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Posted by: Robert Staats at September 9, 2006 10:37 PM

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Second, Charles is dead-on. It's the M114 Hummer that's the pork feed-bucket. The problem is its FLAT bottom. That = mine-blast trap. In contrast, the South African RG-31 and Cougar/Buffalo variants have "V-Hulls" which as you might imagine deflect the blast off to the sides and away. Australia's Bushmaster patrol vehicles have this too, and the net effect is that they're way more survivable against mines.

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Posted by: Joe Katzman at February 9, 2006 10:50 PM

Bradley ain't a "patrol" vehicle any more than a tank. They probably use Humvees because:

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-Lighter, less maintainence intensive. Also ties into presence.

-The people can see you. They may be more receptive to interaction with the United States Army if they can walk up to the vehicle with a tip on insurgent hideouts than say, walking up to a thirty ton tank.

-Better situational awareness on a Humvee. I believe the new upgraded Bradleys removed the M231 firing port gun things, and extra armor would make it difficult for the people inside to react to threats from all sides. Additionally, the turret of Bradley makes it difficult to just put up a rear hatch and fight from the compartment (for the dismounts). Bradleys would have to...what's the word...well, every other gun points left or right for overwatch, that kind of stuff.

-Tanks intimidate the population and reinforce the perception of occupation. Again, they alienate us from them more than we already are.

Then again, the Humvee inspires courage for an insurgent attacker, since he can actually blow one up for a change...

Posted by: Charles at February 8, 2006 08:39 PM

If the infantry needs an armoured patrol vehicle, don't they already have the Bradley? Trying to turn a lightweight wheeled gp vehicle into an APC will result in a disaster which does the job of none of the above.

Now, I am not on the ground myself so I will not critize. I will observe that the British and the Iraqi police forces already compain that US forces spend too much time hunkered down/under armour, and not enough time talking to locals. Does something like this really help that situation?

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That and Iraq probably has zilch enviromental laws, and I believe the military is exempt from many enviromental laws here in the States, which would explain why every time a base shuts down millions are spent on "clean up".

Posted by: Charles at February 8, 2006 01:26 PM

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Posted by: Carl at February 8, 2006 09:35 AM

1) Humvee was not designed from ground up to resist IEDs. It was, first and foremost, a general purpose vehicle to replace the M151 jeep.

2) The South African vehicles were designed during apartheid era for counter-insurgency work, and design may have been assisted by Rhodesian expatriates who fled to SA when Mugabe came into power. They are expressly for booby-trap-land, and probably suffer a tradeoff elsewhere (other than price).

"It's only natural that U.S. Industry would line up at the ole' feed bucket"

Euh? The South African vehicles are unrelated to the "feed bucket". If anything, *M114* is representative of the "feed bucket", it being a domestic build, and a "expedient" response to a problem unanticipated by that "US Industry" of yours, with requisite cost overruns and bureaucratic delays.

Would you prefer to feed the "feed bucket" and wait for some sort of "Joint Forces Roadside Improvised Explosive Device Resistive Family of Vehicles"? How long until that's done? Some time after...FCS? :p

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Wow Byron, surely there are ways to prove that this vehicle is indeed better then the m1114.. Just a guess. Surely throwing around money that has and will surely save lifes is worth it?

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From the article:

"They've been blown up many times; one Buffalo is scorched from nose to waist from a massive IED blast. But no one has died."

If that doesn't show that they're more effective, I don't know what will.

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Interesting report David, but you omitted the most important partand that is are any of these vehicles working?

It's only natural that U.S. Industry would line up at the ole' feed bucket when the DoD is throwing money around like an intoxicated sailor but is anything here really any better then the up-armored M-1114?

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