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Posted by: wowpowerleveling at April 14, 2008 11:54 PM

I like this new challange for the air force I don't like the people making fun of the name of the cadets If you know enough about it the going to be called cyber-warriors.
I couple years I'm applying for USAF OTS with a major in computer science this is why i'm liking this Cyberspace challange.

Posted by: Francisco at January 27, 2007 07:10 PM

Consider that the F-14 was operational in 18 months, complete with swing wing. There has been no significant increase in the systems on board new aircraft. Certainly nothing that would account for an order of magnitude jump in cost and schedule. Is GPS going to add a decade to development? I don't think so. Digital avionics and busses should make things easier not harder, as should the plethora of other benefits the digital age has brought. There is no excuse for these jokers. This is a first rate scam, and the US Air Force has only itself to blame.

It's taking a toll on them too. I remember a couple of years ago Wright Patterson AFB had a safety stand down for about a week as I recall. Too many of their people were dying. They were killing themselves, as in, insert barrel, pull trigger. They've got these poor guys living in hotel rooms. They would see their families more if they were in the Navy. They are prevented from doing the job they'd like to do by officers who are more concerned about their careers than they are about doing what's right.

Too much responsibility and no authority. When I think of these poor guys being stressed to the point where they'd do something like that, it breaks my heart. And what did the Air Force do for them, hire a bunch of counselors to come in and tell them they had to "let go". Good idea there, tell an Air Force full of Type A personalities to "let go". Typical.

Posted by: Dfens at December 13, 2005 07:32 PM

Careful, Dfens. There are a few errors in your arguments.
Simply- modern aircraft are an order of magnitude more complex than planes like the F-86 or B-29.
The state of the art in 1950 hardly bears comparison to the state of the art in 1980, let alone today.
Let's look at this from an engineering perspective. Consider the P-51: it went from a rough design in 1940 to dominating the skies by 1944. The A-1 Skyraider was designed in a single night, according to air lore. The development cycle for a new airframe might be completed in a few years.
Now add in modern radar, comm, navigation, life support (and that's only the tip of the iceberg) as well as the flexibility, speed, and endurance we expect from a modern combat aircraft and suddenly you're lucky if your production will spin up inside a decade.
This isn't to say the development and acquisition process doesn't need reform- it does- but you can't judge this century by the standards of fifty years ago.

As for those snarky comments about MS-DOS (which hit too close to home for this old comm hand) you should see the mix of equipment AF 3CXs and 2E2s have mastered.

Posted by: TheMasterTimekeeper at December 13, 2005 02:46 PM

I've never seen an electronics box make an airplane stealthy, have you? You don't think aerodynamics matter in airplanes? You've got to be kidding me! Has anyone ever explained to you that drag goes up with the square of velocity? It can go up even faster once a vehicle exceeds Mach 0.3 due to compressibility. In the '50s there was some doubt as to whether or not we'd ever be able to build a supersonic airplane. Now it just doesn't matter? It's funny how it seems to matter with race cars that run around in circles at Mach 0.25. If you build an airplane that goes Mach 2, suddenly it's like picking a shoe off a rack. Who'd have guessed?

You've been paying too much attention to that sorry Air Force of ours, but I assure you, aerodynamics still count when it comes to airplanes. I am ashamed of the Air Force we have now. When I was young, they were rolling out newer, hotter planes all the time. None of this once every quarter century crap! We certainly didn't get kicked around by 3rd world countries then, and if we had, we would have done something about it, not just try to spin the news like some 2 bit, snake oil selling politician. Hell, about every third pilot I meet these days is geekier than I am, and I'm an engineer! High tech Air Force, indeed. How about a kick ass and take names Air Force? I wonder if words like honor, pride, and honesty still mean anything at that little school they have in Colorado?

Posted by: Dfens at December 12, 2005 08:40 PM

New name for the the cadets at the Air Force Academy "Space Cadets.

Posted by: john at December 12, 2005 02:21 PM

Those of you that think our air frames are out of date arn't really looking at the whole picture. Our air frames for the most part are like the PC cases I have been using for almost a decade at home. The only thing that is original on these things are the case themselves. Even the aircraft that are still the same as they where when they first flew (Good luck finding one of those, even the transports have been majorly upgraded) work well are are far beyond the capacity of just about any military in the world. Even those militaries that are flying air frames as new as ours and have pilots as good as ours are hoplessly outnumbered by ours. Do we need new air frames? YES. Can we expect them to (Or anything as high tech) to take less than a decade to put into complete production? No

The very large bank I work for is considered a industry leader in IT. Yet it will often take us 3 or 4 years to put together and run a major new system and these systems are based on technology someone else came up with and we just tweat to our use. New jet fighters are a little more complicated than a few online banking portal (Which took us almost 6 years)

Posted by: The Cenobyte at December 12, 2005 11:21 AM

Quick comment. Promoting yourself as some sort of cyber-defence org does not mean jack unless you have some sort of authority over other branches of government. None of the countless internet governance/enforcment bodies have any teeth. No-one can go to say, the directory of the FBI and tell them that they need to get their shit together. How many cyber-tsars have we been through, 4?

Posted by: Alex at December 12, 2005 11:17 AM

Yes, we look decades beyond the IAF. The only operational fighters the Air Force has took a few years to develop. Now with computer aided design, finite elements analysis, computational fluid dynamics, and PCs on the desk of our secretaries that are faster than a supercomputer was when these operational fighters were designed, it takes us as many decades to build a new fighter as it took years to build those we have now. Real high tech. At that rate, their cyber-warriors should become MSDOS experts in just a few more years.

Posted by: Dfens at December 11, 2005 12:04 AM

Its funny you say that Dfens, I really couldnt imagine the military without the Air Force. Our technology is 20 years old? Sounds like a bit of an exaggeration, even so... if that is the case we're still decades ahead of any other country tough guy. If you understood the whole process of putting technology into use, it does take a long time. But maybe you just believe its invented one day and ready-to-use the following day? Are you 8 years old or do you just have the brain of one?

Posted by: J at December 10, 2005 11:12 PM

Good Morning Fols,

To good of a cheap shot, I just can't resist. New name for the the cadets at the Air Force Academy "Space Cadets.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 10, 2005 02:07 PM

Yes, this Air Force is doing a bang up job with high tech. They defend our nation in fighters built in the '70s. It's not that we actually own any air defense fighters, but they could be used for that. When their nifty new fighter, precious, finally becomes operational, it will already be 20 years old and faces parts obsolescence issues as it is being tested for operational suitability. And these are the youngsters. Most of the rest are truly ancient. I don't even want this Air Force protecting our air space, let alone our cyberspace.

Posted by: Dfens at December 9, 2005 07:41 PM