independent, but we will do it when it suits us and we will do it in a way that doesn't destroy relations on our island.

But then it seems to be that you are out of touch with the modern world entirely. The nation state as defined by Westphalia is dying on its feet, the world is defined by regions.

So off you go, back to playing at toy soldiers from the safety of your log cabin in Montana and shooting squirrels.

Posted by: Alistair at September 22, 2005 02:26 AM

I find it more than a bit disgusting that alot of people jump to conclusions from several news reports. If you spent any time at all in Iraq (where I currently am) you know that the news rarely gets it right. I will stick by the side of the Brits, after all, aren't they about the only ones who stuck by our side?

Posted by: GySgt William Carroccia at September 22, 2005 01:12 AM

Spot on Ted

Posted by: oz at September 22, 2005 12:47 AM

As a retired school teacher (social studies) and a retired Army pilot (0-4) who served in Viet Nam and Desert Storm, I find it refreshing that we can have such interesting dialogue with such a diverse group that all call themselves Americans! Those that contend that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq are correct. However, the U.S., working with the UN spent much money and time getting rid of what was left after Desert Storm. Yes, it's possible some were stashed in the desert or shipped to Syria, but there is no substantial evidence that this occurred. I also believe that what can be proven indicates that there was no relationship between Al Kaida and Saddam. Of course, you can believe anything you want (did we really land on the moon? Is the earth really round?). I think we got the shaft in Viet Nam also. After reading Robert McNamara's book, "In Retrospect" he explained how the US government (really the presidency) lied to us in order to escalate the war. This was done with the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, passed by Congress, even though the attack by NVN gunboats on our ships never happened! McNamara admitted to being a significant part of the lie because LBJ felt that we needed to stop Uncle Ho, no matter the cost or the deception! Are we involved in another deception? Don't be sucked in by the propaganda that appeals solely to your emotions. And ask yourself this most important question: was almost 15 years of war, billions of dollars and almost 60,000 dead Americans worth what we got out of Viet Nam? and Are we headed down this same path with an unwinnable war in Iraq? Please, for all of our sakes, get over the emotional thing and get cerebral!

Posted by: Ted Naylor at September 22, 2005 12:40 AM

jtw, please take this link http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ally

Also please take the time to read up on the Scottish Wars of Independance (yes the USA wasn't the only country to fight a war of independance)

"..we should be funding and arming the IRA and Scottish movements the same way we liberated iraq." - jtw
Most people would call that 'State sponsored terrorism' and since you are fighting a war on terror, my advice is to stop yourself while you still can!! Aim all your nukes at major US cities and "make the world safe for democracy".

-oz

Posted by: oz at September 21, 2005 11:10 PM

tony.

i dont know the history. all i know is that the ira attacked people who were supporting england's conquest of ireland. and i know it included irish citizens and i know it included english citizens and british military.

I dont know their full history, but to me they seem honorable warriors.

England bombed entire german towns in WWII, killing women and children and thousands of people. WHAT LOGIC DO THEY HAVE SAYING THE IRA ARE TERRORISTS? They were bombing people for the cause of disrupting germans military. the IRa was bombing people in attempt to disrupt england at taking over Ireland. What is the difference?

The United States did the same in any war its fought in (you dont win wars by not attacking your enemy), and the same as Britain has done in any war they have fought in.

When you crash airplanes into civilian non military or industrial buildings it might not be an honorable tactic. If you take over a school with bombs and kill a bunch of kids (chechyna) it is not an honorable tactic. If you fight against grown men who are on the enemies side and you attack legitimate targets, that is WAR.

And war is honorable. Because enemies wouldnt be enemies if they were reasonable people.

I regret my country labels the IRA as a terrorist group. Although I do not know their full history, they dont appear to be one to me.

And being Scottish, Irish, and English myself, I want to see Scotland and Ireland become their own countries. My english in me is a type that doesnt like britain, as in someone who would of fought britain in the 1700's. And I have sympathy for how Scotland was invaded and how Ireland was invaded and I dont like Britain for it.

Posted by: jtw at September 21, 2005 10:52 PM

oz-

an allie is a country that has the same ideal of personal freedoms and liberty that the United States has.

britain is the same exact country today then it was when we fought them.

it is like making a pact with the devil to take an easier route in accomplishing a goal.

principals and morals should say it would be better to go at it the hard way (alone) until they recognize freedom and conform to our ideals entirely.

they should be called the terrorists for Ireland and Scotland not allies in the global war on terror.

From what I understand Ireland wants a part of their country back and Britain is not giving. Scotland at one time wanted independance but didnt get it.

screw them. we should be funding and arming the IRA and Scottish movements the same way we liberated iraq.

i am a united states citizen, i dont live in a communist country. i beleive in the freedoms I have and the constitution i live under and protect. I wouldnt want to live in Britain. And I wouldnt want to see a country I dont like go into Iraq and make them hate us any more then they already do. I have to think that there are good people in Iraq and that we are trying to help them for a reason.

But im sure if Britain had its way they would put Iraq under control of the King and QUeen and call them a commonwealth.

Send Britain home. Tell them thank you but no thank you.

Posted by: jtw at September 21, 2005 10:29 PM

Given the coverage by the press on the incident in Basra I find it odd that no one has been able to name the police man allegedly killed in the initial incident or interviwed his family/ covereds his funeral all of which would back the police account. Why did the police in Basra ignore a govnment order ( reiterated several times ) to release the two soldiers to the UK forces in accordence with current practice as stated by the Iraqi govenment.

jtw try reading up on modern Irish history particularly on the partition. Then take a trip to the cain archive and do the math on who has been responsible for the vast majority of civilian deaths/ the deaths of non combatant catholics and the killing of known terrorists in NI over the last 30 years.
Answers on a post card to the IRA have been responsible for killing more catholics / civillians / their own members than the British Army,RUC,UDR or protestant paramilitary groups combined but thats something we dont like to mention as it might make us look bad in America competition.

Posted by: Tony at September 21, 2005 10:09 PM

jtw, I don't know where to start...so I won't. You summed it up nicely yourself when you said "call me a crackhead or weird". So... you're a crackhead and weird.
The prosecution rests Your Honour.

-oz

Posted by: oz at September 21, 2005 09:08 PM

i would rather be a conspiracy theorist then beleive everything the media says.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/19/AR2005091900572.html?nav=rss_world <--Iraqi police accuse them of planting bombs.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article313848.ece <-- UK News source admits that the british soldiers shot two iraqi police, killing one. This was posted 1 day after they were captured.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050919/REPOSITORY/509190348/1013/NEWS03link <-- Britain captures some Basra militiamen for negotiations chips to get their soldiers back. Now why out of the blue do they arrest these guys. If they were bad guys they should of been arrested regardless if british soldiers were captured. Are they kidnapping innnocent Iraqi's now as pawns? This is akin to someone kidnapping your family for ransom.

7/7 looked like a conspiracy to me. call me a crackhead or weird but the way I look at it is that I have no proof 7/7 actually happened. It could of been staged and noone was actually hurt and it had been a stageshow. That is not something impossible.

And if your evil, blowing up iraqis in car bombs and drive by shootings under the name of some "shiite militia" group would actually work in your favor. So when I hear about SAS momo's with m4's and 500 pound walkie talkies dressed up like Iraqi's supposedly carrying and planting explosives it makes me wonder.

We already know Britains murderous past. Including against the United States. If they were capable of murdering hundreds of thousands in the not so distant past, I think they would be capable today. I mean they have invaded alot of countries and killed alot of people.

Like the movie Braveheart. They killed alot of Scot's.

The movie Joan of Ark. They killed alot of French.

If I was Britain I would disband the country in shame. I mean only 50 years ago they publically executed anyone who spoke out against the King or Quenn.

They are a sore on humanity. Yes the United States had slavery, but we also fought a war to abolish it (among other things). But then you have hip hop, crime and prison statistics. So maybe african people are to blame for their own problems.

we dont need britains pitiful 8,500 troops. WOW 8.500 TROOPS! THanks Britain! We can take over the world with 8,500 TROOPS! Awesome help thanks for securing ONE CITY!

They wont even recognize Northern Irelands sovereignty. And the IRA is evil somehow. They are hypocrite's. I wonder what British civilians would do if Ireland invaded England. They would call themselves heroes for fighting. But Ireland is evil.

I will take the side of IRA, I mean Ireland never invaded anyone before or murdered nearly entire civilizations like Britain has.

If I was President I would send some Marines to help them on their way back to their little island they came from and to send the Navy to make sure they stood there. We dont need their help in any world stability. If all they are willing to send us is 8,500 warriors with small units of Arab SAS bomb cars shooting Iraqi police in drive by's they should save us the humiliation.

Posted by: jtw at September 21, 2005 08:52 PM

The bottom line is anyway:

How can we come out from this mess?

We are still thinking we can turn Iraq in a friendly and peaceful democratic nation?

Is this Iraqi gov having any chance of survival without our tanks, guns and dollars?

How can be that British citizens born in