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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Wiretaps' Fishy Rationale

It's no surprise that the President defended the NSA's domestic eavesdropping this morning; the guy backs every decision he makes, to the death. And it's no surprise to learn that the President had "reauthorized the program more than 30 times since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and plans to continue doing so," according to the AP.

But what's odd is why the Administration felt they needed to avoid geting warrants for the wiretaps, in the first place. As Josh notes:

[T]he prime rationale for this program appears to have been to avoid the time and bureaucratic hurdles involved in getting warrants.

In the abstract, there sounds like there might be some merit in that argument, especially considering the importance of speed in counter-terrorism work.

The problem is that the FISA Court -- the secret court set up to handle just such warrant requests -- is designed for speed. And it is known for being extremely indulgent of government applications for warrants...

It turns out that FISA specifically empowers the Attorney General or his designee to start wiretapping on an emergency basis even without a warrant so long as a retroactive application is made for one "as soon as practicable, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General authorizes such surveillance." (see specific citation, here)...

All of this, of course, is separate from the issue of the president overruling a federal statute by executive order -- something that by definition a president cannot do. But something seems fishy about the rationale itself.

But that's not the only fishy thing here. In his radio address today, the President said:

The existence of this secret program was revealed in media reports after being improperly provided to news organizations. As a result, our enemies have learned information they should not have, and the unauthorized disclosure of this effort damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk.

Which implies that, somehow, suspected jihadists might not have known before that the government could be eavesdropping on them. Realistically, what are the chances of that?

UPDATE 2:05 PM EST: Also, if the Administration thinks it basically has the power to do whatever it damn pleases -- detain Americans indefinitely, torture terror suspects, eavesdrop without a warrant -- then why bother pushing for the Patriot Act? What do you need new laws for, if you're already allowed to use every trick in the book?

UPDATE 12/18/05 AM: Ryan says the same thing, but better. And be sure to check out this WaPo page one analysis:

In his four-year campaign against al Qaeda, President Bush has turned the U.S. national security apparatus inward to secretly collect information on American citizens on a scale unmatched since the intelligence reforms of the 1970s.

UPDATE 12/18/05 PM: Be sure to check out Glenn Greenwald on whether or not these warantless wiretaps were legal or not. (Hint: no.)

We’re not talking here about an unconvincing or erroneous legal argument. This is something different entirely – it is an argument based upon a fundamental misquoting of the law in question designed to make illegal behavior look legal.

(Big ups: Jeralyn)

Comments

I think we should be working to defeat militant terrorism Dan, I just wish the Cheney administration, excuse me the Bush administration, was doing something about it.

Posted by: Sarge at December 18, 2005 06:19 PM


And here I thought all this time that defensetech.org was for the defeat of militant terrorists and understood that George Bush isn't the boogyman the liberal wacko world wants to believe he is.

I was wrong... sorry, my bad.

Posted by: Dan Sherman at December 18, 2005 06:04 PM


The White House needs to tell the Pentagon promptly to destroy the records of protesters as required, within three months. It also needs promptly to tell the NSA to return to following the rules, to get the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court before monitoring Americans' communications. The idea that all of this is being done to us in the name of national security doesn't wash; that is the language of a police state. Those are the unacceptable actions of a police state.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05352/623818.stm

Posted by: Sarge at December 18, 2005 02:43 PM


THe original article said he was authorizing wiretaps domestically without warrants. Then about 10 minutes after the article was posted it was changed to "international" communications only. Then Bush the next day says that because people posted the article it was taking away from our national security... Maybe he was referring to the original article that said that the NSA was spying not only on international communications but incountry communications too. That is what I think. I know better to think the .gov only has an eye on "international" SIGINT. And what is stopping a judge from not authorizing an eavesdrop on your entire life because you read the cat in the hat when you were 6? I would say not much, nevermind if you actually research things like explosives, chemistry, biology, model rocketry, firearms, etc.

The new Patriot Act they are debating says that anyone who has interest in explosives generally will allow the Attorney General and his minions to request eavesdropping from a judge and have a just cause. Just because someone knows how to make explosives they have to sacrifice their privacy?

I cant goto the library and read up on how crazy the communists were or else I will have DHS goons come harass me who's sole existnce is to troll you into anger so they can pepper spray you(probably). I mean if they are anything like local law enforcement in this country they dont know what manners are and are no better then the criminals they are supposed to protect us against.

And I *think* it wasnt until recently that a judge could sign off on a list of names. So all NSA has to do is find(Pay off) one judge to aithorize eavesdropping on all 300 million of us at once. Considering they dont uphold the 2nd Amendment, I would doubt they would hold up the rest of "that goddamn peice of paper the constitution".

Btw I probably do think the President actually said that, I have no proof but I have the freedom to think what I want. He cant possibly have any integrity and dignity anyways since he hasnt repealed the ban on certain firearms and implements of war. Which really means I have no respect for him.

DO unto others as you want done unto you. Id rather have people with SAM sites in their backyard then a disarmed public getting jammed up the ass by authority. We are all going to die anyways, mine as well be free and enjoy it then to pretend we are immortals living in some fairly land where there is nothing but peace and eternity. Because im pretty sure thats BS. So I kind of take offense to the governemnt overstepping its powers and not having any integrity. I think they forgot all the people who fought and died for that "goddamn constitution". Maybe the Declaration of Independance will remind them when they get strung up in a tree. I doubt that would happen but who knows, like Bush says "freedom cannot be stopped". I guess in the next Presidential term when people are sick of Republicans and then a Democrat gets elected and screws things up into a GUN free welfare society with homosexuals allowed to bang in public and abortion being allowed up to children of the age of 5, then we will have a revolution (or something like that anyways, maybe a new domestic spying agency). I guess its not far.

Posted by: jtw at December 18, 2005 10:04 AM


Please post an author's name with your opinion pieces. Anything else is unprofessional and unbecoming of any website that wishes to be taken seriously.

Posted by: master sarge at December 18, 2005 09:01 AM


Why do you need new laws if you can 'do whatever you please'? Maybe because you actually CAN'T do whatever you please. Now that makes some logical sense.

I would advise that the NY Times report be taken with a grain of salt. There is a whole lot of speculation out there, and very little of it actually seems reasonable. Just because Bush defends it or can't explain it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Seriously, the guy couldn't explain how to make a grilled cheese sandwhich if he had to.

As for the NSA intercepts, how is this news? The NSA has been in the SIGINT business for years, and the entire international ECHELON network intercepts roughly 3 billion communications every day. Don't tell me that innocent private conversations don't end up in that total.

Posted by: Jesse Clark at December 17, 2005 09:10 PM


Ah, I see George is taking our advice by showing how strong he is by openly flauting the law. Adolf and I did that too when our power was so compelte that we didn't need the fig leaf off legal nicety to cover our actions.

Oh, my guys wore black and Adolf's brown. What color does George's supporters wear?

Posted by: Benito at December 17, 2005 07:50 PM


Yeah, the FBI is too busy hassling students for checking out commie books:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm

I feel so much safer with these Crooks & Liars in charge.

Posted by: Sarge at December 17, 2005 07:41 PM


PierreM

As far as I'm concerned, this tears it. Josh Marshall says

It turns out that FISA specifically empowers the Attorney General or his designee to start wiretapping on an emergency basis even without a warrant so long as a retroactive application is made for one "as soon as practicable, but not more than 72 hours after the Attorney General authorizes such surveillance." (see specific citation, here).


"Timliness" was stated over and over again yesterday by administration apologists as the reason that they could not take the time to apply to the FISA cout for permission. That is obviously crap. They simply do not want to have to apply for permission from FISA.

As far as I'm concerned there is only one reason for that. They do not want FISA (who has only been known to deny permission one time since its inception) to find out who they are surveilling.

Wanna guess why?

Maybe we should ask John Bolton.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/12/16/142620/20

Posted by: Sarge at December 17, 2005 07:38 PM


Patriot act is a Justice Department/FBI thing. The NSA spying/torture/detentions etc stuff is Department of Defense. You've got to remember that there are several competing bureaucracies involved here.

Posted by: spacenookie at December 17, 2005 05:17 PM


My understanding is that (even prior to 9/11 or the Patriot Act) no US citizen has a 'right to privacy' regarding anything (goods, letters, phone calls or electronic transmissions) that cross the border.

So if there is any 'fire' here and not just a lot of media hype it has to do with either:

a) monitoring domestic phone calls;

or,

b) using the NSA's resources to conduct such activities.

Both (a) and (b) may be legally problematic; but I doubt seriously if anyone in the admin would have undertaken such activities without a good look at the legal basis for such actions.

People need to recall that the Congress authorized the President to use "all eans necessary" to combat terrorism, a phrase the SCOTUS has already ruled is the legal equivalent of a declaration of war: if they are unhappy with the results, they should think a little bit more about what they authorize.

Matt, here's a clue:

US dead from al Queda in the US ~= 3,000
US dead from US covert ops in the US: 0

Only 3 American citizens have been detained by US armed forces since 9/11. Only 1 was detained in the US, the other two were captured as a part of combat operations abroad. Two of these cases have been or are in the process of being disposed of in the criminal courts, and 1 nominal 'citizen' was returned to Saudi Arabia.

Large numbers of aliens were detained after 9/11 under the 'material witness' statutes (a fig leaf for internment), but almost all of them were released within a few months.

Not exactly the imposition of 'martial law.'

The Bush adinistration has in fact conducted itself with remarkable moderation. If its hands (and those of future administrations) are tied now, we will greatly increase the probability that we will be atacked again, and the backlash afterwards will lead to a much greater curtailment of civil liberties than anything now seen, so be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: PierreM at December 17, 2005 04:33 PM


Good Afternoon Folks,

Allthough the above story has made headlines the past 48 hours there is really nothing new here.

Some of you lawyers please correct me if I'm incorrect on this, but under the Congressional mandate after 9/11 excluding the Patroit Act President Bush or the next President is acting with in the law. Congress gave the President a very broad authority to go after terrorists and President Bush is rightly using it.

As to the NSA interception of communications I believe that only includes tapping into domestic to domestic land lines only.

Wireless mobile communication is still the last I heard, considered public airways and the Government can intercept any thing transmitted to include, voice, video, text and any other data.

If Congress is really so outraged about this let them pass legislation to deal with it. So far no one seems that upset.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 17, 2005 03:55 PM


"Defending the program, Bush said in his address that it is used only to intercept the international communications of people inside the United States who have been determined to have "a clear link" to al- Qaida or related terrorist organizations."

Oh say he didn't violate the rights of those poor al-qaida terrorists again. That's so unfair! This is America, where terrorists, and every other weirdo whacked out bunch of psychos has way more rights than any dumb sucker like me who follows the laws and contributes something to society. Gee, why don't we go back to WW2 and find out if anyone's rights were violated then too. Personally, when it comes to people who aid terrorists, I believe we should all do our best to put the "evil" back in medevil.

Posted by: Dfens at December 17, 2005 03:01 PM


Who's intimidation operations are you talking about? The Presidents or our enemies. In fact, it's getting harder to distinguish between just who is more dangerous; a rogue President, skirting national and international law for his own dogmatic pursuit or the terrorists, skirting national and international law for their own dogmatic pursuits.

hmmm...

Posted by: matt at December 17, 2005 02:49 PM


How else are we going to defend ourselves against successful intimidation operations?

Posted by: rutty at December 17, 2005 01:51 PM


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