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Insurgents Using Chem Weapons - On Themselves?

This has to be the most bizarre twist in the WMD saga yet. Insurgents in Iraq could very well have chemical weapons. And they may be using them - on themselves.

insurgents_tweety.jpgThe story starts over a year ago with a Marine blogger in Iraq. On June 2nd 2004 "The Green Side" - we’ll get back to the signficance of this source later - describes suicidal attacks by insurgents in Fallujah: “We could not understand why they kept coming but they did.” The reason, it turned out, was drugs: “…these ‘holy warriors’ are taking drugs to get high before attacks. It true, as we pushed into the town in April many Marines came across drug paraphernalia (mostly heroin). Recently, we have gotten evidence of them using another drug BZ that makes them high and very aggressive.”

BZ is not your typical substance of abuse. It’s a hallucinogenic chemical weapon. This weird concept originated in the 1950’s when “better living through chemistry” was a slogan to live by and warfare without blood was the goal. As the Washington Star noted in 1965:

New chemical weapons that win by creating confusion rather than death and destruction have proved so successful that they have been quietly added to the Army's arsenal. The latest and best, a gas called BZ by the Army, put a number of soldier guinea pigs out of action during field tests at a Utah Army base last November, and did it without harming a man.”

BZ or "Agent Buzz" is the military name for 3-quinuclidinyl benzillate, an extremely powerful hallucinogen. After experimenting with a whole stash of mind-altering substances including cocaine, heroin and LSD, the Pentagon selected BZ for weaponizing. Its major advantages are that it can easily delivered in an aerosol cloud, and it is very safe. With many substances, the effective dose can be dangerously close to the amount needed to kill - ask any anesthetist. With BZ, the tiny effective dose (maybe two milligrams) is around one-thousandth the lethal dose. It is also odorless and invisible, and there is currently no means of detecting it.

3-quinuclidinyl_benzilate.pngAgent Buzz was tested between 1959 to 1975 on some twenty-eight hundred US soldiers at several locations. It proved extremely effective as an incapacitant. The physical effects are increased heart rates, pupil dilation, blurred vision, dry skin and mouth, increased temperature, and flushing of skin – as a med school mnemonic has it “blind as a bat, dry as a bone, hot as Hades, red as a beet.”

But the psychological effects are more important than the physical ones, as the subject is also rendered “mad as a hatter.”

It also produces uncontrollable aggression, Wouter Basson, the man behind South Africa’s chemical and biological warfare program, notes. His version of BZ, in fact, was modified with CB (Carboxy-Methoxy-Benzoxytropane) specifically to reduce this effect.

The Serb army manual on their BZ munitions implies a violent reaction: “it can be expected that such individuals or groups will subsequently, under the effects of [this chemical agent], inflict great damage and losses on their own forces.”

Over a hundred thousand pounds of BZ were produced by the US. However, it fell out of favor because its effects were considered to be too unpredictable. Destruction of the BZ stockpile commenced in 1988 and was reportedly completed in Pine Bluff in 1990.

Could any be in Iraq? In 1995, the British reported that Iraq had produced Agent 15, similar or identical to BZ, and possessed ‘large stocks’ of it. A later CIA report discounts this and concludes that "Iraq never went beyond research with Agent 15—a hallucinogenic chemical similar to BZ—or any other psychochemical.” The British do not agree and as of the last updated in 2004, the MoD maintains its claim. This would appear to be the most likely source of any insurgent supplies.

Lt.Col.Bellon in Fallujah.jpgI did not initially take the report from The Green Side too seriously. Posted in the form of letters home from a Marine to his Dad, it looked like just keeping in touch with the folks at home and recording a piece of personal history, not an intel report. But the blog turns out to be the work of Lt Col Dave Bellon (right), not just another Marine but intelligence officer for the First Regimental Combat Team. The blog can no longer be easily accessed as it has now disappeared behind a USMC security screen.

Given Lt Col Bellon’s access to inside information, his rather specific claim about BZ becomes more serious. Other US sources do not mention BZ by name but do describe drug use by insurgents.

The account of the November 2004's "Fall of Fallujah" by Bing West in the Marine Corps Gazette mentions “crazies” rushing out in suicidal attacks as well as others “sustained by drugs.”

Elsewhere, Dan Senor, a Senior Advisor from the CPA stated: “Our delegation has been told by Fallujan leaders that many of the individuals involved with the violence are on some - are on various drugs. It is part of what they're using to keep them up to engage in this violence at all hours

Other drugs were clearly involved as well, and Lt Col Bellon’s information about BZ may simply be wrong. But it’s quite possible than coalition troops are facing a number of aggressive, paranoid insurgents, unable to tell friend from foe and unable to realize that there was anything wrong with them, beyond control and hallucinating their worst fears.

Could the guerillas be taking BZ -- sometimes called “the ultimate bad trip” – willingly? This seems unlikely: blurred vision, paranoia and hallucinations are not assets in a firefight. But the British Navy traditionally issued a half-pint ration of rum before action and there were always plenty of takers. In Iraq, cynical leaders might dole out BZ to unwitting cannon-fodder. A homicidally aggressive fighter, even an impaired one, is more useful than one who won’t fight against insane odds. This may remind some people of the fabled assassin cult, but don’t believe everything you read in Dan Brown.

Back during the first Gulf War, some in the tinfoil-hat crowd tried to argue that the US used BZ on Iraqis. Wouter Basson even claims to have found traces of BZ in the urine of supposed victims. As with the other alleged BZ attacks mentioned above there is no independent confirmation of this. And reading the incredible story of Basson’s involvement in the whole area of chemical and biological weapons – mind-boggling only begins to describe it – you can assess his credibility yourself. Anyone making such claims will need solid evidence.

But just in case: if anyone offers you any performance-enhancing substances with the words “Dude, this is weapons grade…” – just say no.

(Speaking of Weapons Grade, my publishers would like me to mention my book of the same title which provides an insight into military high-tech from directed-energy weapons to nanotechnology and how it will change both warfare and civilian life.)

-- David Hambling

Comments

Best part? Where Hughes says, "Our key of course is managing expectations, we certainly don't want to get to the point where we're promising more than we can deliver." That would be a nice change of pace from the way missile defense has been handled to date.

Posted by: runescape gold at April 7, 2008 02:20 AM


Sparky322 / Artichoke,

Please write in a coherent manner instead of a rambling, poorly grammatical manner. It is hard for us to understand you. Or perhaps you are on BZ while writing it.

Posted by: WR at April 3, 2008 08:19 AM


I'm a Recon Ranger...that's an elite special forces group in the Marines. I know they injected me with a lot of crap...we were injected more times with so called vaccines and or experimental poisons than 10-20 people would be injected over their entire life span....we were basically dumb kids, not questioning what our trusted govt and faithful Marine Corps was doing to us...now I know better...we were just fucking lab rats. They shot this crap into us using high powered air guns that would inject who knows what into us and leave blood running down your arm after the shot...some of us got so sick we thought we would die....some of us didn't get sick while the rest did...it was strange....now all these years later I'm connecting the dots to the uncontrollable rage and aggression that we were capable of...extreme powerful strength and aggression that didn't make sense sometimes...it was like a flick of a switch and something bad would turn on inside of me that was hard to control and hard to turn off...the strength and speed was unbelievable...easily 10 times the strength, if not more of a normal man... we were unstoppable killing machines, or what some call super soldiers; programmed killing machines. Sometimes we attacked each other, not really remembering much or knowing why it happened, and that was strange...I don't know if they did this to everybody, but I know they did something to us. This is all very hard for me to talk about...usually I just don't talk about it...I lived in the mountains for years after that to stay away from people...stay out of trouble...try not to hurt anybody. I'm a nice guy and don't want to hurt any good people... I thought these super soldiers were just some X-Files fiction on TV...now I know better. Some of the things I've done are horrible...always wondering why or how I could do such things. Now I realize they did something to me...they did something to all of us...we were their experiment...their special little canon fodder killing commandos...expendable of course. I found it rather strange that they didn't want to let me out. The reason was, They had plans for me...but I outsmarted them and found a way to get out anyway. The govt and military and so called non existent but evil black budget projects and corporate military industrial complex and the so called elite family banking cartels that think they run this planet are the ones behind this man made hell...Illuminati...Nazis...Satanist...Demons...
Aliens...whatever you want to call them. They've created the lie, the terrorists and the wars...its just a fun chess match to them as they use the world to their benefit and shit on humanity and make us believe different as they dumb down the worlds population with drugs, TV, Cellphones, EMF, EMP, chem trails, toxins, bad food, vaccines, poisons, etc, you name it...all to keep us under their control. I know they injected me with something and did things to me to make this all possible........the big problem is that they never did anything to shut it off....all these years later, it's still there. Its just a flick of a switch away from turning on, and when it does its very hard to turn off...I have to fight the urge to keep this rage from turning on when something happens that makes me mad...but when it does happen, when the switch is flicked on, I can't be stopped...and whoever gets in my way, god help them...sorry. I wish it weren't true.
So for all of you out there who don't think this drugging and manipulation is possible and don't think this is going on...I've got one thing to say: You better wake up and face reality because now we are all part of their nasty experiments...more than before...911 was a lot of things, to accomplish a lot of things and agendas...the official story is a big lie and YES it was an inside job involving many people from many countries...and an experiment in Fear...and much much more than most American's can wrap their tiny little mind controlled brains around to comprehend the size and complexity of what is really going on. Ignorance is bliss...but the truth will set you free...the truth will eventually set all of us free. And the truth of what John Lennon was talking about and why he was killed (Assassinated). He said: All We Need Is LOVE...so they killed him. The powers that be will do whatever it takes to make sure that there is always an enemy and a war and a terrorist, and fear, but not Love. John Lennon created a mass anti-war movement and was preaching Love to all...not war.

So maybe it's not Drug BZ...but it's something very bad. And if you think 911 was bad, I hate to say it: but we ain't seen nothing yet...unless everybody wakes up to the truth and gets off their fat asses and does something about it, they'll do something again...blame it on Iran...attack Iran and kill millions more over there...declare martial law here in the US, and use things like the Patriot Act and other Acts, making all of us the enemy and the terrorist, etc. and their nefarious Nazi agenda will be in full swing so they can continue there nasty experiments and so much more. PK... www.truthproject.us

Posted by: USMC Recon Ranger at November 16, 2007 01:51 AM


a long long time ago experiments caused people to become injured or dead. hullicenigenics were some type of sport used by michievious characters. dithalidimide lysergic acid number 25 was an experimental drug. drugs can fracture the integrity of people. drugs can be the bait that will make a mouse steal the cheese that sells out your country. imaginatively , the touch of toxins can cause instant death. Bruce Lee died by a single touch. a recent westler went on a rampage suspected of killing himself after killing his own wife and children. Doctor Mac Donald Fort Benning Green Beret maintains to this day some hippies invaded his house and murdered his entire family. nanotech neurotoxins can afflict even unsuspecting people. the chemicals can alter the mood of an army. besides sonic ( frequencies that injure personnel ); nanotech weaponry hallucingens chem sprays make possible for silent and deadly attack. nanotechnology make a bloodless victory possible.

Posted by: artichoke at July 6, 2007 11:53 PM


nanotechnology a billionth small particles but with the tinsel strength of 100 x's nickle steel. weaves that are fire retardant , image invisible , insulating and even bullet bomb proof. nanotech particles in air or dispersed in water... nanoparticles that are hyrophobic ( fear of water ) and hyrophyllic ( attracted to water ).... military applications... Virginia Tech research... nanoparticles ... some known to go past the cellular membrane and damage the DNA of the cell. may or does cause cancer. hydrophyllic nanoparticles known to cause oxygen deprivation starving the brains of wild life. nanotechnology particles in aerosols may be deployed as clandestine WMD ops on targets. imagine The Wizard of Oz ; when Dorthy falls asleep in a field of poppies. a weapon more horrific would be a high intensity beam of ionized rays focused on target. the burn would be 100 x the strength of the sun. Teslas Death Ray. Tesla was from Serbia. Hitler said ; whoever gets to the moon first will control the world. i am thinking he was onto Teslas Death Ray from the heavens designed back in the 1930's. STARWARS was very real. Ronnie Reagan backed STARWARS. Nikita K. was interested in the same ideas. Gary Powers U 2 spy plane pilot from over in Letcher county Kentucky ( coal country ) ; said he saw a flash of bright light then he passed out as his jet hurtled toward a crash over Russia. Marine helo pilots complained years ago of a high intensity beam from the mast of a Russian ship that blinded them... gave them horresnous headaches and may have burned their retinas... they tried like hell to get benefits and reconized. maybe , they did ; but not publically. abck in the early 80's the C.O. of VQ1 was on his way to Manila ( his plane went down without a sign ). it disappeared. i had this ghastly feeling , a psychic feeling his plane could have been hit by a lightening bolt tesla type of death ray ( a laser cannon ). who the heck knows... advancements in weaponry are non stop. the Boeing jets will be equiped with high intensity lasers to intercept and even toast anything it sites. nanotech weapons are real. its nothing to send some book reader or Buck Rogers fan into a Stalinist sanitaorium of vipers. UAV s , robotic platforms will be sweep key areas of interest to maintain security. some of these UAV s will run on nuclear engines non stop. if we can keep Dick Cheney's heart ticking with nuclear technology ; we by now have nuclear powered air surveillance conquered for deployment. nanotechnology could send neurotoxins flooding into the brains of an entire sea of regiments rendering them totally disabled. future wars may be unannounced and bigger than the bubonic plague. plagues that ravaged mid evil Europe or the potatoe famine that broke Ireland down into starvation and death. war is no joke. anything that wants to hurt you can be scary. losing a war can be a permanent turn in the vitality of a nation. " Danger danger Will Robinson gay bomb robot appraching danger Will danger. " " transponder from telco station tower indicates subject is off limits. subject to report immediately to the justice center for reassement and remedial action . if not ; UAV will track subject and pin them down for capture. " Big Brother is getting strong. technological security is a linchpin for peace.

Posted by: sparky322 at July 6, 2007 11:34 PM


"I can understand some sort of hallucinogen, but heroin?"

Heroin (as any opiates) loosens inhibitions, act as a powerfull anxiolytic, alleviate pain (physic and psychic), and make you think less...

Posted by: Uncle Fester at November 17, 2006 01:51 PM


Is the James Ketchum in this thread the same man mentioned here at this site?

http://www.lucentsucks.com/Bad-Trip.html

I hope you contact me JK because I want to know more.

Posted by: Chuck West at October 13, 2006 05:27 AM


"BZ or "Agent Buzz" is the military name for 3-quinuclidinyl benzillate, an extremely powerful hallucinogen."

Isn't this what the movie "Jacob's Ladder" was about??

Posted by: Mike at May 12, 2006 11:51 AM



There are a number of official US reports that do point to BZ producing violent behaviour (not necessarily in all exposed), though this may depend on which 'version' of BZ is administered and other factors.
And clearly the original report from Iraq took an aggressive reaction as its starting point.
So I would have to ask what the basis would be for suggesting otherwise?

Posted by: David Hambling at February 27, 2006 02:43 AM


This article on BZ contains several errors. I did the Army research with BZ in the 1960s so I can speak with some authority. It is not a drug that produces aggressive behavior. Rather, like scopolamine (which it resembles in effects) it is a drug that produces initial sedation and stupor (after a delay that is progressively shorter with higher doses). Only after 36-48 hours does the capacity to solve even simple problems return and full recovery takes another 1-2 days (depending on dose. The effects are reversible with physostigmine.

Posted by: James Ketchum at January 14, 2006 04:01 PM


It's easier to scoff at your own ignorance rather than get off your A$$ and do research on the subject. Parts of the article are obviously false but isn't that the case with almost any media release about the government and its dealings? If not then why are some actions classified and other actions covert? And YES we give SOME troops chemically performance enhancing items (lets call them drugs). We and any other nation doing this is plainly seeking an advantage whether right or wrong you signed on the fucking dotted line (R-tard). I was once a pawn of the same system (enlisted Marine) but we are all unwilling pawns in the elitist perpetual infatuation with power and control (Conflict Theory). I guess we are back to the original wisdom that knowledge is power and ignorance is bliss. Hope this helped those who are seeking the truth... I'm still searching!

Posted by: EGA (Eagle Globe and Anchor) at December 26, 2005 12:14 AM



BZ most certainly is effective in aerosol form!
Given the right delivery medium, it can even work on skin contact.

See safety sheet http://chppm-www.apgea.army.mil/dts/docs/detbz.pdf

It was discontinued as a weapon because of unpredictable effects, as described.

Posted by: David Hambling at December 20, 2005 02:48 AM


I think this is a very good question and needs to be taken seriously. Not only with the insurgents but with the suicidal bombers.

Posted by: cobra at December 18, 2005 05:00 AM


You can't stop ths signal!
(Sorry, as a Browncoat I just had to say that when I read this...) Go watch Serenity (movie) , and you'll know what I mean...

Posted by: DmaN at December 14, 2005 10:00 AM


BZ = BS... I was an "underground" (dope) chemist in the '60s & 70s and actually made a few ounces of BZ to test it.. It is an incapacitating agent, not an excitant. It is extremely powerful, so much so that all one can do to survive a dose is to lay there and focus on breathing. The slightest effort to move or resist could result in death. I kid you not. I tried it myself a couple of times, then destroyed the batch. I will give it credit, however, for being an astounding hallucinogen.

The US made tons of it and packed it in bombs to drop on the Viet Cong... then they found that it doent work as an aerosol; it has to be ingested orally... duh...

Posted by: None of Your Bizness at December 13, 2005 09:01 PM


So? Where are they getting BZ? US-made Iran-Iraq war leftovers? How long before it shows up here?

Posted by: James at December 12, 2005 01:43 PM



I'm afraid I have never lived in San Diego, nor been called Flip.

Perhaps you're thinking of the other David Hambling, the truck-driving serial killer -
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/profiler/season1/profiler-118.txt

Posted by: David Hambling at December 11, 2005 05:04 AM


> Robert Hoppe posted on December 9, 2005 01:14 AM:
> the military has a drug policy
> and it is 'no tolerence'.
> Getting shot at is all the body needs to
> jump into drugless-hypermode.
> If you dont believe me...try it.

== == == ==

Why would the brass tell the ground pounders?
Tell me, are there any pre-battle meds,
or supplements of any variety handed out?
It could labeled anything.
It could be a fluid.
Get you electrolytes built up.
Load up on carbs,
never know when you'll have time for an MRE.

We know the USAF still uses speed:
*Brad Knickerbocker, "Military looks to drugs for battle readiness", Christian Science Monitor, August 09, 2002

We know that ephedra use is common in the military:
*US Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL), Proposes an Ephedra Ban at Military Base stores, October 5, 2005

Drug-free the military ain't, pardner.

Posted by: an old conscript doc at December 10, 2005 10:45 PM


A bit off the subject... Pardon me David, are you the same David Hambling that went by the nickname "flip", and who lived in San Diego in the early 90s?

Thanks and best regards!

TG

Posted by: Terry G at December 10, 2005 01:39 AM


You got it flip, BZ is a tropane, like belladonna, henbane, and mandrake root. An incapacitant, not an enhancement substance. Doubtful that anyone is ingesting it on the battlefield- not voluntarily, anyway.

My guess is that the muj are using methamphetamines and/or opium/heroin. The combination is ideal for the nihilism of combat, particularly last-ditch stands and suicide missions.

Amphetamines have been heavily used by armies in wartime almost ever since they were invented. And before that, the German Army was experimenting with cocaine to improve stamina, drill, and motor skills, under General von Faupel, their military attache in Bolivia before the First World War. As for qat, or khat- its active principle is cathinone, it works like speed.

Every combat soldier in Vietnam had Dexedrine as part of their field kit. The US armed forces were supplied with hundreds of millions of the pills during that era. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=amphetamines+military+use&btnG=Search


If you don't believe the numerous references on the Internet, read the book Speed Culture, by Lester Grinspoon, M.D.

I doubt that the U.S. military has stopped using amphetamines, because they can supply an edge in stamina and motor coordination. And if "aggression" is a frequent side effect of heavy use- well, that's the whole idea of combat, isn't it?

America's pristine drug-free warriors, what a fairy tale...only the enemy uses "dope", yeah right.

Read Hemingway...lacking access to the not-yet-invented amphetamines, many soldiers in the trenches in World War One drank themselves numb before they charged across no-man's-land.

Given the same circumstances- wouldn't you?

Combat is a deadly serious business. Militaries, and soldiers, use anything that they think will work.

Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome is no joke, either. The afflicted are often drawn to anything that works to blot out the memories, or kill the pain.

Posted by: Robert D. Reed at December 9, 2005 11:06 PM


Nice self promo....


Speaking of Weapons Grade, my publishers would like me to mention my book of the same title which provides an insight into military high-tech from directed-energy weapons to nanotechnology and how it will change both warfare and civilian life.)

Posted by: Temo at December 9, 2005 05:12 PM



The US military does make still make use of amphetamines in some circumstances. Morphine is an 'illegal drug' but that has valid uses too.

Posted by: David Hambling at December 9, 2005 03:13 AM


Hate to burst your bubble but the military has a drug policy and it is 'no tolerence'. Getting shot at is all the body needs to jump into drugless-hypermode. If you dont believe me...try it.

Posted by: Robert Hoppe at December 9, 2005 01:14 AM


way to delude yourself, mike. its been well documented that the military employs performance enhancing drugs such as benzedrine and amphetamines. you'd be lying to yourself to deny it.

Posted by: finn at December 8, 2005 06:53 PM


Heroin, is a pain killer. In case of minor injury the fighter would not notice.

by looking at that molecule for BZ I kinda get the feeling that I would not want to try it. by the listed effects it both looks and acts like a tropaine should... I can't see it being of any use other than to use against an defensive force held up in a city.
add some white phosphor and stand back as people wig out.

Khat/qat was a plant caught up in the hysteria of the anti drug 1960's the actives are stimulants with one are listed as schedule 1 inthe american anti drug laws.

know your drugs people.

Posted by: flip at December 8, 2005 03:55 PM


BZ is indeed an incapacitating agent. Its effects are very much like LSD, but with markedly longer effects... up to three days. Confusion and a resulting inability to follow directions is a primary symptom of BZ exposure.
I very seriously doubt that anybody wishing to conduct offensive military operations would take it themselves, or administer it to their soldiers. The result would be a slaughter.

Posted by: B 2/75 at December 8, 2005 03:21 PM


Check out the movie Jacobs Ladder with Tim Robbins. It's about the use of BZ in the military.

Posted by: utopiate at December 8, 2005 02:43 PM


Benzedrine was giving out for sure in WWII. Most people got started on it back then. Referred to as Benies, aka Benny and the Jets(elton john). Elvis said he first started using them while in the military. I suggest you read up on the drug use/experimentation of substances involving the military.


Brief History of benzedrine
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/socialhistory.html

USAF on speed
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001211.html

Posted by: jd at December 8, 2005 01:02 PM


BZ is an incapacitating agent, not an enabling agent. You'd be lucky to be able to tie your shoes, much less carry out suicide attacks while tripping on this stuff. Even if you could, you'd be moving at about 1/4 speed. Giving uppers to combat pilots is equally stupid. Why would you want a pilot in the air who is strung out and jittery? It's not like the US has a shortage of qualified pilots and safe places for them to rest, being the dominate military power on Earth. The only drugs that the military employs effectively are nicotine and caffiene. God bless our troops' smokes and coffee!

Posted by: Mike 2 at December 8, 2005 12:20 PM


Go pills! Your a jack a&&! Have you ever been to Iraq dip shi#. MD's dont hand out go pills!
Get a job!

Posted by: mike at December 8, 2005 09:25 AM


Very interesting... and scary... Thanks anyway.

Posted by: frank at December 8, 2005 08:00 AM


I've heard that the US military has issued amphetamins to pilots flying out of air craft carriers.

Posted by: Dale R. Gowin at December 8, 2005 12:37 AM


The Russians used to issue vodka to assault battalions prior to attacks in WW2. In West Africa the warlords used cocaine to stoke the soldiers. So it's not really new. I guess I would be surprised to find the Iraqi rebels were using something so exotic. Coke or crystal meth, perhaps especially crystal meth, would do the job just fine.

Posted by: James at December 7, 2005 10:14 PM


> Whenever CIA operations need that ol' black CA$H, the drug trade will flourish

> Recall hyperaggressive USAF bombing of Canadian troops in Afghanistan with accompanying reports of service MDs handing out "go pills"

>Reports from Iraq of stoned suicide bombers (heroin)

The funny thing is both sides are hyperbolic in their antidrug statements to the masses. But, behind the scenes...well let's just say they create their own realities.

Posted by: tinhattom at December 7, 2005 06:00 PM


I think the recent book by an Iraq vet that talks about the easy availability of drugs such as steroids to US troops is call 'the last true story I'll ever tell - and roids may be the more effective of aggression inducing drugs.

Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2005 03:08 PM


Chris:

I fixed 'em.

nms

Posted by: Noah Shachtman at December 7, 2005 02:54 PM



Khat/qat is quite the same - about 80% of the adult population in the Yemen use it, and I believe it's about as common in Somalia. So the warlords would have been unusual if they hadn't chewed it. For some reason it's illegal in the US, but legal in Britain and widely used by immigrants from that part of the world.

Posted by: Wembley at December 7, 2005 02:54 PM


David,

It looks like most of the links in your article are borked. The URLs wound up as: http://www.defensetech.org/archives/"www.actualurl.com". Might want to go through and clean that up a bit. It doesn't happen to ALL hyperlinks, but most. Starting with "New chemical weapons that win by creating confusion..."


--Chris

Posted by: Christopher Karel at December 7, 2005 02:50 PM


Good Morning Folks,

Although this story is not new it is good that reporting it has gone up the media food chain.

The flip side is the use of drugs by U. S. forces hat in both Afghanistan and Iraq there is a U.S. drug problem.

The military maintains that it is just not happening but along with shake downs at traffic stops ($100.00 bills are all over the place I'm been told) stories by returning personal from the war zones tell a different story.

It is had to believe with street smart AR/NG's serving in Iraq and Afghanistan the idea has not crossed someone mind.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 7, 2005 02:21 PM


I can understand some sort of hallucinogen, but heroin?

Posted by: Capt. Jean-Luc Pikachu at December 7, 2005 12:32 PM


Is that Tweetie-Bird in the first pic? I'm not high am I?

Posted by: Sam at December 7, 2005 11:57 AM


Somali warlords have been doing this for a while... nothing like some Khat in your mouth to get your nerves going (mentioned several times in Bowden's 'Black Hawk Down').

Posted by: Vicenzo at December 7, 2005 11:41 AM


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