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Pain Ray Headed to Iraq?

It's been talked about for years. But the Pentagon's microwave-like pain ray may finally be headed to Iraq, Inside the Army reports.

active_denial_system.jpgDeveloped by the Air Force, the so-called "Active Denial System" (ADS) fires out milimeter waves -- a sort of cousin of microwaves, in the 95 GHz range. The invisible beams penetrate just a 64th of inch beneath the skin. But that's deep enough to heat up the water inside a person. Which is enough to cause excruciating pain.

Seconds later, people have to run away. And that causes mobs to break up in a hurry. It's no wonder, then, why less-lethal weapon guru Charles "Sid" Heal calls the ray the "Holy Grail of crowd control."

Raytheon has been developing a Humvee-mountable ADS for the Pentagon over the last couple of years, as part of an ACTD, or "advanced concept technology demonstration."

By now, the system was supposed to be in the field. But there have been concerns that the ADS tests weren't sufficiently realistic. The Pentagon ordered additional trials. More than 2,370 ADS shots were fired during a pair of "military utility assessments" over the fall.

Now, the head of the Army's Rapid Equipping Force -- the unit in charge of getting gear to the troops in a hurry -- is saying: enough.

The system's "capabilities have, to date, been sufficiently demonstrated in the ACTD [advanced concept technology demonstration] to prove its value to the solider," Col. Robert Lovett notes in a memo, obtained by Inside the Army.

And the 18th Military Police Brigade has requested ADS "to help 'suppress' insurgent attacks and quell prison uprisings."

ADS' technical manager, Diana Loree, said the system "now meets all of the ACTD performance parameters," Inside the Army notes.

"Because the system is a hand-built, one-of-a-kind technology demonstrator, it does not meet conventional humvee curb weight requirements... However, the technology team worked closely with [Humvee manufacturer] AM General to ensure the safety of the system and its occupants."

There has also been talk, at least, of building an airborne model of ADS -- as well as putting together a Hummer with both pain rays and sonic blasters. Needless to say, neither project is as far along as the basic Active Denial System.

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hummmm Whats going to happen when petrol prices get too high for americans to go to work everyday?? when the oil based elements of fertilizer cost too much for farmers???

I think the pain ray will be great in helping to keep a good working population motivated.

Posted by: rimu at April 9, 2008 07:15 AM


In any case, I'm glad to see they took it down finally.

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Great substitute for water boarding without all the wet mess! Who is going to stop them from using it?

Raytheon makes a smaller table top version, that's perfect for prison abuse. Google Raytheon Silent Guardian for the specs.

Organized crime is aleady using this technology, Google Electronic Harassment for details.

Atlanta-Attacks.com is just one example...

How do we protect ourselves if we disagree and the other side wants to suppress dissent?

Posted by: ElectronicElephants at March 9, 2008 12:47 AM


Great substitute for water boarding without all the wet mess! Who is going to stop them from using it?

Raytheon makes a smaller table top version, that's perfect for prison abuse. Google Raytheon Silent Guardian for the specs.

Organized crime is aleady using this technology, Google Electronic Harassment for details.

Atlanta-Attacks.com is just one example...

How do we protect ourselves if we disagree and the other side wants to suppress dissent?

Posted by: ElectronicElephants at March 9, 2008 12:47 AM


I just saw this technology demonstrated on 60 minutes. They have been field testing this for the last 3 years. At the most there has been a few cases of rashes breaking out and a couple of 2nd degree burns. I have had friends that have told me if they would have had this tech in the AOR that many lives could have been saved on both sides. For you that call this tech deplorable why don't you do some research before your knee jerk reactionary comments come spilling out of your uninformed mouth. What part of non-lethal do you not understand? When the alternative is a bullet to this I am sure a field commander would welcome this alternative.

Posted by: BK at March 2, 2008 11:01 PM


do you think things will change with bush gone. no. these things have been going on for 50+ years, just previous leaders were a little better at hiding it. who controls the media? the majority of our population stays in the dark because they are happy there. the question is will we be better off when the light suddenly comes on? i would like to think so but by that time it will be too late. when we finally wake up, the bill of rights will be long gone and so will our illusion of freedom. read the book 1984 and you will understand where we will be in 20 years(hopefully not sooner, but who knows)

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Posted by: Req at March 17, 2007 04:34 AM


it won't be long before this abomination is used as crowd control in riots at home. hooray! another rung ascended towards the police state.

Posted by: cam at March 4, 2007 02:55 PM


it won't be long before this abomination is used as crowd control in riots at home. hooray! another rung ascended towards the police state.

Posted by: cam at March 4, 2007 02:54 PM


This weapon is incredible, I am glad to see a non-lethal defense weapon being introduced to the battlefield... A few notes to the commenters here who think this project is a bad idea...

1) When your life is on the line, you'll have no problem with inducing pain on another person- if it means you will get to live...

2) This weapon would only ever be used in a situation that warrants it... These wont be distributed to troops as toys to just play with.

3) If you have a problem with the battlefield technologies being developed for use with the US military, try moving to a small, uninhabited country where defensive weapons are not needed... See how life is then, when you have no assets to protect, and nothing to protect you.

Mad props on this project moving out to the troops... I'm glad to see technology being taken advantage of, and can't wait to have sentry guns out in foreign countries, rather than soldiers!

Posted by: Idiot Technology at February 12, 2007 04:39 PM


And if some kid's walking by with a mobile phone pressed to their ear?

Here's hoping the door units develop short-circuits and the mercenaries for the Carlyle group in Iraq get fried in their humvees by their own weapon. Live by the millimetre radiation, die by millimetre radiation. Whichever disgusting pig at Raytheon dreamed this abomination up should put their head in a microwave and cook it in shame.

Posted by: m sutton at January 27, 2007 12:55 PM


FINALLY! 'Democrats' (I call myself one) have been crying foul about this weapon since it was in it's early infancy. I agree, a broad application of this weapon is NOT the 'ideal' world, but unless any of you have served in Iraq, you have no right to try to keep this weapon away from our troops.

At present, a squad's only resort to an angry mob is to hold fire when fired upon. Insurgents hide one or two shooters inside an unarmed or poorly armed (read: rocks, sticks) group of people and use that cover to start a firefight.

For the tiny percent of people that suffer permanent damage using this weapon, would it not still be in the best interest of both the US and it's enemies to disperse a crowd with pain rather than with death? Yes, this is an imperfect weapon, but it's an imperfect world, and I'll take DISABLING my enemy over KILLING my enemy ANY DAY!

Posted by: Robert at January 26, 2007 04:20 PM


When you pull out the humanity stops, you force your enemies to use tactics that are non-conventional as well. There would have to be a high degree of control with the parties in charge of using this technology. In a urban enviroment , there would be innocent bystanders in their homes.

Are these smart wavelenghts that can discriminate. Is this a concealment equals cover device. If not , then the former statement is proven. Fights breaking out at a rock concert or outdoor venue is not the same as mob mentality.

Read up on some of the old world war 2 stories about the hospitals being bombed and the mentality of trained soldiers that are battle hardened. Panic is a killer....

Beam and other high powered weapons are a logical progression, But just because you can, does that mean you should. Battlefield weapons belong on the battlefield.

Flame away , it is ok. I believe in your right to free speech. Do not call yourself a patriot of this fine country though, Call your self a patriot of the government in office, but not the constition.

This country was formed to stop senseless violenece and oppression, not harbor it. You say to me times have changed, those are old out dated views and creeds. I say back , you have allowed yourself to be changed because it was the easier road to hoe.

Posted by: c at January 22, 2007 03:22 PM


As a long time electrical engineer with also some background in medical research, I'm certain there is no way this deplorable technology cannot cause blindness and debilitating injury to at least some fraction of the innocent people on which it will be turned. Just consider that the Republican administration has used your tax dollars to promote this diabolical weapon. Call your congress members and senators and protest further implimentation of this barbaric modality. The decent ones will listen.

Posted by: Mark W. Stein at January 1, 2007 02:11 AM


You need to use the Pain Ray or Maser Ray in the war. But when are you going to use the Mother Of All Bombs also. Acoustic Canons are great too.

Posted by: Doug Beasley at November 14, 2006 08:54 AM


Obliviously many of you have never been a riot. I have worked security details for Rosa Parks and crowd/riot control for the KKK.

I have defended with my life the right for people to express there opinions but there are people out there that want to prevent that or have a distorted view of how to do that.

Can you say Custer’s last stand read here 200 cops and 1000 violent individuals. We will protect ourselves and control the violence preferably with less than lethal means. Aerosol chemicals, dispersion tactics, impact weapons.

If I have to use pain compliance like the weapon described so be it.

Would you rather me strike with my impact weapon a forward fluid shock wave to your common perinea which will cause a temporary interruption of nerve impulses to the lower leg causes you the inability to stand or move thereby causing you to no longer be a threat.

That means I hit you in the knee with a billy club of course if I miss a little and tear off your knee cap that permanently cripples you will sue me.

I would much rather point this thing in your direction and you go away.

Americans have a right to protest why am I automatically a villain because I won’t you or someone else burn the city down.

Maybe I should just shoot you at least you can‘t sue me.

Posted by: Lawdog at August 9, 2006 02:55 PM


What about crowds that are peacefully gathered? Can we trust big brother with our freedoms when they have this at their fingertips? NO ONE can know that it won't be used against good people gathering for good purposes. : (

Posted by: Samantha at August 9, 2006 02:26 PM


Sigh, I really shouldnt because you are not worth it, Sailor.
However, I really have a weak spot when ignorance opens it big mouth and whines about a few typographical errors. Particularly when the method of attack is to hypocritically make statements about someones intelligence from a blind spot view of tottally uninformed ignorance.
You see, I have Tendonitis. I also have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. Im short a finger due a screwed up saw. I have screws and staples holding the labrum and rotator cuff of one shoulder together as well, and have massive tearing of the shoulder muscles all the way across my back.
So, maybe I just dont feel that some ignorant mouth whos only focus is on the ability to organize letters in a manner which suits your distorted, inept and thoroughly distorted perception of what constitutes intelligence really has much ground to stand on when his solitary complaint and rebuttal is based on those aforementioned typographical errors.
I simply get to tired and hurt to bad sometimes to hunt out every little single mistake to the satisfaction of a holier than thou putz like yourself.
I figure that most people will have the intelligence to be able to read through my typographical errors without to much difficulty -or hypocritical name calling and vigilante white hat behavior.
I think you should step off, before the soapbox beats you senseless ... oh wait, its to late, isnt it . . .

That aside, anyone who thinks that the way to be secure is to allow the government to secure us, either needs to drop ship a brain, or go live in a nice safe box away from self empoweed humanity. We really dont need the aggravation of any more politically correct stupidity, because that is what has gotten us to where we are now.
This country was founded on individuals co-operating to attain a goal, not small masses of people dictating what proper behavior for anyone else might entail either locally, or worldwide.
The day dissent became politically incorrect and conformity became the status quo of patriotic behavior is the the day America should have cried in unison.


Posted by: BANFIADH at June 16, 2006 10:46 PM


Gary; you are correct sir and I had better not see any of these weapons near a Peace protest with women and children that's why I suggest they try these weapons out on Pregnant Female FBI, CIA, NSA, OSI, ONI, NIS, DEA and DIA Agents! Thank you.
Sincerely,
Jaye

Posted by: jaye at April 14, 2006 06:14 PM


If this had been around during the 60's. We'd still be in Vietnam and the struggle for civil rights would have turned out completely different.

Posted by: Gary at April 14, 2006 04:21 PM


Playing old Reagan and Bush speeches will be more effective at keeping an area empty. No seriously I would like to see it tried out on pregnant female CIA agents first to see if it really works! Thank you and Peace! Jaye

Posted by: Jaye at April 13, 2006 08:09 PM


I'd use it to make a torture device..knwoing the military secretley does this its no problem for so called humanitarians or what ever, use it as a torture device, squeeze information out of those damn terrorists, oh, im a go for conquering em, go ahead bush and mr prime minister, i'm with you on your conquests!

Posted by: Dylan of Darkness at March 21, 2006 04:51 PM


Here Here,

You will only be afraid if you allow religious zealots to scare you. Never allow anyone to tell you how you should feel.....

Posted by: K'De at March 18, 2006 02:18 AM


You fools should stop trying to control everything. This is too dangerous, please stop playing with our future.

Posted by: Human at March 8, 2006 06:35 PM


This weapon offers many benefits. Until now, the only ways to break up riots involved tear gas and bullets. For those worried about mind control rays, I can only say that the government doesn't need them--they've already put flouride in your water!!!

Posted by: Brian at March 1, 2006 01:50 PM


A quart of Naptha and a lighter costs 7.86 at the local hardware store. It's easy to afford a mean of destructing these and the two sentries when they hit the U.S. streets in violation of Posse Comitatus. Heck, a .good 22 rifle and a scope (think head shot) will take sentries out at 300 yards. Fifth Columnists Unite! We'll lock these anti-freedom traitors in the federal detention centers and torch those too. Chicago riots will look like kindergarten...

Posted by: fuck you at February 27, 2006 10:19 PM


they will use it on us some day. the world is going to hell in a hand-basket.

Posted by: red+white+blue= US at February 14, 2006 01:28 PM


People need to get informed. Read "Microwave Mind Control" by Dr. Rauni Kilde on Google search engine. Also, multi-stalkersforum.org

Microwave and other active denial direct energy weapons are being used on innocent civilians. Voice-to-skull technology exists. These type sinister weapons are being used covertly to tear apart the brain, body, relationships, and lives.

Everything is denied, "active denial weapons", and some corrupt police, fire, rescue, doctors, and people from all backgrounds often participate using a technique called "gang stalking" or "mob stalking" or "multi-stalking".Domestic terrorists, or patriots, depending on your beliefs, have formed a domestic terrorist group nationwide, coast to coast, even in your town likely. Besides these "soft-kill" weapons, they use moving foot and vehicular surveillance techniques. Invariably, the weapons and mob stalking cause illness and eventual death over time, all which is explained away by authorities as being plausible physical and mental illness for the set of symptoms. The hi-tech weapons, Microwave and Electro-magnetic do cause cancer, stroke, organ failure, etc.

Posted by: Ajax at February 3, 2006 05:35 PM


Correction,in my last post i said Korea and Vietnam
fit the context of the discussion.that is incorrect,
i meant to say that they did not.Just in case any
one had plans on giving any further remedial aid.

Not that i require any, mind you,as im sure you may
have noted,im not easily swayed by free thinking
liberal(whoa..what an oximoron that is)revisionism.

Pays to know one has no worries about microwave radiation torture,one can sleep better at night.

Pain ray rules.

Posted by: KATSESAMA at December 27, 2005 09:12 AM


Ahhh,the streets are running red with the cool-aid
of liberal untruth.

So so sorry to offend you with grammatical errors,
that however was my zeal getting the better of me.
Rushing things as i did to stay ahead of all this
cool-aid tinged vitriole im hearing.

The thing im not hearing here gentleladies is a
better idea.Instead,im hearing a lot,and i meen
a LOT,of talk about this technology being turned
on disenting u.s. citizens.We are a lot more
civilized then your fanciful dreams of republican
dictatorship would otherwise mislead others into
believing.

Were such a thing to occur however,i assure you.
That enogth of the population in general would
rise up and put a halt to it.Irrespective of what
administration happens to be in power at the time.
Unlike other countries on this earth whom cannot
seem to throw off real strong arm dictators,that
we the u.s.a. have to come in and do it for them.

Just on a historical note,those would be germany,
japan,panama,haiti,bosnia,and now currently,Iraq.
I did not include Korea or Vietnam,as they are
police actions and do fit the context of the
discussion.

Now...oh left leening seekers of spin doctored
truth...excactly how many other countries on this
planet,aside from our blessed friends,great britain.Have even attempted to quell unchecked,
dictatorial aggression?How many others have bothered to sacrifice so much,so that others might
know what real freedom is?Hmmm.Surely are friends
the former communist oligarchy of russia and the
neo-socialist french right?

Last i remember,we,the representitive republic,
not dictator-state,u.s. came in and liberated the french and gave aid to russia through lend-lease,
to help shake off nazi aggression.

Hmmm,yep...sounds like a republican dictatorship
hell bent to go 'round microwaving its citizenry
like so mush unsuspecting tv dinners to me.

Sorry,i can't buy into your emotional conspiracy
theories.Next thing we will hear im sure is that
george bush has a mind control sattelite circling
the earth beaming down rays of conservative
propaganda into our unsuspecting brains?right.

You tools for the dmc,so berserk with frustration
that your party isn't in power and that both your
boys gore and kerry got served by the "DUBYA".
It like watching,or in this case listening,to a
slow motion train wreck in progress.The Liberal
express bound for its next stop...Defeat.

mabye you will have better luck with hillary in
'08.That is,if condi has anything to say about it.
So keep that candle in the window hippies,and sip
your cool-aid and dream.

OH...by the way....PAIN RAY RULES!!!GIGADEE!!
GIGADEE!!GIGADEE!!!

Posted by: katsesama at December 27, 2005 08:55 AM


What better demonstration of American foreign policy than to inflict mass pain and panic in a country they are presently occupying. Feel proud America, there's nothing like inflicting pain and suffering on a scale only the United States is capable off, to make you feel patriotic. I hasten to point out that the US is still the only country in the world to have used a nuclear weapon in combat.

However on a more delectable note katsesama should study the English language a little more thoroughly. He has problems with punctuation, spelling and proper application of grammatical rules, thusly making his argument appear as idiotic as the ideas he is attempting to convey.

Posted by: k0rs0 at December 27, 2005 05:45 AM


Jeez. Katsesama, you are such a dork. Are you going to cheer "Go Pain Ray, GO!" when you are the target of the microwave remote cooker? I can just hear your "Whoo -Hoo" - ing.... Do you really, actually think (if possible) that this is a good thing? That this won't be brought home at some point? And to Brandon , who seems to think this only something for the "liberals" to complain about?
C'mon, start thinking!

Posted by: Russ at December 27, 2005 03:22 AM


Who flew two planes into the World Trade Center?

Well, that would be the Saudis?

Who did Bush attack?

Oh, well that would be the Iraqis.

It's as if after Pearl Harbor the US decided to attack Mexico.

Furthermore, these weapons built by Raytheon and Humvee will be used against Americans who dissent.

Today the dissenters may be liberals.

Tomorrow it may be Christian fundamentalists.

What goes around comes around.

You pay for war, you get war.

You pay for education and the welfare of the people, and you get an educated and healthy people.

You pay to kill people in the way of oil fields so that you can drive your Humvee, then you get generations of angry people looking for revenge.


Posted by: Warisover at December 25, 2005 04:48 PM


katsesama, you are a complete, arrogant jackass. grow up. get your tongue out of bush's arse and wake the fu¢k up.

Posted by: FW at December 25, 2005 03:00 PM


It was during one of my divorces that i met a truly wise judge. After listening to a disgruntled wife talk about the failings of her future ex a disgusted look appeared on the face of the judge. Then he looked up to say. I believe you when you say he's a liar. I believe it when you say he stole from you and cheated on you.
I believe everything you say about him is true.
But he didn't just start to lie.He was a liar when you met him. He was a thief when you met him.
He was a cheater when you cheated with him. You have a problem when he does those things to you! Let me tell you something , the judge went on, A thief will steal, A liar will lie, and a cheater will cheat. He doesn't care who he does it to.

There will come a time when everything we cheer about doing to the Iraquis, this government will do to us. Because they have the capacity and the will and because insensitivity is just that.
They will tap our phones and spy on us. They will stop protest and civil unrest with these new weapons. And they will say it's for our own good.
You see freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. There is not one without the other. Once we give up the responsibility for our government we give up our freedom.

Posted by: DIVORCED at December 25, 2005 11:41 AM


It needs to be much smaller. It is way to big and intimidating to shoot at our kids when the home team wins.

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ahh once more unto the breach,dear friends,let me
do this once again.
terrorists,as in the ones who A:rammed planes into
2,count 'em 2 fully occupied CIVILIAN bussiness
structures,brought this unwanted fight to OUR,read
you're countrys,doorstep.totally unwarrented,and
don't you dare equivicate that its our foriegn policy that made them do it,our foriegn policy?,to
what?,establish bussiness relations with their,yes
their,governments,to come in at the behest and out
and out welcome of said government to help them,yes,them set up their own oil drilling
capacity which they,not us,manage.and ultimately
sell us,read you,the american citizen,the refined
product we use in our vehicles every day.these
self-same backwards little children,who over
fantasize about a heroic struggle against foriegn
invaders who dare to set foot on their most sacred
soil fail,time and again,to realize that it is they,not us,who invited us to build their,not our,
capability to make money and prosper?!!.now having
heard this,lets stop and ponder for a moment,shall
we.what concievable right,real or imagined do the
peoples of fundamentalist islam,have to claim that
we,the western powers,are somehow oppressing them
because of ourBUSSINESS ties to THEIR governments!
wake up!and smell the childish,arab hipocrise of
the whole situation before you"learnid"elitists
start pointing your,e disenting fingers at western
culture.they don,t want to tolerate ANYBODY!!!.
THEY WANT TO FEEL FREE TO HATE AND DESTROY, DESTROY
ANYONE THAT DOESN,T FIT THEIR VIEW OF A PAN-ISLAM
DICTATOR WORLD.the very thing you accuse us of,is
the thing these backwords tenth century cavemen
have been preaching,and practicing for centurys!!!
mabye if you so smarter then everyone else berkley
grads actually spent some time getting to knoe how
your.e friends the jihadists think,mabye your'e
opinion of them wouldn't be so damn high!i guess
would enjoy the idea of forcing our countries
woman to hide beneath sheets because you feel so
sexually inadequate in their presence,or forcethem to walk ten paces behind you because your'e a man
and their inadequate to you because of that fact?!
if thats the kind of lifestyle you aspire to,then
go ahead and live with your'e socially superior friends the jihadists,i,m sure they'll welcome you
with open arms?that is,if they don't send a 7.62 x
39mm round crashing through your'e open minded,
morally superior,liberal,free thinking brain
because....your'e not an ARAB.stop thinking you
can erase the fact that they won't change from
several centuries worth of culteral shauvanism,
and understand the only,only way to deal with their,yes THEIR,culteral stupidity,is to force them into the 21st century!they think they can have it the way their ancestors did centuries before!
everyone else grew up and past the good peoples of the middle east by,a long,LONG time ago.its well
past time that they,not us,catch up.and no
amount of commuter plane bombing is going to make
us magicly turn back the clock to the days of
ottoman glory.we have strived too far,too fast,to
let someone,envious of our accomplishment,force
us into terror-inspired guilt,to give it all up,
so they can feel as though they have achieved some
form of developemental parody.sorry,but in the game of life there are winners and there are losers.and its high time the death cult loving
islamofascists got over the fact that they got it handed to them by the western cultures.mabye if they spent less time buikding bomb belts and
indoctrinating impressionable young boys into
religion inspired hate mongering,and more time
developing their minds into more productive persuits,they wouldn't need for us to be develop-
ing pain inducing micro-millimeter wave energy
devices to keep them in check.it would also solve
one other problem as well.having to hear the
linguini-spined,apologist retoric of you people on
the left,who seem to love these terrorists more then your'e own birth nation!if you have a better idea,put it out there!chances are you don't.you'll
just fall back on the same old,bush is bad,western
civilization is evil shtick....boring...come up
with some really innovative material,because all you ever seem to do is wail like spoiled little
toddlers,oh...as i end this,one final word........
PAIN RAY RULES!!!WHOOOOOOO!!!WHOOOOO!!!!WHOOOOO!!!

Posted by: katsesama at December 24, 2005 11:21 PM


I think that the usa needs to start putting forth as much effort into saving and organizing their own society. I mean lets be honest here...who is free to do what they want here? I will say who people who are rich and those who are immoral. No one can go by unscathed in this country if they are living their own lives or being conservative , or minding their own problems.The majority of people in this country are just scratching to pay bills and care for their loved ones. so many people are not being helped....I know what people say about welfare abusers nevermind that for a minute..so many people need more a whole lot more to get on their feet, stay healthy etc. why waste good money on people that dont want any help when we have people here who kill themselves, or cry every day for some help in their lives? Why are murderers , molesters,rapists,abusers allowed to roam free? They are terrorists too they prey on the women and children in this country! No one is hunting them down hell no they can just walk free. How about ending the KKK and other racist organizations that dont fit in with Constitutional rights or human rights or civil rights they are terrorists too! Why sjould anyone feel threatened by someone different in this country? We are all different, this country is not just 1 religion or 1 race. Everybody came form immigrants at 1 point in time that are in this country and shouldnt forget that fact. Where is the relief , where is the helping hand, where is the humanity in this country what has happened to decency and morality? are having honesty and family values old fashioned? did helping your fellow american go out of style? Please people I am heartfully requesting that you examine these truths regardless of your status , religion or race those topics are really so cliche ....How about people just focus on matters close to home?

Posted by: not important at December 24, 2005 07:02 PM


Can you point this thing at the whole republican US House of Rep and tell them to hit the road.

Posted by: Ed Superpower at December 24, 2005 03:56 PM


Iraq is the training ground for the upcoming civil unrest in the United States. You may scoff, but the check is in the mail. Just take a look around. So many want to believe in the manevolence of the Bush Administration... but it doesn't exist. They are out for profit and power.

Loss of energy entails acts of aggression.

Posted by: CaMBoB at December 24, 2005 01:50 PM


Would wearing foil armor be an effective defense against the pain ray? Additionally, does anyone know if a hemmorhoid ray is being researched?

Posted by: Duck at December 24, 2005 01:47 PM


Two questions:
1. Does this thing make peoples' eyeballs explode?
2. How much animal testing has been involved in developing this thing?

Posted by: NB at December 24, 2005 01:32 PM


How pleasant!

Bombarding people with high energy microwave to "cook " them. If they tell us this is "harmless" they are just full of SHIT.

Did the people who came up with this idea get it from tossing their poodles in the microwave? How do you sleep at night knowing that you have created a new weapon to put people into excruating pain.

At what point in our existance as a country did we decide that it was just fine torture peole en mass?

Maybe the question we should be asking ourselves is that how did our country get get to this point?

Posted by: bigmike601 at December 24, 2005 12:59 PM


Well, this is interesting. Who are they going to give this technology to? The pro-Iranian government in Bagdad?

Posted by: Bush Bites at December 24, 2005 03:56 AM


oh come now everybody,all this talk of evil,all
encompassing empirial america is not just childish,
and i must say,boring as all get out.just because
the magnificiant engineeres of ratheon have concoct-
ed a better mouse-trap,doe's not a right-wing
conspiracy of totalitarian conquest make!lets be a
little more adult here and not let bleeding heart
leftist overemotionality blot out calm,cool rational
thoght.lets leave the wailing,quick to anger,angst-
ridden tantrums remain where they squarely belong.in
the morally redarded,culterally unadvanced,theologicly overzealous mindset of the
islamofascists.bickering amongst ourselves only
plays into there hands,gentleman,i assure you.in
there web posts,they don't bandy about the methods
they use to bring us harm,trust me,their not the
least bit worried wether their methods of
intimidation are humane or morally objectionable,
all they care about are how many they can kill,in
the least amount of time in order to achieve their
goals,which are far from lofty i'll safely wager.
so in my estimation,these seemingly innocent,simple,peace loving people as you on the
left would call them,deserve every microwave
emitted ounce of angony we can muster for daring to think their damndable barbaric little-minded,
mysoginistic vision of the world will ever,read
EVER,come to fruition.thank god we have military
scientists out there coming up with this stuff to
keep the real monsters of the world at bay.and i
for one will sleep soundly and well,knowing i will
never have to worry about wether islamafascists
will get their way,so go ahead you snivling,weak,
feckless,quibbling,coward liberal equivicators and
appeasers,wring you're rotten hands and bleat like
the sheep you so brazenly are.pain-ray is the way,
so deal with it.thus endeth the lesson.

Posted by: katsesama at December 24, 2005 02:34 AM


Crowd control? What crowd? There are no crowds in Iraq. There are insurgents, suizide bombers and maybe even "real" terrorists. But i can't remember any reports of large demonstrations or crowds gone wild.

Media reports indicate that Iraq has become a training ground for terrorists. Obviosly it has also become a testing ground for new weapons and tactics, like torture.

"If i can make it there i make it everywhere, it't up to you New York, New York" (Frank Sinatra)...

Posted by: Martin at December 23, 2005 09:27 PM


Sorry,

I had no idea I had stumbled onto an overflow blog of MoveOn.org. I posted once -- one time too often. No need to respond. I'm gone. Enjoy mindless ranting to each other. It sure is popular on MoveOn.org. I will say I was impressed by the massive aid provided by Al Qaeda to the suffering caused by the recent earthquake in Pakistan and the tsunami of last December. How they managed to come up with all those U.S. military uniforms to wear on such short notice had to be a logistical nightmare.

Posted by: Incredulous at December 23, 2005 09:27 PM


Another thought to all the proud mercenaries out there - You may want to rethink your career choice, since Halliburton and Blackwater started hiring former death squadders from Columbia and Nicaragua to send to Iraq, your future doesn't look quite as bright. These guys will work for food just so they can kill. You may have to get a real job when you get out.

Posted by: RonC at December 23, 2005 07:24 PM


God you murdering mercenaries and right wing idiots are sick. Maybe when the Iraqi "insurgents" defending their country from our mercenaries start writing "Wolverines" on the vehicles they blow up, you idiots will undrestand. You are not defending the USA, uou are murdering people in their own country where we have no right to be. And to the idiot who wants to line our borders with death rays, it would be much easier just to start enforcing the law and fining all the Republicans who hire them illegally.

Posted by: RonC at December 23, 2005 07:19 PM


Knowing the insurgents in Iraq--cunning, fearless and very, very dangerous--they'll probably nab one of these crypto-nazi American weapons and turn it on our troops. Or maybe they'll wait until twisted Cheney or his midget evil mongrel brother Rummy "sneak" into Baghdad to have a circle jerk with the bozo head of U.S. forces. Now wouldn't that heat things up.

Posted by: rightwingbasher at December 23, 2005 02:18 PM


i've come to understand our world has pain, along with pleasure and other good stuff, because it causes us to make change / choices when other means don't. if americans use such a pain ray on ourselves or others, it will cause more of us to change our minds and choose actions that will stop the pain. sort of like hitting rock bottom before choosing to stop drinking, for example. thank you all for caring and sharing your voices, i especially appreciated the following: "I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. What I can do, will be done."

Posted by: chico at December 23, 2005 01:41 PM


This is the modern equivalent of pouring boiling oil on people. It is nice to see the human race has progressed so well since the middle ages.

Posted by: dc at December 23, 2005 12:39 PM


I would be curious to know what country has been in more wars and invaded more countries since 1950. Sad to say, I suspect it would be the US. We have turned into a monster.

And now we add one more black, ugly monster weapon to our arsenal. I just if it will be used more overseas or in the US.

The greatest danger to most countries is usually its own government.

Posted by: Jagger at December 23, 2005 11:56 AM


Yey! Now we can torture lots of brown people all at once. It's that good 'ole 'Merkin efficiency at work. FSM bless America!

Posted by: knucklesplitter at December 23, 2005 11:38 AM


Hey Dan, nice thoughts right before Christmas. I am sure baby Jesus would approve. You want to fry the Iraqi people down to a cinder (2000lb JDAMS don't descriminate between johnny-jihad and children which I am sure you know). You know 300,000+ americans sacrificed their lives fighting a guy with similar beliefs just 60 years ago. That war has been rightly celebrated as the pinnacle of US power and morality. I am sorry you do not agree.

Posted by: Chris at December 23, 2005 09:41 AM


Remember, folks, Raytheon's international headquarters are in Waltham, Massachusetts.

Posted by: Ernie Spoon at December 23, 2005 09:35 AM


What sicko invented this thing? Use it on him, then throw it away. What a bunch of godless animals we've turned into.

Posted by: Bonnie at December 23, 2005 08:34 AM


u know screw all the 'humane' bull-poop and just nuke every last johnny-jihad down to a cinder.

Posted by: Dan at December 23, 2005 08:07 AM


Just wait till they use it on us here in the US.

Posted by: Serena at December 23, 2005 06:14 AM


According to an Iraqi officer, this microwave had already been use in Iraq on a busload of people. The operator must have been new because all the people were nuked down to the size of basketballs.

Posted by: William at December 23, 2005 02:32 AM


>>I guess that would be me, along with those Americans who are not tolerant of the ideas and behaviors of others when those ideas and behaviors are inconsistent with who we are as Americans. It's easy to be tolerant... just follow a relative notion of what's right or wrong, stand for nothing and accept anything and you're tolerant. You keep liberal, and I'll take eithical: "Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession. See Synonyms at moral."

Then you sir are no better than your enemy. Ethics are entirely subjective. One man's right is another's wrong, and you'll never step above it until you realise that. By mindlessly following your own right and wrong and refusing to consider other's points of view then you show yourself to be no better than they are and I pity you for it.

You keep "ethical" I'll keep liveral. At least there's only one version of liberal.

Posted by: Gz at December 23, 2005 02:06 AM


Okay, John-John. You and Popeye go defend yourself with your bare arms.

Education is the most powerful weapon you can use to change the world. Shame there's a shortage.

Posted by: Howard Sux at December 23, 2005 02:05 AM


all the political ranting aside,i must say i'm
rather tickled at the prospect of turning ol johnny
jihad into a running,screaming,human hot-pocket!!
compared to the rather sick and barbarously archaic
methods they use for intimidating us"infidels"(read
beheadings,corpes mutilations,public display and
desicration of said corpes)this wonderful new high
tech whizbang is positively humane by comparison.i
would think our esteemed colleagues on the left would applaud such a humane way of negiating conflict,or would they rather we just just stick to
the more time honored tradition of firing copper
jacketed lead projectiles into the fetid,deceased
viscera of our loving "friends",the jihadists?
either approach works for me,it will keep these
developementally retarded,culturally and socially
stunted barbarians at bay,perhaps long enogth that
perhaps one day the rather radical thought might dawn on them that they have been going on about
this all wrong from the beginning.time to throw
away the dreams of a new ottaman empire,the days
of caliphate,robber bandit clans,bribing western
cultures into giving up their riches through
coercsion now a thing of the past,all thanks to
pain ray 2000(god,why did that sound like a cheap
stain removal commercial....oh..because it is a
stain removal commercial..the stain of islamic
fundamentalism!!!)ahhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
...so sorry got a little carried away there,in
short,pain ray rules,turn up the heat!!!oohrahh!!

Posted by: katsesama at December 23, 2005 01:46 AM


When I ponder the actual utility of a "heat-ray" crowd control device in a shooting war, against enemy insurgents as we know them in Iraq--snipers, roving kidnappers, hit and run ambushers, and late-night planters of shaped-charge Improvised Explosive Devices, I am forced to conclude that it has none. If it works, of course, it could be useful against large gatherings of angry but disorganized citizens--which suggests it's not about winning a war and liberating a people at all, but about quelling outbursts of popular enthusiasm for the notion of our packing our bags and leaving their country.

But mostly, I believe the machine is off to Iraq to be tested on live humans; and that its ultimate utility thereafter may lie much, much closer to home. The polls haven't been looking good lately--and nothing our current leaders have done suggests that they're ready to leave office peacefully just because the citizenry is taking to the streets.

Posted by: Rob at December 23, 2005 12:47 AM


hey, it don't shoot bullets, and it don't kill people, quit your belly aching....hey Rummy, where can this patriotic civilian get one for private use, seeing that the Constitution says i have the right to bare arms to defend myself.

Posted by: John-John at December 23, 2005 12:34 AM


To all the Cons and repugs. History lesson!! The British were in Iraq before WWII, and left with their tails between their legs. They lost nearly 25,00 men over 20 years fighting with the Sultans of Baghdad. Ever hear of Lawrence of Arabia. That’s why they don't want anything to do with Baghdad. George the First screwed the pooch on and with the Shia to the south around Basra. What makes you think they will ever like or respect us. Iraq was a country created out of the Ottoman Empire. The Sunni, Shia and Kurds, with a few Christians and Jews have been fighting in that area since before the Roman Legions. We are targets, Infidels in the land of Mohammed.

Now you go and deploy a weapon creates pain by Microwave. The Klingons and Romulans called them disruptors. (Star Trek fan) What makes you think that this will deter them? As one the posters above who mentioned Northern Ireland it was a religious war there for over 100 years. They stopped fighting when the women of both groups said enough. But I digress, this weapon of terror, deployed on the unsuspecting will have a devastating effect. Yes it will cause fear. But after fear comes hatred. See some of your post about killing Moslems. You don't get a willing populace to coalface around your message by intimidation. It seldom works for long; remember "Shock and Awe"

And for the record, 15 of the 17 Hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. None and I mean none were Iraqi. All you repugs would react the same way, if someone occupied or attacked the US. Not Iraq, but Osama bin forgotten, a Saudi.

Posted by: abigbman at December 23, 2005 12:17 AM


Freedom?? It's only an illusion in America ... so sad but true.
This quote really says it all...
"The illusion of freedomwill continue as long as it's PROFITABLE to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains,they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater" --- Frank Zappa

Posted by: Texas Jim at December 23, 2005 12:08 AM


Freedom?? It's only an illusion in America ... so sad but true.
This quote really says it all...
"The illusion of freedomwill continue as long as it's PROFITABLE to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains,they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater" --- Frank Zappa

Posted by: Texas Jim at December 23, 2005 12:02 AM


I guess we will get a chance to find out if microwaves cause skin cancer after all. A few years from now someone in a movie about the Gulf Wars will say "I just love the smell of roast pork in the morning."

Posted by: me at December 22, 2005 11:31 PM


It's so wonderful to know my tax dollars go towards developing sick new weapons, and that there're always enough morons around to rationalize it--and eternal escalation. Too bad we can't just ship them and the terrorists all to Planet Sicko and let em kill each other off. *That* we could call Intelligent Design.

Posted by: Steve at December 22, 2005 10:42 PM


just wear alot of tin foil. or carry a big mirror...

Posted by: bcory at December 22, 2005 10:14 PM


Won't be long before over-zealous operators point that thing a little too long at someone and fry them to a crisp.. Just like when cops get carried away and shoot people in the face with rubber bullets. "non-lethal" is a subjective term, Just turn the knob to 10 on that thing and see what happens.......

Posted by: AnimalMother at December 22, 2005 08:50 PM


yeah, I'm sure now that the terrorists have seen a pic of the ADS its all over for us "over there"! BETTER YET why does the US government tell us anything??? I mean hey, why not fight a completely secret war, not tell the american people, the terrorists will be completely in the dark, BAM instant Democracy and freedom for the entire world. Be sure to accept that word "freedom" right out of the mouths of our allustrious leaders; because if you stop to think about it for two seconds and you have half a brain in your head you'll soon realize that "freedom" only means that we have it a little better than those that we shoot, microwave, and bomb at random!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA! Did you know John Kerry and George W Bush are cousins? That both of their bloodlines originate from the House of Windsor. Did you know they are both cousins of Queen Elizabeth. Does the main stream media (be it liberal or conservative) tell you that both the candidates were in the same secret society at Yale called the Skull and Bones? What a freakin coincidence! If you buy into either one of these ideologies you are trapped in a prison of the mind. BREAK OUT OF IT NOW! The Earth (which is our birthright), the human race, and our world are all teetering on the edge of ruination and enslavement. Liberal vs. Conservative, Republican vs. Democrat, Coke vs. Pepsi, McDonalds vs. Burger King, Chevy vs. Ford. Guys break out of the either or Spell that has been cast upon the human race. Engage that mass of gray matter that god injected into your skull and USE IT!!! Stop adhering to an either or belief system and START THINKING FOR YOURSELF!!!
Bless you all and HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

Posted by: Alvin York at December 22, 2005 08:21 PM


Look for this to be installed on street corners in Anytown, USA- Annie, gitcher gun...

Posted by: Morgan at December 22, 2005 07:10 PM


probably tested on animals

Posted by: becca at December 22, 2005 06:30 PM


"I find it interesting that 'liberal' has become some sort of slur for Americans. From dictionary.com... 2 - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. What human being can wish to not subscribe to that? What American can deny that without being a hypocrite?"

-- I guess that would be me, along with those Americans who are not tolerant of the ideas and behaviors of others when those ideas and behaviors are inconsistent with who we are as Americans. It's easy to be tolerant... just follow a relative notion of what's right or wrong, stand for nothing and accept anything and you're tolerant. You keep liberal, and I'll take eithical: "Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession. See Synonyms at moral."


Posted by: jbulger at December 22, 2005 05:42 PM


This new weapon looks like it'll take all the "fun" out of fundamentalism. One of my Marine friends who just returned from his 2nd combat tour in Iraq said.... They want to die and we want to kill em. It's as simple as that." Oooooorah!

Posted by: Tom at December 22, 2005 05:39 PM


I'm sorry to see a photo of this new device posted on the web - now the terrorist know what their new target looks like. Thanks guys.

Posted by: wondering at December 22, 2005 02:24 PM


That's a great news. Do you remember when Guardsmen had to shoot anti Vietnam protesters?
Now anti Iraq protesters will be dispersed without any colateral damage. The same appiles to unruly rap concert goers.

Posted by: Lincoln at December 22, 2005 12:14 PM


I find it interesting that "liberal" has become some sort of slur for Americans. From dictionary.com:

1 - Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

2 - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded

What human being can wish to not subscribe to that? What American can deny that without being a hypocrite?

Aside from that I have this to say. In terms of this new weapon it is completely irrelevant if you agree with the war in Iraq or not, or even if you believe it will be turned against Americans. The point is, that this weapon will be used as a substitute for A, guns B, tear gas C, water cannons.

If I was a protester, and the police/military decided to use force, I'd much prefer to be hit with a relatively harmless pain ray than choked with tear gas, or shot, or tossed around by a water stream with hundreds of pounds of force.

And to balance the evil terrorists vs lets all get along ideas:

There are people who want to destroy the West for fanatical religious reasons.

There are people who want to destroy the West for very valid political reasons.

If we are careful and considerate we can come to peace with the second group. But fundamentalist Islam cannot be reasoned with, Infidels must be destroyed.

The idotic error that the American government has been making for decades is to punish both groups (and complete innocents) for the behaviour of the fundamentalists, and so their ranks swell with people who feel they have no option left but to die trying to overthrow the tyranical West.

Posted by: Gz at December 22, 2005 11:10 AM


Banfiadh, You might actually sound intellectual, if you would have used spell check in your post. Step down off the stump, write your post in word, spell check it, then copy and paste. It's great the tools that even idots can use, too bad you chose not to. IDIOT

Posted by: Sailor at December 22, 2005 10:59 AM


Non-lethal crowd control? Go for it! Having been trained in crowd control for the military,I think that being uncomfortable beats being beaten, chewed on by dogs, a riot gas shower or shot any time.As for those who don't like the idea, I wonder how many have been in the military or lost loved ones in war or a terrorist attack?

Posted by: CJ at December 22, 2005 10:53 AM


For all you libs out there. Would you rather we shoot them? If a crowd is peaceful, nothing will happen. If not, isnt it better to send them running with a stinger instead of burrying them?

Oh yeh, you are the same folks that say, we shouldn't defend ourselves against a carjacker with a gun or pepper spray. I guess i should just let them take it. It is my fault for being a white, middle income, conservative, law abiding, tax paying, legal citizen, christian.

You say we deserve it because we have always interfered in thier lives. Wow, that makes it ok to homicide bomb, but we cant use non-leathel weapons. I see the logic. sorry, my bad.

Posted by: david at December 22, 2005 10:42 AM


This crowd control device is being sent to Iraq for on the job testing before being deployed on the main streets of America.

WAKE UP AMERICA !!

When called upon to do so, Our troops are more likely to go along with the use of this device to control American citizens then traditional means.When called upon by the NWO in the next staged "National Emergency"( "Avian Flu epidemic" )our troops will obey orders and round you up like cattle thinking they are saving the country, when in fact they will be helping in it's overthrow.

Bush becoming President is like running a race in the Special Olympics, even if you win your still a Retard.

"I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.What I can do, Will be done “

Posted by: K. Kessell at December 22, 2005 10:36 AM


Thanks, Gary. By the way, do you still believe you're being poisoned in ways that doctors can't discover yet? Or have the doctors started telling you they think your beliefs are a little bizarre?

Posted by: Howard Sux at December 22, 2005 09:56 AM


I cant believe the naievety and ignorance of You, Raven. It just shows that the republican propaganda machine has found easy root in your shallow mind.
Perhaps one should invest some time into studying history, particularly history not promoted by the great Bushitimoto.
The middle east despises europeans and Americans for long meddling in, and trying to control their affairs.
Point of fact, plain and simple.
Being in "control" of the U.N. theyve neither had a fair hearing, or an equal voice in their own affairs.
Our country ahs flaws as great as aany other, and nasty little criminals in power, just like any ohter.
What you should bee doing, is rather than respouting rhetoric and propaganad, is digging for facts on your own accord.
I know this seems like a huge amount of work, and that youd rather be painting your fingernails while talking on your cell phone driving down a freeway,but well be better off in the long run if you continue to do so.
But for your own sake, you should really study some (real) history, as well as simple things like the constitution and bill of rights.
Irregardless, concervative estimates place the "collateral" damage to civilians in the 10s of thousands..all because of a few thousand american lives.
Evidence, evidence, facts, facts, and more facts have shown that IRAQ had nothing to do with it, and Neither did Saddam.
Is your thirst for revenge quenched yet, or do YOU have the sense to realize that were in the wrong country, killing the wrong people?
Probably not, you feel secure now, so you can turn you bubble brain off.
I hope Ive pissed you off now, because maybe youll use some of that juvenile angst to better your intellect, rather than stuff it wish G.W.B.S.

While I have nothing, absolutely nothing against the soldiers, I think its high time our government was taken to task for sacrificing them for a serious of lies, and quite likley treasonous affairs.
Any weapon that can help protect them, let em use it.

Posted by: Banfiadh at December 22, 2005 09:15 AM


We in England fought 'catholic' Terrorists' for hundreds of years, mostly they were funded by people in the USA.Maybe a few chickens have come home to roost? Things only changed when people began to talk. As Ganhdi said " an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Posted by: ian hayden at December 22, 2005 09:13 AM


I cannot believe the naivity of you pathetic liberals out there! You think that the evil and terrorism that is being brought against Americans is because we "somehow wronged" the terrorist with our "attitude". It is clear to me that none of you have ever been the victims of violence against you personally or you would be able to comprehend that there are twisted evil people who just love people who a willing to let them propagate there evil and then blame themselves because we must have done something to