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More Kidding Around

It ain't easy being an admiral ... especially when you're overseeing the most controversial naval deal in years.

Rear Adm. Mark Milliken is director of the U.S. Navy's International Programs Office. When the Navy donates or sells retired ships to allied navies, Milliken's the guy who manages the transaction. This means handling some diplomatic hot potatoes -- none hotter than the ongoing transfer of Kidd-class detroyers to the Taiwanese navy.

Two of the four Kidds sailed for Taiwan in October. The other pair is getting a facelift at Detyens shipyard in Charleston, S.C, before its 2007 handover. The Kidds will replace Taiwan's 60-year-old Gearing-class destroyers. Combined with recent procurement of Perry- and Knox-class frigates and French-built Lafayette frigates, the $415-million Kidd deal significantly improves Taiwan's ability to oppose a Chinese amphibious assault on the island.

Which is why many Chinese -- including (full disclosure here) my girlfriend -- oppose the transfer.

That much we all know. But getting Adm. Milliken to say it was next to impossible. In a recent interview, Milliken touted the Kidds' commonality with U.S. systems and their utility in the War on Terror(?). But even when I directly asked, he refused to even acknowledge that the Kidds might one day fight for control of the Taiwan Strait.

Milliken isn't the only one treading lightly when it comes to the Kidds. This weekend, I called on Detyens to photograph the Kidds under renovation. At first, shipyard officials were happy to host me. Then someone from higher phoned down to have me kindly turned away.

Small Kidd.jpgOne manager told me that even the official launch ceremony for the first pair of destroyers was a deliberately low-key affair, with Taiwanese naval officers attending in civilian clothes. Desperate for material, I had to make do shooting pictures through Detyens' chain-link fence.

The way Milliken describes them, ship transfers are a key facet of U.S. diplomacy. More than hardware changes hands. As part of the Kidd deal, as many as 1,200 Taiwanese sailors and officers all will have spent more than two years in Charleston learning English, training on the destroyers and adopting American ways of doing things. For friendly navies, accepting old American warships and other technology means becoming a virtual adjunct of the U.S. Navy. In this way, American naval power is far greater than our 280 hulls imply.

Consider that just two classes of American warships provide the operational backbones of six important allied navies. Perry-class frigates equip the Taiwanese, Spanish, Polish and Australian navies. Arleigh Burke-class destroyers are the basis for the most capable ships in the Japanese, Korean and (soon) Australian navies. And Spain's F100 frigates are built around the Burke's combat systems. So close are our naval ties to Spain that Alvaro de Bazan (F101) joined the USS Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group for its May 2005 deployment.

Look for ship-transfer diplomacy to become only more important in coming years as Milliken and his successors dispose of the many young hulls being retired by the shrinking U.S. Navy.

-- David Axe

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The Inflation Tax

Deficit spending is a euphemism for an inflation rate higher than a Latin American dictatorship. It is not true that inflation hits everyone equally. Intangible assets such as cash, stocks and bonds are all devalued equally. However, tangible assets such as precious metals and real estate rise in cash value by an amount equal to the rate of inflation. Not only are tax controls and the control of the overpricing of products (such as the notorious price gouging on software products by companies such as Microsoft) long overdue; but an honest inflation plan is needed. Politicians act as if inflation is something that just happens without any cause. Inflation is caused by a variety of fiscal policies such as deficit spending and allowing companies to raise prices without limit. The rate of inflation can be fixed at any desired level with proper economic controls.

A negative inflation rate means that the supply of cash and negotiable securities is being reduced. This is as insane and as damaging as a national policy of runaway inflation. A mentally sane policy is considered to be an actual inflation rate in the range of 4.8 to 5.2 percent per year.

The current situation is one of no controls at all:
see fedplan1.jpg

Posted by: Harry Arms at September 22, 2006 04:14 PM


today my thought is on saddan hussian. He knows where osama bin laden is. my advice would be keep him alive no death penalty. His also our link to al quaida.It the 25 million still hold on the wild card osama bin?"StewartPlatoon" Byron Skinner

Posted by: dan at November 28, 2005 02:24 PM


Good Mornig Dan,

I think you make a timely osbervation about China and Taiwan. If there were genuine hostalities between the two "countries" the ecomonic intercourse that has take place in the past twenty years would have not happened. Both countries have and still are courting each other.

In the '50's the Nationalists Chinese formed strong political, military and commerical bonds with in the United States. The none reconciliation policies of that era are still around somethings seem like a hangover. It's time to move on before an event takes place that neither side wants to happen.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at November 14, 2005 01:58 PM


I'm American, but I've worked in both China and Taiwan in the last five years doing M&A consulting.

China's "evil" communist government is a scapegoat for neoconservatives here in the US. Nobody wants to see a war over Taiwan, not the US, China or Taipei, but if we keep sending more military hardware to the Straits it's only going to make the situation worse.

China will NEVER attack Taiwan UNLESS they think they're going to make a formal declaration of independence, and the only thing that will make THAT likely is if we keep blindly saying we'll support them no matter how stubborn and dangerous their behaviour is.

Posted by: DanThomson at November 13, 2005 05:52 PM


Byron,
It's interesting that you should bring the Iranian F-14s up, as I was just reading about them. Here's the deal: the US ended (overt) support for the IRAF Tomcats before 1980, several were documented as participating in the Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1997 at a few were flyable.
World Air Power Journal of Fall '97 had photos of one showing on display at the IRAF "airshow". Apparently, keeping them flying (no doubt through stripping the fleet for spares and some local manufacturing) was/is a point of pride.
The good news is that their AIM-54 capability seems to be long gone.
Note that when I say they took part in the war, they didn't do very well. Iran admits at least a few being shot down, and more reliable reports have them being used mostly for AWACS, given their excellent (at the time) radars.
Cheers

Posted by: TrustButVerify at November 11, 2005 07:47 PM


Good Evening David,

Here is a some what chilling though regarding those F-14's in Iran. My understanding is that they have been mostly grounded since 1979 for lack of support and spare parts.

With "Desk Top" fabrication now a reality and remembering that Iran already has a weapons industry and is despertly trying to get into Aero Space manufacturing by making licenced SU-27's, those M-14's could become something worth keeping an eye on from above.

I don't think it's possable for these old but still capable war birds, when made flyable again could go on the international arms market and be the nucleus of an al Qaeda Air Force that would lease basing rights from Iran. Naw that the stuff of B Grade movies, would never happen.

Just more strange thoughs from the old guy, time to take my meds. it can't happen, right?

Say it ain't so David.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at November 10, 2005 10:55 PM


"Great, 1200 more Taiwanese kids who will end up at the bottom of the ocean in a few years."

Helping Taiwan be able to defend herself againt a commmunist junta that has an atrocious human-rights record (forced abortions, jail-time for practicing a religion, censoring/controlling the news and internet, ....) and gives no reason to think that it is going to change is the right thing to do. Do you want to see a Tianemen square in Taipei? I wonder if you would feel different in you lived in free China? (For all I know you do live there.)

Posted by: rutty at November 10, 2005 10:08 PM


Good point I didn't realize that the countries would send personel to train with us. I always figured we went there. Good article.

As for tension I don't think we can heighten it by providing these warships. It's allready high and has been for years. This can be seen as a response to Chinese threats of invasion. They have recently took steps to make a invasion of Tawain easier so it's only logical that the Tawaniese would counter that.

Posted by: Joseph at November 10, 2005 08:57 PM


Well-I think those Taiwanese "kids" probably have a better chance on the Kidd class than the Gearing class.

Or are you suggesting that we give them something more advanced?

I don't understand.

Posted by: max at November 10, 2005 08:21 PM


Great, 1200 more Taiwanese kids who will end up at the bottom of the ocean in a few years. Plus who knows how many Chinese kids that will be taken down with them.

It's nice to see America not doing anything stupid that might increase tensions or put more people in harm's way when the Taiwan Strait hits the fan.

Posted by: DanThomson at November 10, 2005 05:16 PM


Byron,

Actually, the Kidds that Iran ordered were never delivered ... so the U.S. Navy accepted them in 1982-3 before retiring them in 1998.

As for the F-14s, Iran did get those, 79 of them, and in a few months, the two dozen or so survivors will be the only F-14s operational in the world. Go figure.

Posted by: David Axe at November 10, 2005 04:01 PM


Good Morning David,

You stated the problem well. These platforms are upping the antie with China and other countries that are trying to break into the military shipbuilbing business and build a "Blue Water Fleet".

Didn't Iran have four "Kidds" and then new F-14's on order in 1979 whe the Shaw was booted out and the Islamic Republic formed?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner
"Stewart's Platoon"

Posted by: Byron Skinner at November 10, 2005 02:46 PM


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