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How would a claymore like weapon, with multiple rounds sent from the blast location be detected by the boomerang? For example, a claymore or similar weapon is detonated anywhere around a convoy, when the soldiers react, possibly exiting the vehicles they will be subjuect to sniper fire. I am not saying this will or could happen, I am just looking into the possibilities.

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Boomerang detects supersonic shock waves generated by the bullet, therefore, it is not susceptible to 'spoofing' from 'blanks', firecrackers, car backfire or other similar 'noises'. It will NOT detect subsonic rounds which generate a muzzle blast (i.e. loud noise). This was intentional in order to develop a system that did not false alert when operating in the high noise environment of a HMMWV driving at tactical speeds through urban areas. It is also designed to ignore 'return fire' . It is the lowest cost system of it's type on the market. It will save lives.

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An old rifle with a timer on the trigger, then. At Gallipoli, to cover the fact that they were withdrawing, the British troops left rifles propped up on the parapets and improvised timers out of old jam tins. (Water dripping into the tin attached by a string to the trigger.) Thus, while the whole force was creeping down to the beach, the Turks heard occasional shots from "snipers" whistling overhead.

And the idea is distraction. The get the enemy to respond to a "threat" in such a way as to expose himself to a worse threat. I hope it works out for them, but I think their delight will fade once the enemy learns to spoof it. I'm also unsure about the technical details.

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A squib or blanks don't work against these systems. They are looking for not only the sound of the shot itself but the sound of the round moving through the air. If there is no round moving though the air then the system will assume that it was only a sound that sounded like a gun shot.

And even if this did work, you might be able to make the system in Chicago look away (Although according to some people I have talked to it works great and they don't ever get false alarms) in Iraq I think the bad-guys are going to be hard pressed to come up with a good system for fooling them without wasting huge amounts of time and energy (I mean if you can make squips go off all around the truck why not just set off a few bombs?)

Now having said all that, I am not sure the effect on sub-sonic rounds. I just haven't seen anything on that.

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Posted by: rutty at December 11, 2005 02:57 PM

The gunshot locater will be effective for about 24 hours. The gunshot detector presumably detects gunshots that miss as well, no? Gunshots pointed at other vehicles in the convoy? Gunshots pointed straight up in the air? Gunshots from subsonic rounds (like the .45)? Obviously, then, a blank round or a squib will generate an alarm.

A circle of squibs around the target vehicle can be used to induce panic in the crew or simply to conceal the true location of the weapon. Similarly, Chicago's finest criminals will pop off a squib to get the cameras to turn away from their intended crime. If I can figure this out within thirty seconds of reading the article, imagine what the insurgents could do with all day to think about it.

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