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Pentagon Skimps on IED Defense?

truck_flames2.jpgIt certainly sounds big league: tens of millions of dollars and the promise of a modern-day "Manhattan Project" to figure out how to stop improvised bombs. And the need couldn't be greater, of course; just on Saturday, another six soldiers and marines were killed in Iraq by jury-rigged explosives.

But is the Pentagon really doing all it can to stop the weapons responsible for more than half of the war's 17,000 American casualties? It sure doesn't seem that way. Consider this story, from Defense Technology International.

The 1940s Manhattan Project is estimated to have cost $20 billion. In Fiscal 2006, the Navy plans to spend just $15 million within ONR [Office of Naval Research] on its new drive, with another $15 million to be spread among the Navy's five affiliated research centers: Pennsylvania State University, Baltimore-based Johns Hopkins University, and the universities of Texas, Washington and Hawaii. [The Navy recently became the quarterback for counter-bomb research -- ed.] Another $15 million may be allocated to other universities outside the affiliate network.

Keep in mind, the Pentagon's fringe-science arm is planning to spend $38 million next year on giant blimp research, and $200 million on "cognitive" computers. So $45 million isn't all that much, in Pentagon terms.

"When admirals start talking about 'Manhattan Projects,' do you know how much money was spent on that?" John Anderson, a chemical engineer and provost of Ohio's Case Western Reserve University, asks. "You can't have a Manhattan-Project result with a tin-cup donation... If you're going to influence the academic research environment, you have to provide some resources and a compelling reason for doing it."

trigger.jpgOf course, it'd be easier to ponying up the big bucks if there was some technological "silver bullet," some magic solution, that could instantly neuter improvised explosive devices -- or least make them easier to find. There ain't. Which is why the Pentagon is shifting its counter-bomb research "away from short-term solutions toward more basic research," the magazine notes.

After several open calls to industry and hundreds of proposals, the task force already has picked most of the "low-hanging fruit," according to the group's acting technology director...

Proposals are becoming repetitive, he says, particularly in the fields of ballistic protection and IED signal jamming, areas where the task force has placed the most emphasis so far.

But, even with these proven technologies, it's hard not to get the feeling that bomb-stopping isn't anywhere close to the top of the Pentagon priority list. Yes, an extra $250 million was sent over to the Joint IED Defeat Task Force in October, to buy more jammers. I assume that's on top of the agency's $1.2 billion per year budget. But even with all that extra cash, only a slim minority of American troops on the ground -- less than 15%, I'd estimate -- will get the jammers, which are one of the few proven methods for actually keeping the bombs from going off.

And remember: getting these jammers to frontline troops helps in the war after Iraq, too. If IEDs continue to be this effective, you can bet, for the next decade or two, guerilla groups will start jury-rigging some bombs as soon as U.S. land.

Meanwhile, there's talk at the Pentagon of trying to pare back its new destroyer program, aimed at fighting the Chinese one day. The hope is to maybe bring the costs down to a mere $2 billion per ship. Research and development funding for the Missile Defense Agency remains strong, however, at an annual clip of $8.8 billion. Should we therefore assume that the Pentagon thinks a possible ICBM attack is eight times more important than the roadside bombs that are killing our troops today?

Comments

Good Morning Noah,

Although the dicussion here has been lively and interesting it's quickly becoming a moot issue.

Quantification of casualities during the past three months in Iraq and Afghanistan strongly indicate that the "bad guys" are changing tactics. Injuries and deaths from IED's is decreasing while casualities for small arms fire is increasing to the point that it is now the perdominate cause of combat injuries in both war zones. Even non-combat injuries and deaths now seem to be exceeding those form IED's.

The IED's are now almost exclusively used against U.S. Military targets, not Iraqi civilian commerence. Maybe a little Mafia type payoff here by the Iraqi's?

Although all American KIA's and wounded are deplorable I think that more resources should be moved toward combatting the "Improved Marksmanship" that the insergents are showing.

There is speculation that foreign "snipers" as few as one to as many as a dozen or so have been hired by the insergents to take out Americans. The source of these "Foreign Fighters" seems to be Chechnia (Sp?). This made the CBS Night News last evening although it's been being dicussued on the web for awhile now.

It appears that the "insergents" have found ways to keep up with or inoviate gadgets and toys that the American Military Industrial Complex can come up with with about a four to six week time laspe.

Maybe we have come to the point where we should stop trying to out gadget the enemy and start fighting him. It seems that the "limited" offsenive operations by the American forces have been the most effective at disrupting the bad guys.

It appears that the bad guys seem to almost always know when and where the Americans are. Example an "H&I" Mortar attack Monday at a base turn over cermony. Perhaps security might be just a little lax.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at November 24, 2005 03:20 PM


There is not enough information in the article for anyone to speculate about anything. I spent a year in Iraq, and I see the same gripping for the "silver bullet" that will cure all IED problems. Does everyone have a “gun abolition” mentality? No, I am not trying to introduce my own agenda. I think gun control and IEDs are complex issues. No single solution exists.

There were many situations where my team could not employ our ICE box (IED Countermeasures Equipment), and many times where adjacent Coalition Forces could not employ Warlock, because of some other justifiable concern on the battlefield. Both of these are RF jammers, but not all IEDs are RF command detonated. In fact, during any given period, the ratio of RF versus non-RF command detonation vacillates from one end of the spectrum to the other.

The IED Task force is comprised of professionals, some of the best in the business. Their CV’s would impress many. However, they can’t be everywhere at once. I personally discount some of the “eye witness” testimonies of some IEDs incidents. Education and the ability to instill confidence in soldiers and marines are a big part of the solution here. I believe better empirical evidence/data and more detailed analysis of current IEDs is warranted, and that information be widely disseminated. Not just the raw product, but competent analysis, to include trends and employment of IEDs.

We often fear what we don’t completely understand. IEDs must be attacked on many fronts. We must step away from being defensive, and take on the offense. A re-active offense as well as a pro-active one.

Those reading and commenting here need to truly understand the threat. You will never truly understand any threat when all you know is single-sourced. IR triggered devices are not what you assumed them to be, based on the comments here. Go back to your armchairs, research, and come up with some viable comments, rather than rhetoric.

Posted by: G.I. at November 23, 2005 12:42 PM


Cluetrain, I too have been reading this web page for almost a year. The only thing that bothers me is the little comments here and there that can appear to be "ignorant" or maybe a little over "opinionated". The overall theme on just about everything is pretty good thoe. Dont take any of these comments personaly, there just constructive criticism. :)
BTW, this is a very good site.

Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2005 04:41 PM


The article says that the US government should spend more on protecting its soldiers from improvised bombs. How exactly is that a "left-wing" position?

If you're worried that the author is "using facts for [his] opinion", then by all means refute his analysis. But use some facts of your own, kids.

Posted by: Ben at November 22, 2005 02:37 PM


I have been visiting this site for about a year and a half and I have to agree that many articles are beginning to be slanted more towards using facts for the author's opinion rather than facts for us to decide.

The government, adminstration and others do need a lot of work... but they're not trying to do harm to their own.

Posted by: Suns at November 22, 2005 01:49 PM


ClueTrain

no, I swing by this site virtually everyday, and have done so for over a year now.

Are you telling me that this article had no biased to the "left" or "right"? If you think this article was completely unbiased then I think its you who neeeds to read a little deeper.

The fact is, day in and day out this site critizes the war in Iraq and president Bush, as well as the cost over-runs in a lot of programs.

All i'm saying is the best news, is unbiased news.

Posted by: Ares at November 22, 2005 01:27 PM


To follow up on what Pedestrian just said: one of the reasons IEDs are a problem is Iraq because their component parts are so plentiful. Garage-door openers, kids' toys, walkie-talkies -- anything working with the RF spectrum has been used as an IED trigger.

In comparison, there aren't a whole lot of commercially-available devices transmitting in the infrared bands. So stopping radio frequencies does more than stop one variety of IED. It stops the vast majority.


nms

Posted by: Noah Shachtman at November 22, 2005 10:16 AM


>I hear jammers don't work so well on pressure
>detonated devices or ones with IR triggers.

One method disabled means alot. Radio frequency is convenient for use at long distance, but when that is disabled, the user is forced to use other less effective systems. Pressure detonated IEDs are passive and the user lacks control, while IR would only be useful at a limited distance. If some one here thinks that jammers have no meaning while counter measures are used, that person is an idiot for not recognizing disabling such methods, leaving only other less effective methods.

Posted by: Pedestrian at November 22, 2005 10:08 AM


I suspect that the IED problem isn't likely to be easily amenable to techno-fixes. You can jam cellphones but that doesn't do much for wind-up devices and other lower tech solutions. It's probably also not a good idea to rely on our adversaries being idiots.

I believe it was Eisenhower who once said that if the problem is difficult to solve perhaps making it larger would help. We're doing this by going after the bomb builders and their suppliers and helping Iraq's military and police get up on their feet.

Sewing some seed money on a 'you never know' basis doesn't seem such a bad idea, since, 'you never know'...

Posted by: JSAllison at November 22, 2005 09:52 AM


Big D:

*Of course* the "Manhattan Project" reference is meant as a metaphor. But metaphors have power. For instance, if I compare a building to the Sears Tower, I expect the thing to be gigantic, many tens of stories tall. It'd be pretty disappointing if the building turned out to be a three-story tenement instead.

That’s what is happening here. There are lots and lots of research programs going on throughout the Defense Department. Few, if any, others, have been described to me as "Manhattan Projects." That's just not a generic term that's thrown around.

Now, to your (and C-Low's) point that IEDs are so improvised, that no one device is going to stop them. I agree that there will always be a kind of arms race between bomb and bomb-stopping technology. But there are several things that will remain constant. One is the need to spot bombs from afar. Another is the need to detonate these bombs from a safe distance, once they are found. Neither of these problems is trivial. They probably are, in fact, "Manhattan Projects" that need to be tackled.

Finally, you noted that conventional armies like China probably wouldn't use IEDs -- and therefore, the bombs shouldn't be much of a concern. To that, all I can say is, if you're worried more about China than you are about global Jihadism, I believe you are badly mistaken.

Best,

nms

Posted by: Noah Shachtman at November 22, 2005 08:25 AM


To Trojan, Ares and Mike.

Obviously this is your first time to this site eh? DefenseTech are comparing the economic costs of two weapons systems.

One that is real and effects tactical and operational land warfare and the other which is at the present time is a non-existent, big business pipe dream. Please refrain from commenting if you lack a clue.

Posted by: ClueTrain at November 22, 2005 05:34 AM


A relative of mine is working on FCS for Boeing... it sounds like a cluster*#($. And he used to work for Air Force Studies and Analysis, so I know from cluster*()*-at-work stories.

Moreover, it's pretty darn pointless. We already can win pretty much any 'classic' stand-up conventional military battle. How many casualties were there in the first month of the war, versus the other twenty-four-odd?

We need competent counterinsurgeny teams (insurgent is kind of a misnomer; many of them were fighting us before there was an Iraqi government to insurge against.)

Posted by: Rev. Doc at November 22, 2005 12:58 AM


I dont mean to pile on but the I in IED stands for improvised meaning no two are really alike and they are always changing so 20billion would only fix todays IED while tomorrows would be in need of another 20bill like Trojan mentioned on some of tommorows. Also some of those jammers and stuff have side effects and mess with other equipment like our UAV's small ones that are crutial to our effort its a balance. Besides I dont think the next time we invade a country planning occupation we will just leave all of those ammo dumps to be looted we will either guard or destroy and move on. Iraq is overflowin with bomb material it was a learning expeirence thats why combat expeirence is priceless for future and present campains.

Personally I would lean more towards armor and heavy equipment. Now I fully believe in the Future Combat System just more of a door kicking force then let the Heavy stuff rolls in to crush hold and crush. I think we could go with light weight equipment setup to take add on armour turning light to heavy. In light they could be sent in fast then once thier follow up could heavy them up to for the long slog. But I am holding my judgement on FCS until I see what the FCS end product looks like then make a determination.

Posted by: C-Low at November 21, 2005 09:38 PM


Look, calling for a "Manhattan Project" for such a broad threat--and meaning it literally, not as "we need to get creative and come up with something"--just doesn't make much sense.

There are so many different types of IEDs, so many different triggering mechanisms, that one solution isn't going to do everything. In addition, I doubt that we're going to face many conventional enemies (like China) that are going to present a large IED threat. While we're fighting this campaign, the rest of the world goes on.

Ultimately, the best way to stop IEDs? To use Iraqi troops, police, and civilians to help us acquire intel and prosecute terrorists and insurgents before they can deploy IEDs in the first place. Until then? If anybody can come up with ideas that sound promising, they should be funded... pretty much period.

Posted by: Big D at November 21, 2005 09:13 PM


Combative competitive joint strike insignificance is not the way to openly declare to go up against the Chinese when you have got thousands of Extra Terrestrials that we are so called working with. That just goes to show that This administration and this joint Chiefs are not searching for peace worthy to find; by that I mean use the Star Elders to fight our wouldn't be hardly any wise of a battle except for the sides of the enzyme sepulcher mutation Peter Schoomaker John Jumper French fries too by that I'll side DESBIC AGENDA under bitter moonshine tidewaters scums Over

Posted by: Sharkfaces at November 21, 2005 08:54 PM


About the destroyers... I would think our present destroyers are well suited for taking out modern enemy ships. That along with our airpower and submarines would seem to be an extremely tough obsticle. Maybe someone with more knowledge on navy warfair could inform us better. There is defiantly nothing wrong with keeping our navy the most elite.

Posted by: Mike at November 21, 2005 07:12 PM


To Author: Yes, these post are becoming more and more "leftist".
Please study and use common sinse before articles are posted. Its started to get anoying.

Posted by: Mike at November 21, 2005 06:58 PM


To author: Please tone down you "left"ism...and yes...I did just make up that word.
(but you know what I mean)

its a daily bases on this site that you sonstantly bash the US Gov for spending so much money on such n such, then you turn around and say spend more money on this...MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

and of course an ICBM attack is much less likely then a terrorist road side bomb, but it needs a bigger budget because its more important...which would you choose...having a humvee get blown up.....or a city.

Posted by: Ares at November 21, 2005 04:52 PM


This writer goes from IED's to destroyers in an instant!

Make a point about one subject please. Are you saying only a small hahdfull of troops benefit from $250,000,000 in jammers? I hear jammers don't work so well on pressure detonated devices or ones with IR triggers.

So what's your point anyways??

Posted by: Trojan at November 21, 2005 04:08 PM


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