Hello,

What you guys don't get is this...a Very Simple fact

Chrucheve at the end of the war told us that he would get us from within without firing a shot.
Well...guys...
He has...!!!

1.
They send their people here for years, INFILTRATING INTO OUR SOCIETY
2.
targeted our schools,
3.
our universities, as professors, and recruiting students...(such as Hillory Clinton admitted she was a card carrying socialist in college...Bill Clinton went to russia during his college years...making a deal...they financed him into the Governorship and on into the white house,,,keeping him on a leash with Hillory controlling him, and their KGB agents killing off anyone that got in the way...
4.
The American communist party Head created the ACLU and was head of i, and financed it till today.
The ACLU FINANCES THE NAACP...LEADING THEM AND MOTIVATING THEM TO THINK...SOCIALIST....
5.
Targeted the American People's Party(DEMOCRATS)
and ran out the real American people, now they control the government from within.
They have infiltrated the Republicans and have won control...MCCAIN
6.
Bought up all of our Publishing Houses THAT PRINT OUR SCHOOL BOOKS rewriting our history and leaving out the important parts
7.
Print OUR BIBLES, and reprint our bibles every few years with subtle changes,
8.
Bought up our Movie Industries, now program our children and people with bent viewpoint movies and get our Comedians to mock Middle class Whites for the past 27 years...making the world think they are dirty, criminal, whores male and females, illiterate, exploiters of natural resources, stupid, and religiously stupid, etc.
ALL THE WHILE YOU SEE SOCIALIST ARE VERY WEALTHY AND DRIVE EXPENSIVE CARS, LIVE IN HUGE HOUSES IN L.A. AND NEW YORK, BUT SPEAK THAT OTHERS SHOULD CONFINE THEIR SPENDING AND USE OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
9.
Attacking religions World Wide, and the ability to say Merry Christmas or wear Christmas colors during the Holidays. In Albania, if you say GOD BLESS YOU OR BLESS YOU WHEN SOMEONE SNEEZES THEY TAKE YOU TO JAIL...They are trying to do the same here in this country...
10.
Control all of Psychiatry... that labels a high percentage of us with FAKE mental illnesses and drug us down AS THEY HAVE IN RUSSIA WHERE 85% OF THEIR POPULATION IS ON MIND NUMBING PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS...
11.
Have pretended to be MORE PEACEFUL SO THEY CAN JOIN THE UNITED NATIONS now they rule it from within....
12.
Get other countries to GO SOCIALIST and they in turn put pressure on us ...surrounding us...
A girl from Mexico applied for a job at my place.
She said she was born in Mexico but raised in Calif since age 3. Every year she went back for a visit, and when she was a teenager she was recruited by the Socialist there. She thought it was really great. But when she got older she wanted to go and see what the actual Socialist practice was in society. She bought a ticket and went to one of the Russian satelite countries, and when she got there she was in SHOCK. She found that THERE WAS ...NO RUNNING WATER..NO ELECTRICITY..NO GAS FOR FIRES...AND YOU Had to WALK EVERYWHERE....
SHE SAW IN DETAIL THE POVERTY...OF SOCIALISM..WHILE THE BEAUROCRATS ALL LIVED IN BIG HOUSES, AND ATE THE BEST FOOD...WHILE OTHERS WERE ILLITERATE AND SLAVES.
AND THIS IS WHAT HILLORY AND THE REST OF THE SOCIALIST WANT TO TURN US INTO...??
13.
Get us from within to give up the panama Canal allowing China to control both ends today, so we can't defend ourselves.
14.
Get our people to think we are safe because we have satalite missile coverage, but allowing china to develop missile ability to knock down our sitalites in seconds so we can't defend ourselves.
15.
Rile up the Middle Eastern countries to HATE AMERICA...and rile the European countries to disrespect us....and hate us...calling us Stupid Cowboys...Long before Bush was elected...for years anywhere you saw that term, you knew Russia was behind the words, no matter who's mouth they came from
16.
Get socialist people from all countries to come here, and get jobs in important positions, such as immigration and from within pushing Russians to come at top level numbers.
17.
such posts as social security and without congressional screening...write new laws that give Retirement Social Security to ILLEGAL MEXICANS sending checks to Mexico....even if they worked for less than 2 years...
18.
Get jobs within IRS and change our internal laws to allow agents to Seize people's property on trumped up charges and the agent gets 35% of the money.
19.
Allows IRS agents to FARM OUT PROCESSING OF OUR IRS RETURNS IN INDIA..WHERE THE AMERICAN HATERS, OR JUST CROOKS CAN SPOT WEALTHY PEOPLE AND TIP OFF A RELATIVE IN THE U.S. THAT WORKS INSIDE THE IRS AND THAT AGENT THEN GOES AND SEIZES THE PROPERTY AT GUNPOINT, ON TRUMPED UP CHARGES AND THE TWO SPLIT THE 35% THAT THEY GET.
20.
Control our Newspapers and Radio and TV so only socialist viewpoints are published or put out in our news or Movies so our younger people have nothing to reference to.
21.
Starting in the 1970's sending people around to schools and Libraries to List every book and put a label on them...LOOKS INNOCENT ENOUGH but then publishing a LIST OF BOOKS that are allowed in PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND SCHOOLS and all the rest are SOLD OFF...a COVERT METHOD OF BOOK BURNINGS...
now on the so called N A T I O N A L Secure viewpont they are using our tax dollars to force Librarians and book stores to give list of books for all the people that buy or check out books.
22.
PUTTING IN POLITICALLY CORRECT VIEWPOINTS INTO SOCIETY...AND THEN FORCING PRIESTS IN THE MILITARY CHURCHES TO SPEAK THAT WAY...WITH PEOPLE WATCHING IN THE BACK...THEN CARRYING THAT VIEWPOINT INTO LOCAL CHURCHES...WITH PEOPLE THREATENING PRIESTS AND PREACHERS....THE SAME WAY THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE TAKING OVER ...ALBANIA...IN A SLOW BUT STEADY MOVE INTO ALL OF OUR PARTS OF SOCIETY...
23.
Getting our military...from within....to shut down all of our military bases around the country...and selling our docks quietly to the Chinese Military, where they dig deep trenches for subs to come up and mine the areas for others not to be able to get there.
24.
Creating concentration camps in almost every state since the early 1990's where political prisoners are already being held since before the year 2000, and one in Denver area had a building that had gas chambers and a huge pit dug outside..
25.
Get 92 countries in the United Nations to have as a LAW that allows Doctors and Psychiatrist to be able to do Electric Shock and Drug Experiments on ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18, OR IF THEY HAVE A FATAL ILLNESS, OR IF THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 50...THEY CAN GIVE THEM A SHOT AND ELIMINATE THEM.
(WHY?....OLD PEOPLE REMEMBER..AND ELIMINATING OLDER PEOPLE IS ALWAYS THE FIRST THING ONT HE AGENDA WHEN ANYONE TAKES OVER ANY COUNTRY, THEY KILL OFF THE OLDER PEOPLE, MIDDLE WEALTHY PEOPLE, AND THE GENETICALLY UNDESIRABLES, AND ANYONE NOT ON THEIR SIDE.)
DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION NOVEMBER OF 1998, HE DID NOT SIGN THIS AS A LAW IN THE U.S.
BUT THE...FDA INFILTRATED WITHIN...CREATED A ...CODE OF CONDUCT...THAT ALLOWED THE SAME THINGS HERE IN THE U.S. ...Now Psychiatrist and Doctors CAN COME INTO YOUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOLS WITHOUT PARENTS PERMISSION OR KNOWLEDGE AND DO EXPERIMENTS ON YOUR CHILDREN.
BILL AND HILLORY CLINTON DID PUSH THROUGH AND GIVE PSYCHIATRY 3 BILLION DOLLARS FOR OVER A 10YR PERIOD TO DO EXPERIMENTS ON OUR SCHOOL AGE AND PRESCHOOL CHILDREN...AND TO TEST THEM TO SEE IF THEY WERE INSANE...AND TO TEST THE UNBORN CHILD TO SEE IF THEY WERE INSANE...????

Hillory (an admitted card carrying Socialist in college) also tried to push her National Health program...and in it ALL CITIZENS WERE TO BE FORCED TO TAKE A SPECIFIC ...INOCULATION...
Why? ...laced with Genetically Engineered viruses that attack SPECIFIC GENETIC LINES, to lay dormant to come out later when the immune system dropped...allowing new illnesses to KILL OFF THE UNDESIRABLES...AS RUSSIA AND NAZI GERMANY DID FOR YEARS.
26 Why do you think there are so many FIRES in the past years burning our forests, our ranch lands, and farms....
I have tracked at least 14 different groups over the years that are socialist front groups.
Take PETA...A SOCIALIST FRONT GROUP BASED IN SOCIALIST FRANCE. BURNING TOWNS, KILLING PEOPLE...PRETENDING TO BE A CARING GROUP TO PROTECT ANIMALS, BUT FREEZING TO DEATH 1/2 OF ANIMALS DONATED SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM.
Take THE EARTH LIBERATION FRONT GROUP....burning shopping center, blowing up phone towers and blowing up dams...
Take the group of 36 caught and arrested in Oregon that was setting fires all away across the U.S. clear down to Tennessee...
Recall what we did before attacking areas in Nazi Germany...blowing up bridges, fuel depots, phone and telegraph lines...
these are foot soldiers...recruited from our innocent children making them think they are doing something good...using our people to attack us...burning our natural resources, our food stocks, meat and vegetables burned..our wood supply..our forests...
SIERRA CLUB pretending to protect us, while suing the Army core of engineers stopping them in court...from fixing the Levees in New Orleans...year after year when they try to repair or widen it...and BRAGGING IN THEIR FIRST MEETING AFTER KATRINA HAPPENED...AS TO THEIR SUCCESS...
27.
Why do the older and younger men that stand behind Hillory during her Campaign stand and dote on her with eyes fastened to her..bobbing their heads...up and down as she constantly bobs hers ..in the Subconscious subliminal technique to AGREE WITH HER...always in the back of her...so people are thinking that ALL agree with her...and then they will vote for her.???
Why? Because they will be ALLOWED TO LIVE...all the rest are listed to be eliminated...
72% percent of the U.S. Population is of a specific genetic bloodline that is on the list for elimination.

You are so curious as to why the people in Govt acts the way they do...they are the infiltrators, the Invaders...the Front Groups...the Foot soldiers, the spys....the creators of Chaos, confusion, and fear...breaking down our rules, our control...as you do when you attack a country.

Posted by: dayze10255 at May 7, 2008 01:16 PM

Hello,

What you guys don't get is this...a Very Simple fact

Chrucheve at the end of the war told us that he would get us from within without firing a shot.
Well...guys...
He has...!!!

1.
They send their people here for years, INFILTRATING INTO OUR SOCIETY
2.
targeted our schools,
3.
our universities, as professors, and recruiting students...(such as Hillory Clinton admitted she was a card carrying socialist in college...Bill Clinton went to russia during his college years...making a deal...they financed him into the Governorship and on into the white house,,,keeping him on a leash with Hillory controlling him, and their KGB agents killing off anyone that got in the way...
4.
The American communist party Head created the ACLU and was head of it, and financed it till today.
The ACLU FINANCES THE NAACP...LEADING THEM AND MOTIVATING THEM TO THINK...SOCIALIST....
5.
Targeted the American People's Party(DEMOCRATS)
and ran out the real American people, now they control the government from within.
They have infiltrated the Republicans and have won control...MCCAIN
6.
Bought up all of our Publishing Houses THAT PRINT OUR SCHOOL BOOKS rewriting our history and leaving out the important parts
7.
Print OUR BIBLES, and reprint our bibles every few years with subtle changes,
8.
Bought up our Movie Industries, now program our children and people with bent viewpoint movies and get our Comedians to mock Middle class Whites for the past 27 years...making the world think they are dirty, criminal, whores male and females, illiterate, exploiters of natural resources, stupid, and religiously stupid, etc.
ALL THE WHILE YOU SEE SOCIALIST ARE VERY WEALTHY AND DRIVE EXPENSIVE CARS, LIVE IN HUGE HOUSES IN L.A. AND NEW YORK, BUT SPEAK THAT OTHERS SHOULD CONFINE THEIR SPENDING AND USE OF NATURAL RESOURCES.
9.
Attacking religions World Wide, and the ability to say Merry Christmas or wear Christmas colors during the Holidays. In Albania, if you say GOD BLESS YOU OR BLESS YOU WHEN SOMEONE SNEEZES THEY TAKE YOU TO JAIL...They are trying to do the same here in this country...
10.
Control all of Psychiatry... that labels a high percentage of us with FAKE mental illnesses and drug us down AS THEY HAVE IN RUSSIA WHERE 85% OF THEIR POPULATION IS ON MIND NUMBING PSYCHIATRIC DRUGS...
11.
Have pretended to be MORE PEACEFUL SO THEY CAN JOIN THE UNITED NATIONS now they rule it from within....
12.
Get other countries to GO SOCIALIST and they in turn put pressure on us ...surrounding us...
A girl from Mexico applied for a job at my place.
She said she was born in Mexico but raised in Calif since age 3. Every year she went back for a visit, and when she was a teenager she was recruited by the Socialist there. She thought it was really great. But when she got older she wanted to go and see what the actual Socialist practice was in society. She bought a ticket and went to one of the Russian satelite countries, and when she got there she was in SHOCK. She found that THERE WAS ...NO RUNNING WATER..NO ELECTRICITY..NO GAS FOR FIRES...AND YOU Had to WALK EVERYWHERE....
SHE SAW IN DETAIL THE POVERTY...OF SOCIALISM..WHILE THE BEAUROCRATS ALL LIVED IN BIG HOUSES, AND ATE THE BEST FOOD...WHILE OTHERS WERE ILLITERATE AND SLAVES.
AND THIS IS WHAT HILLORY AND THE REST OF THE SOCIALIST WANT TO TURN US INTO...??
13.
Get us from within to give up the panama Canal allowing China to control both ends today, so we can't defend ourselves.
14.
Get our people to think we are safe because we have satalite missile coverage, but allowing china to develop missile ability to knock down our sitalites in seconds so we can't defend ourselves.
15.
Rile up the Middle Eastern countries to HATE AMERICA...and rile the European countries to disrespect us....and hate us...calling us Stupid Cowboys...Long before Bush was elected...for years anywhere you saw that term, you knew Russia was behind the words, no matter who's mouth they came from
16.
Get socialist people from all countries to come here, and get jobs in important positions, such as immigration and from within pushing Russians to come at top level numbers.
17.
such posts as social security and without congressional screening...write new laws that give Retirement Social Security to ILLEGAL MEXICANS sending checks to Mexico....even if they worked for less than 2 years...
18.
Get jobs within IRS and change our internal laws to allow agents to Seize people's property on trumped up charges and the agent gets 35% of the money.
19.
Allows IRS agents to FARM OUT PROCESSING OF OUR IRS RETURNS IN INDIA..WHERE THE AMERICAN HATERS, OR JUST CROOKS CAN SPOT WEALTHY PEOPLE AND TIP OFF A RELATIVE IN THE U.S. THAT WORKS INSIDE THE IRS AND THAT AGENT THEN GOES AND SEIZES THE PROPERTY AT GUNPOINT, ON TRUMPED UP CHARGES AND THE TWO SPLIT THE 35% THAT THEY GET.
20.
Control our Newspapers and Radio and TV so only socialist viewpoints are published or put out in our news or Movies so our younger people have nothing to reference to.
21.
Starting in the 1970's sending people around to schools and Libraries to List every book and put a label on them...LOOKS INNOCENT ENOUGH but then publishing a LIST OF BOOKS that are allowed in PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND SCHOOLS and all the rest are SOLD OFF...a COVERT METHOD OF BOOK BURNINGS...
now on the so called N A T I O N A L Secure viewpont they are using our tax dollars to force Librarians and book stores to give list of books for all the people that buy or check out books.
22.
PUTTING IN POLITICALLY CORRECT VIEWPOINTS INTO SOCIETY...AND THEN FORCING PRIESTS IN THE MILITARY CHURCHES TO SPEAK THAT WAY...WITH PEOPLE WATCHING IN THE BACK...THEN CARRYING THAT VIEWPOINT INTO LOCAL CHURCHES...WITH PEOPLE THREATENING PRIESTS AND PREACHERS....THE SAME WAY THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE TAKING OVER ...ALBANIA...IN A SLOW BUT STEADY MOVE INTO ALL OF OUR PARTS OF SOCIETY...
23.
Getting our military...from within....to shut down all of our military bases around the country...and selling our docks quietly to the Chinese Military, where they dig deep trenches for subs to come up and mine the areas for others not to be able to get there.
24.
Creating concentration camps in almost every state since the early 1990's where political prisoners are already being held since before the year 2000, and one in Denver area had a building that had gas chambers and a huge pit dug outside..
25.
Get 92 countries in the United Nations to have as a LAW that allows Doctors and Psychiatrist to be able to do Electric Shock and Drug Experiments on ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18, OR IF THEY HAVE A FATAL ILLNESS, OR IF THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 50...THEY CAN GIVE THEM A SHOT AND ELIMINATE THEM.
(WHY?....OLD PEOPLE REMEMBER..AND ELIMINATING OLDER PEOPLE IS ALWAYS THE FIRST THING ONT HE AGENDA WHEN ANYONE TAKES OVER ANY COUNTRY, THEY KILL OFF THE OLDER PEOPLE, MIDDLE WEALTHY PEOPLE, AND THE GENETICALLY UNDESIRABLES, AND ANYONE NOT ON THEIR SIDE.)
DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION NOVEMBER OF 1998, HE DID NOT SIGN THIS AS A LAW IN THE U.S.
BUT THE...FDA INFILTRATED WITHIN...CREATED A ...CODE OF CONDUCT...THAT ALLOWED THE SAME THINGS HERE IN THE U.S. ...Now Psychiatrist and Doctors CAN COME INTO YOUR CHILDREN'S SCHOOLS WITHOUT PARENTS PERMISSION OR KNOWLEDGE AND DO EXPERIMENTS ON YOUR CHILDREN.
BILL AND HILLORY CLINTON DID PUSH THROUGH AND GIVE PSYCHIATRY 3 BILLION DOLLARS FOR OVER A 10YR PERIOD TO DO EXPERIMENTS ON OUR SCHOOL AGE AND PRESCHOOL CHILDREN...AND TO TEST THEM TO SEE IF THEY WERE INSANE...AND TO TEST THE UNBORN CHILD TO SEE IF THEY WERE INSANE...????

Hillory (an admitted card carrying Socialist in college) also tried to push her National Health program...and in it ALL CITIZENS WERE TO BE FORCED TO TAKE A SPECIFIC ...INOCULATION...
Why? ...laced with Genetically Engineered viruses that attack SPECIFIC GENETIC LINES, to lay dormant to come out later when the immune system dropped...allowing new illnesses to KILL OFF THE UNDESIRABLES...AS RUSSIA AND NAZI GERMANY DID FOR YEARS.
26 Why do you think there are so many FIRES in the past years burning our forests, our ranch lands, and farms....
I have tracked at least 14 different groups over the years that are socialist front groups.
Take PETA...A SOCIALIST FRONT GROUP BASED IN SOCIALIST FRANCE. BURNING TOWNS, KILLING PEOPLE...PRETENDING TO BE A CARING GROUP TO PROTECT ANIMALS, BUT FREEZING TO DEATH 1/2 OF ANIMALS DONATED SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM.
Take THE EARTH LIBERATION FRONT GROUP....burning shopping center, blowing up phone towers and blowing up dams...
Take the group of 36 caught and arrested in Oregon that was setting fires all away across the U.S. clear down to Tennessee...
Recall what we did before attacking areas in Nazi Germany...blowing up bridges, fuel depots, phone and telegraph lines...
these are foot soldiers...recruited from our innocent children making them think they are doing something good...using our people to attack us...burning our natural resources, our food stocks, meat and vegetables burned..our wood supply..our forests...
SIERRA CLUB pretending to protect us, while suing the Army core of engineers stopping them in court...from fixing the Levees in New Orleans...year after year when they try to repair or widen it...and BRAGGING IN THEIR FIRST MEETING AFTER KATRINA HAPPENED...AS TO THEIR SUCCESS...
27.
Why do the older and younger men that stand behind Hillory during her Campaign stand and dote on her with eyes fastened to her..bobbing their heads...up and down as she constantly bobs hers ..in the Subconscious subliminal technique to AGREE WITH HER...always in the back of her...so people are thinking that ALL agree with her...and then they will vote for her.???
Why? Because they will be ALLOWED TO LIVE...all the rest are listed to be eliminated...
72% percent of the U.S. Population is of a specific genetic bloodline that is on the list for elimination.

You are so curious as to why the people in Govt acts the way they do...they are the infiltrators, the Invaders...the Front Groups...the Foot soldiers, the spys....the creators of Chaos, confusion, and fear...breaking down our rules, our control...as you do when you attack a country.

Posted by: dayze at May 7, 2008 12:50 PM

nice to meet you

Posted by: wowpowerleveling at April 15, 2008 12:23 AM

Personally, the people involved should be arrested and tried for treason, the company seized and sold to someone more honest. Of course if we go back to the Clinton administration, old slick willie and company changed export technology controls from the state department to the commerce department, you know the department headed by the late Ron Brown. The fellow who died in that plane wreck. Anyway, Clinton's military advisors told him not to sell China new supercomputers, not to sell them improved missles, that we were assured they would only be used for commercial purposes. Now they have MIRV capable missles that can hit a piece of plywood from the other side of the world, before that they were lucky if it got off the launch platform. You see none of this surprises me, we always give our future adversaries our good military hardware, i.e. (rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam, while we were selling him some of our most lethal bio agents or the Reagan Administration forcing Standard oil to issue credit to the Soviet Navy so they could fuel up their warships over seas so they could maintain the illusion they had a formidable force)
We always seem to pay the price in the form of higher taxes and higher casualties when we our own weapons are used on us. i.e. - Germany's US deisgned and built Freighters converted over to frigates or the Japanese dive bombers that were designed by our own engineers. We had better wake up to this foolishness, because the war of the future wont last years, but hours or days and if we get hit first, we may not be able to strike back in the future.

Posted by: jason littlejohn at October 22, 2005 09:33 PM

SO, WHAT ELSE IS NEW!!

Posted by: BOB at October 17, 2005 05:04 PM

Having been in the FBM submarine Navy since near its inception, I am all to familiar with Interstate Electronics Corp. (IEC). They have always been the prime contractor for the instrumentation systems onboard all FBM boats. Although I've been out of the loop since the mid nineties, IEC has always had a good reputation with the navy.

Posted by: Notso at October 17, 2005 02:46 PM

I think the mechanism here is known as BUTT (Bucks Under The Table), as others have observed. Too bad, because the most rugged and reliable test instrument I still own and use (an F-34 Function Generator) was made by that same Anaheim company Interstate Electronics (not 'Electric') back in their better days. I also used their telemetry data recorders on submarines, and nothing matched their design. What a difference time and people make in once-great companies! (IEC is not alone in that respect.)

Posted by: Ron at October 16, 2005 04:09 PM

As a USAF programmer who has previously worked in one of the AF testing agencies, it boils down to lack of oversight. The F-22 gets extensively tested due to the overall program cost, while something like relocating a radar system gets extensively tested due to it's missile-warning role, even though it doesn't cost as much... If this company has the contract to test the missile ranges, they'll have to meet certain technical criteria, then they'll have to meet stringent interim milestones. And if they or one of their subsidiaries has undergone an investigation, then the operational test agency, or OTA, should already have their guard up. The comments above are true enough, it boils down to money, or at least the company has to underbid anyone else, unless it's a sole-source buy, but it's the OTA's job in the end to make sure the equipment works...
Hopefully it was the actions of the OTA on the previous contract that resulted in the legal action, and not the use of the items in the field

Posted by: John at October 15, 2005 05:09 PM

I could write an in-depth personal opinion on this subject but why waste the readers time. All it boils down to is "MONEY." Doesn't take a fool to not see through all the lies, etc. The old saying is applicable "Money talks."

Posted by: Bill at October 15, 2005 03:58 PM

Is a company de facto corrupt because of a previous indiscretion? What if they fired the people that oversaw this particular contract? You are making the assumption that because some equipment was faulty and MAY have been covered up, that every time this particular subsidiary receives a contract, it will be carried out in the same manner. Even the particular article you link to shows that this subsidiary has provided parts to submarine missile programs for 50 years. Maybe they screwed this one up, and people should be fired, but forgive me if I do not express the same level of outrage.

Posted by: MM at October 14, 2005 08:42 AM

Hello all,
As an employee of L-3 GSI, I would like more info on this CSEL investigation, so as to not sway one way or the other. As for subsidary companies under L-3, there are lots of them. I don't think L-3 as a whole should be brought into the matter. Comparing these two contracts is like comparing apples and oranges... More than likely, these two contracts will have been done by completely different people, who know nothing about each other, even though they both work for this company. I agree that the personnel responsible for screwing the pooch during the CSEL contract should have been dealt with, but saying that the contractors who will be supporting this new contract are going to bomb is absurd. I don't critisize someone whose cousin commits a crime, just because they have the same last name. Anyone who has UNOPINIONATED info on the investigation, feel free to give it to me.

Steven

Posted by: Steven at October 14, 2005 07:33 AM

Good Morning Political Realist,

I think we are dicussing here two different level of buying. The purchasing that I was refering to are the none contractual items such as office supplies to electronic parts that are off the shelf. Interstate Electricis in the same catagory as Staples, Lowes, Home Depot, Radio Shack etc.

Long ago in the '80's the DoD learned it was far cheaper to buy office supplies and off the shelf items for U.S. based activities at the corner store then to use GSA bulk purchase contracts and then have to warehouse and distribute the items through out the syatem.

In the '90's the Fed. Government discovered Credit/Debit Cards and although there are frequant stories regarding abuse of the cards by employees it's still very cost efficient to use credit/debit cards for routine small purchases.

What you are refering to and I believe that I'm 100% with you on your concerns, are contractual purchases. This is where the big bucks are and where you'l will find Retired Admirals, Generals, Upper level retired Bureacrats and Politicians currently serving and retired.

The thing that always amazes me is how lttle the people sell out for. A few thousand$ on a multi million/billion$ project, it's very disappointing sometime that we elect politicians with such small expecations.

Graft and corruption is rampit in contracts and Congressman Duke Cummingham is a poster boy for what the probles are about. I have seen estimates from groups like common cause that put the seepage due to kick backs and corruption in the 10-25% range in value of contracts. Surprisengly, maybe not I guess, the Dept. of Defense compaired to Dept's. of Transportation, Commerence and the FCC are moldels of honesty.

How to prevent this or at least make it less attractive?

For the Politicians, no way greed has been institutionized with in the political process and they are the only ones who can change things, fat chance.

For the uniformed military, both Officer and Enlisted, I think better pay and more a generious retirement that is more in line with competive positions in the private sector would go along way is at least making people think before they do somethin dishonest or outright illegal.

As a former employer I came to the conviction that employees will make you pay if you don't have competive wages and benefits, in theft, sabatoge to equipment or in the legal system. I found that if you don't put it in the check you will pay a lot more. The military I'm sure is no different.

I know these suggestions go against the grain for many so if you want a discussion have at me, I'm game.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at October 13, 2005 01:35 PM

& we wonder why our Security is so lapse?
No wonder we had 9-11.
Faulty Corp, faulty Mgmt.
Thats why I wont own a Vette or Viper due to Bad Plant production mode vs Infiniti G35 coupe in QUALITY CONTROL.
Why honor Bad companies or Bad Mgmt in Companies.
Thats a Threat to Security alone.
Alas, NG builds our Subs for the US Sub Forces alone & Boeing the B1 bomber.

Posted by: stephen russell at October 13, 2005 10:17 AM

Why does this occur? Come on, you know. No one is really THAT naive.

Where do generals/admirals go after they leave the service? hmmm...something called the "private sector" right? Do you suppose the "private sector" is going to give the above generals and admirals stock options and a cushy corner office if they cause "problems" for these same companies while on active duty? It's just taxpayer money, after all.

Folks like Randy "Duke" Cunningham, the California Republican who is the soon-to-be departed chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee also help. For instance, "Duke" sold his house to the owner of a defense contractor with business before his committee for about $700,000 above fair market value. Amazing, no?

Posted by: Political Realist at October 12, 2005 11:16 PM

Good MOrning Guys/Gals,

The problem here seems to be what is called an approved vendor lists. In short a company that goes through the efforts to contact local and nationwide facilities purchasing agents and are willing to go through the paperwork hurdals is put on a list of pre-approved vendors.

By using these preapproved vendors a facility can do walk up purchases (Credit Cards, a typical limit on a card is $250,000.00 purchase) for "Small Purchases" or the company has a BPA (Blanket Purchasing Agreement) with the DoD with a preset monthly limit, if the issueing facility goes over that limit as they often do an extension is issues for that month.

Once on the pre-approved list it is hard to be expelled. About the only way I know of is a fraud conviction or for a facility just to stop buying. I have personaly seen BPA's sent to a company that had been out of business for two years.

The company mentioned "Interstate Electric Corp." is not an OEM (that I know of) but a distributor of products manufactured by others.

As long as "Interstate Electric Corp." satisified any MILSPECS with the provided parts they are clean, the Government must make a warrenty claim against the manufacturer.

The problem seems to be with the end user who didn't check out the equipment before deploying it. Even we as consumers know that "off the helf" manufactured items can have problems.

Unless the Government can show an unauthorized substitution of product or a deliberate attempt to defraud the Federal Government which would be a clear violation of U.S.Code "Interstate Electric Corp." doesn't have any problem.

If you say the system sucks, I agree. The only problem is what is a better system?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at October 12, 2005 01:17 PM

there is no 'real' concept of a reputation system (and no real impact or effect if you screw somethign up) mainly a fine and 'time-out'. Transparency doesn't exist. What is needed is a rated reputation system that impacts if you are awarded a contract otherwise it's just business as usual and the soldier (and tax payer gets screwed).

Posted by: johnj at October 12, 2005 12:23 PM