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Air Force Aims for Weather Control

Someday the U.S. military could drive a trailer to a spot just beyond insurgent fighting and, within minutes, reconfigure part of the atmosphere, blocking an enemy's ability to receive satellite signals, even as U.S. troops are able to see into the area with radar.

sand_cloud.jpg"This scenario may not be far away," says Defense Tech pal Sharon Weinberger in this month's edition of the always-excellent Defense Technology International.

An engineer with Research Support Instruments in Princeton, N.J. recently completed the first phase of work for a U.S. Air Force sponsored project called Microwave Ionosphere Reconfiguration Ground based Emitter, or Mirage. (scroll down)

The work involves using plasma — an ionized gas — to reconfigure the ionosphere. Mirage would employ a microwave transmitter on the ground and a small rocket that shoots chaff into the air to produce about a liter of plasma at 60-100 km. (36- 60 mi.) in altitude, changing the number of electrons in a select area of the ionosphere to create a virtual barrier. Ionosphere reconfiguration offers two major applications of interest to the military: bouncing radars off the ionosphere, also known as over-the-horizon radar, and the ability to jam signals from the Global Positioning Satellite system, according to John Kline, the lead investigator for Mirage.

This work is only the latest effort in Kline's more extensive investigations of atmospheric plasmas… Before Mirage, Kline had another contract for a project called Plasma Point Defense, which explored the possibility of using a plasma weapon on board a U.S. Navy surface vessel to protect against threats ranging from surface-to-surface missiles to mortars and rocket-propelled grenades.

In the past, NASA's fringe science arm has looked into tweaking Mother Nature, to throw hurricanes off their course. But those were just computer simulations. No one actually tried to go out a build some weather control machine.


Guys this is another part of the new world order plan, John is right and we are all deeply submersed in a falsely imposed reality.

Take the freakin RED pill before it is too late.

Search google and you tube learn what the masons and illuminati have been manipulating for centuries. How they have controlled our laws, education and more importantly 2/3 of the worlds money. We are all living the existance they choose right now and their greatest strength is our ignorance.

I am neither religious or insane so just spend a few evenings learning. Oh and u gotta google the rothschild family history..i mean this guy "a Jew" pretty much masterminded anti-semticsm as we know it.

Peace out

Posted by: WakeUpCall at July 29, 2008 01:42 PM

Is a Space RRAPE deMon real?

Posted by: futamaputa at June 17, 2008 10:25 PM

How about trying to decrease the global warmth and try to live longer in mother planet?

Posted by: Prabath at October 8, 2007 06:00 AM

it will be ausome to use

Posted by: unowen at September 21, 2007 01:27 PM


Posted by: OMEGA 19 at April 18, 2006 11:26 PM

lie! the u. s. government is creating hurricans.
GOD's judgement is comming soon. so enjoy your fun man because your ruling the earth is cooming to an end soon.

Posted by: nope at March 21, 2006 10:33 PM

An inversion is a layer of the atmosphere warmer than those below it. Therefore a current of rising air, upon encountering an inversion, stops rising. A cumulonimbus cloud, otherwise known as a thunderstorm, becomes significantly weakened when the rising air currents associated with it are suppressed by a significant inversion.
If a microwave generator were to be aimed into the sky, a large segment of the atmosphere within its range would inevitably become warmed, thus an artificial inversion would likely form. This phenomenom would most probably be utilized as a way to greatly reduce the likelihood of severe convective weather, which may (and has on many occasions!) caused multi-million damage to DoD facilities.
I have reason to believe, based purely on deduction similar to what I have just explicated, that exactly such a base-protection system is not only operational but has already been in use for several years now.
Nothing sinister in such a thing in itself... until those pesky civilians become aware of such a system and demand that it be a mandatory nation-wide shield. The expense would be quite alarming...

Posted by: Wayne at March 8, 2006 09:04 PM

A few comments down, 'okie boy' posted a few points, and I will try to add to them.
The HAARP project (High Altitude Atmospheric Research) uses technology invented by Nikola Tesla. Basically, it is the opposite of a radio telescope: it SENDS radio waves to heat the ionosphere. At a higher frequency, these same waves can be bounced off the ionosphere as an Over-Horizon radar antenna. Raise the frequency a lot more and it is an over-horizon radio tower. The radio useage is already done with normal towers at night, known as "sporadic E-skip"...why you can pick up stations 500 miles away.
Also, UN signed a treaty banning nations from using weather as a weapon. If such a device was not already built, why would we need rules to regulate it? This technology has been around for many years. A small derivative is being brought out of secrecy here, just as the Air Force had the F-117 for quite a few years, in secret.
In a book called "Stealth Warplanes" by Doug Richardson, he tells us about a Russian aviation company with a "plasma emitter" that can act as a stealth device. Doesn't that sound like the article we read? This is known as a Tesla shielding device...used to deflect radar waves, solid objects (our article here), and move around storms.

Posted by: phantom63 at February 24, 2006 04:55 PM

As stated previously, I do not question that variations exist in solar output (above the ionosphere), in climate (on the level of the troposhpere), in geophysical processes or in human activity. The question lies in pursuing scientific methods to quantify the variations, and taking actions to nuture sustainability of our life support systems.

Everything from "soup to nuts" is available on the internet, in politics, and yes, even in scientific research. Thank goodness that we have the freedom to participate in debates, search for truth amongst the propoganda and disinformation (some of it federally funded), and arrive at intelligent conclusions.

An exerpt from an article in the Yankton (SD) Daily Press & Dakotan, January 21, 2006 presented the issue, based on research from a well-respected scientific institution at Boulder, CO, quite well:

"Dr. Susanne Moser, a research scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said human influence on climate change in general is certain.

'People have run the (climate) models with only natural factors - variations in sun and volcanoes, all that stuff - and they can replicate the climate up until about 1930 or 1940,' she said. 'Then they've run the models with only human inflows. In the beginning, that doesn't look good, but it gets better as you go, especially in the last few years.'

When both natural and human factors are combined, she said it's an almost perfect match.

'That tells you we're getting pretty good at understanding that humans have a difinite influence, and it's the dominant one beginning around 1950,' Moser said.

Still, some people believe climate change is a fluke or a cycle that will turn back, she said. And just this week, six former Environmental Protection Agency chiefs faulted the Bush administration for failing to take the lead in confronting global warming, calling it a 'dishonest' and 'self-destructive' approach.

'We're not in a cycle,' Moser said adamantly. 'We're definitely pushing the temperature and the averages of climate variables out of the range of variability that we've known.'"

Posted by: R Patocka at February 20, 2006 10:09 AM

Wikipedia, (notorious for having the largest collection of laughably erroneous data on the Internet), notwithstanding, perhaps you would do better to peruse some actual scientifically-oriented sites.

As an example, from the "National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration" site

"Several investigations have shown positive correlations of solar influences on climate change. The hydrological system is a major player in the weather system because 70% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. Dr. George Reid, senior NOAA scientist, examined the sea surface temperature record for the last 130 years and found an interesting correlation with the 11 year running mean sunspot number (Reid, 1987, 1991). Though not identical, the two time series have several features in common, including a prominent minimum during the early 1900s, a steep rise to maximum in the 1950s, a drop in the 1960s and early 1970s, and then a rise that continues to date. Sea surface temperature data are from the British Meteorological Office, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research. An updated improved version of these data will be provided soon and will reside in our ftp anonymous account under the GLOBAL_CHANGE subdirectory.

Drs. Eigil Friis-Christensen and K. Lassen, Danish Meteorological Institute, studied the length of the solar cycle as an indicator of solar activity closely associated with climate change (Friis-Christensen et al., 1991). They used the Northern Hemisphere land air temperature during the past 130 years and found a good correlation with the length of the solar cycle. While the temperature data do show the enhanced greenhouse effect due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere, it also shows a departure from this trend from 1940 to 1970. This occurs simultaneously with a decrease in solar activity as seen in the solar cycle length database."

From the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences" site

"Although the processes of climate change are not completely understood, an important causal candidate is variation in total solar output. Reported cycles in various climate-proxy data show a tendency to emulate a fundamental harmonic sequence of a basic solar-cycle length (11 years) multiplied by 2^N (where N equals a positive or negative integer). A simple additive model for total solar-output variations was developed by superimposing a progression of fundamental harmonic cycles with slightly increasing amplitudes. The timeline of the model was calibrated to the Pleistocene/Holocene boundary at 9,000 years before present. The calibrated model was compared with geophysical, archaeological, and historical evidence of warm or cold climates during the Holocene. The evidence of periods of several centuries of cooler climates worldwide called "little ice ages," similar to the period anno Domini (A.D.) 1280-1860 and reoccurring approximately every 1,300 years, corresponds well with fluctuations in modeled solar output. A more detailed examination of the climate sensitive history of the last 1,000 years further supports the model. Extrapolation of the model into the future suggests a gradual cooling during the next few centuries with intermittent minor warmups and a return to near little-ice-age conditions within the next 500 years. This cool period then may be followed approximately 1,500 years from now by a return to altithermal conditions similar to the previous Holocene Maximum."

There are many, many, oh so many others.

Frankly--sadly--"human caused global warming" being politically correct, it is easy for any hack to get funding on this issue, (and they do--in droves). Unfortunately, it is also very easy to get snubbed and shouted down if you try to point out any other means of weather variation. It's psychologically much easier to find deficiencies your own kind than the in sun.

And anyone would be frightfully naive to hand over this "debate"--or should I say, the welfare of mankind--to politicians. Or to Luke and Clem over in the holler. This issue is one purely of science. How tragic if it became one of "Okay, I'll get my fellow senators to fund your billion-dollar quantum-climatological-discombobulator, but only if it gets built in my district--I don't give doodly-squat about science."

Posted by: Talion at February 19, 2006 12:17 AM

From Wikipedia:

"The amount of solar radiation received at the outer surface of Earth's atmosphere does not change much (see solar constant) from an average value of 1366 W/mē.[1] The variations in total solar output are so slight (as a percentage of total output) that they remained at or below the threshold of detectability until the satellite era, although the small fraction in ultra-violet wavelengths varies by a few percent."

"Statistical studies of solar activity with weather and climate were particularly popular until the 1980s, when publications blossomed with studies of weather fronts and global meteorological patterns. Photos from space and weather satellites emphasized the importance of clouds and weather fronts. Climate studies and weather forecasting have been enhanced by increasing use of climate models, beginning with simple computer simulations and replacing "solar constant" values with more detailed solar variation as computing power increased and understanding of weather processes improves."

I do not question whether solar output or climate are variable. Neither do I question whether geophysical processes or human activity are variable.

The cosmic question is whether humans individually and collectively have the ability and capability to make intelligent, informed decisions to nurture sustainability of our life support systems.

Unfortunately, our political system has morphed into greed and "policy by the highest bidder" with diminishing concern for individual rights and the common good nobly espoused by our Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

When will national political leadership breathe life into the ideals for which so many have died, rather than perpetuate the cesspool of exploitation characterized by corruption, deception and today's addiction to petroleum and other natural resources?

When can our country expect to see genuine political debates over genuine issues rather than laundered, cosmetic sound bites and $entertainment$ regurgitated by corporate media?

Posted by: R. Patocka at February 18, 2006 09:23 AM

First, let me say the the title, "Air Force Aims for Weather Control" is pure, grossly misleading sensationalism.

A careful reading of the article reveals nothing in this project that can possibly affect the weather. What the project intends is a modification of the electrical properties of the "heavyside" layer; a charged portion of the ionosphere which commonly reflects radio signals of certain wavelengths and allows the penetration of other wavelengths. This ionospheric property is well-known to amateur radio operators, who make use of it for long-range communications.

Changing the electrical characteristics of a portion of this layer to modify the dispersion of radio waves over a localized area will have absolutely no effect on weather--"weather" occuring at much lower altitudes.

Secondly, no--the Van Allen belts were not "blown up" in 1958 or at any other time in history, with a nuclear bomb or by any other means. Anyone who believes that such an event would have gone unnoticed by the thousands of astronomers around the world who monitor the skies day and night with a vast array of instruments, is lacking some vital neuronal connections.

Thirdly, for those severely underinformed individuals who have inappropriately chosen to use this article as an excuse to rant on "human-caused global warming" let me say, in my capacity as an astrophysicist, that...ahem...THE SUN IS A VARIABLE STAR!

The radiative output of the sun is not now a constant, it never has been a constant, and it never will be a constant.

An appalingly slight change in the sun's radiative output has major consequences on Earth's weather and climate. Several years ago, the sun entered a cyclic "Solar Maximum", which should--so we thought--have declined soon after but still has not fully done so. Hence, more radiative "warmth" reaching the earth to create and power a multiplicity of hurricanes such as Katrina, melt glaciers, and change ocean currents along with any number of other effects.

Small changes in the sun's output--often in combination with geophysical and astrophysical quantities such as variations in Earth's magnetic flux--have been responsible for the frequent ice ages, as well as periods of enhanced warmth. A solar-caused "global-warming" was responsible for the Viking Age, during which the vikings colonized a portion of Greenland which they so-named because it truly was green and abundant, (contrary to the opinions of some historians). Centuries later, the vikings were faced with yet another change in the solar output: Greenland became so cold as to be uninhabitable for them.

Those who point to mankind as the prime mover and shaker in climatic change have no convincing empirical evidence to support their contentions. Indeed, all one need do is take simple measurements of solar radiation over time and chart the variations in solar output to see where the real problem lies.

Frankly, I would welcome a means of controlling the Earth's weather because of the sun's erratic behavior--not to mention catastrophic volcanic events such as Krakatau and Pinatubo--and I for one, have no desire to live on top of a mile-thick sheet of ice in Montana, or England, or Germany.

And there will, otherwise, be massive glaciation on Earth yet again whether mankind contributes to it or not. Long Island will once again be a tropical paradise whether or not mankind is still around. It's all just a matter of time--and simple physics.

Posted by: Talion at February 16, 2006 07:36 PM

In 1958 Van Allen belts were blown up with nuclear bombs. Reason? To increase the number of Van Allen increase the energy in the electrojet. Geophysical warfare is nothing new...storm can't be manufactured..they just add energy to make it worse. They can then manipulate jetstreams to change trajectory of a given storm. Geophysical warfare is nothing was used in Vietnam war. For instance...project Skyfire and project Stormfury...projects that created storms and tried to deplete the ozone layer over Vietnam. This tactic was used in conjunction with chemical agents etc...Because of these projects...A UN resolution/treaty states you can not use earths system as a warfare agent/modifier. However, this treaty is loosely worded.
In 1972 both projects skyfire and stormfury were cancelled...however, both were reactivated and refunded in 2003. The USA has no choice in the matter...we must use "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025", because if we don't our silent enemies will. Let's not forget that the notorious Japanese cult , "Aum Shinri Kyo", or Supreme Truth are rumored to have tried to acquire these (HAARP)like devices, and are rumored to be experimenting with them in the Australian outback and Southeast asia...I believe there is race by our enemies to acquire "scalar energy" devices...which will be used as tools of terrorism against this great country and our allies...I LOVE THIS COUNTRY...AND MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!GODS SPEED!!!!!! For more information visit and click on Rosalie Bertell...

Posted by: Okie Boy at February 15, 2006 01:53 AM

If you would like to see what is really going on, go here and read this patent;=HITOFF&d;=PALL&p;=1&u;=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r;=1&f;=G&l;=50&s1;=4,686,605.WKU.&OS;=PN/4,686,605&RS;=PN/4,686,605
The patent number is 4,686,605 . It is very technical, but near the bottom it explains in simple language the purpose of the patent - to control the weather, a missile shield, a way to stop communications. It is being implemented as we speak, and has been since the early 90's. If one would like proof, jut slook up - chemtrails. Just read the patent. Chemtrails and HAARP, spells it all out yet people still refuse to believe it. Now as they can read it with their own eyes. As Dylan says "they play with my world like it's their little toy"
Scariest part is they actually admit they are blwoing holes in the ionosphere. They admit this. The patent is for actually raising the ionosphere by up to 8 miles into space........these people are insane. They have no idea of the ramifications. PLEASE read the patent. Skip to the end if you wish where it says it's purpose

Posted by: the lost patriot at February 14, 2006 09:28 PM

This is pure insanity at its "finest".

People who come up with this stuff are very low energy people, IMHO. I wish they would expend just half of their energy to come up with ways to maintain peace in the world.

You create what you give value and thought to.
We are already having serious problems with global warming and other serious environmental concerns - and now these lunatics want to manipulate the atmosphere to help satisfy their addiction to war.

I can only hope that some devine intervention prevents these twisted thinking ideas from becoming reality.

Posted by: PeaceNow! at February 14, 2006 03:33 PM

To set the record straight. The Yugas of hindu lore refer to 'earth ages' not planets. And for the record, we are currently in the Kali Yuga and have been for quite a long time.

Posted by: Siddha at February 14, 2006 11:57 AM

The reason for not announcing it is due to religious beliefs it would cause the world to go into panic. It was discovered by NASA probes Pioneer 10 and 11 in 1983 and was announce on the Paul Harvey news cast as a possible 10th planet but when our government realized the implications of an incoming body which has its unique elliptical orbit around two suns.
(Our Sun has a dead twin). It has turned into a national security issue, our government knows and is afraid of panic. The whole story of planet X (Nibiru) one of many names for Planet X comes from ancient clay tablets 4000 BC describing a tenth planet and its life on it. They were called The Anunnaki which means in Summerian language they who came from heaven to Earth. The Summerian land is where IRAQ is now. Ancient Sumer was the first civilization on the planet (to date). It was ushered in by the Anunnaki, who taught the people music, the sciences, astronomy, languages (both spoken and written), mathematics, herbology, manipulation of the environment, hybridization of crops, genetic manipulation of livestock, religion, sexual promiscuity, war, mining for resources, jewelry-making, tailoring, blacksmithing, architecture, art, poetry, human sacrifice, and the whole gamut of "civilized behaviors." In fact, these events are not only outlined in the writings of the ancient sumerians, but also in the Bible, the pseudopigraphia of the Hebrews [1] and the ancient texts of the Hindu. The word NIBIRU means planet of crossing. It has a history or else I would take this as all BS. These Anunnaki were giants they were 8 to 10 feet tall. They used the inhabitants to dig for gold they needed for there atmosphere. I believe in UFOs and the possibility that these aliens was the cause of all religions. This is what our government is afraid of us finding out the real truth.
I have been studying Planet Xes history on and for four years now. Planet X orbits two suns about every 3657 years and is in our solar system now it is four times the size of Earth and it's mass = 23 Earths. Planet X has many names from most countries, the most common name is Nemesis. This is what's causing the Earth changes and disasters were seeing today. Our planet weighs nothing in space any magnetic disturbance will have disastrous affects on weather and tectonic plates and volcanoes. Planet X caused the Great Flood there was a pole shift that melted the poles. They said that this coming pole shift will be worst the Earth's outer crust not the oceans will rotate 90 degrees because the Earth will line up with Nemesis as it crosses our skies. The Bible calls Planet X (Wormwood). The Incas called Planet X (Hercolubus), The Babylonians called Planet X (Marduk), the ancient Hindu astronomers named Planet X Treta Yoga and the destruction it causes Kali Yoga. So it has a history which makes it real. Almost every time it comes into our solar system it affects the surface of every planet it crosses. It's coming in from our blind side (sun side). There seems to be a Government cover-up on this subject matter. WHY? Do they fear panic? We must warn people for survival reasons if theirs a fighting chance to survive we must take it.

Posted by: The Guardian at February 14, 2006 11:41 AM

Is it just me or is this the Americans developing technologies that are best used against them? I mean do the insurgents use GPS that much? I know that the yanks do. They did the same thing with biological warfare. It supposedly lets you kill people cheaply but the yanks were the richest country in the world at the time and were worried about the economically dysfunctional USSR.

Posted by: Michael Price at February 14, 2006 05:42 AM

concerning weather modification james McCanney @ is a russian scientist who helped develop weather modification science and machinery would love to tell you all about the airforce and weather he was there.

Posted by: John Bonnes at February 14, 2006 03:02 AM

Massive, bulging, pendulous props to erewhon and Robin for saying exactly what I was going to say.
As someone who followed HAARP for over a decade, not to mention the Russian Woodpecker and JORN, the sort of moonbattery stirred up by this sort of article is always a delight to read. It's my fond hope that some day an innocuous KC-10 posting will attract the chemtrail community and we can have a tinfoil party.

Posted by: TrustButVerify at February 13, 2006 12:37 PM

As an aside, "weatherwars" is a bunch of, you will excuse me, "bravo sierra", and if you get your ideas of what HAARP is from Begich et al you need to go floss your brain.

This device enhances the reflectivity of the ionosphere in the area. It's not "mad science". We've been looking at that forever. If you can excite the ionosphere over the interdict area you can cut off high frequency comms from passing through it, thus blocking the satcomm signals.

A similar trick lets you build plasma mirrors for OTH radar, although you couldn't do that with this particular gimmick.

However, it is possible to do. And Real Soon Now we'll be able to interdict satcomm in an area, or interdict SAR imagery from enemy orbital assets.

Posted by: erewhon at February 12, 2006 07:07 PM

Regarding the article on "Airforce Aims For Weather Control" If we don't do it someone else will. Go for it!!

Posted by: Robin at February 12, 2006 07:49 AM

Until the physics backfires and it magnify's the sun ray's and BURNS US ALL LIKE ANTS UNDER A MICROSCOPE!

Lol no idea, but would'nt it be best to not play with the atmosphere all that much.

I hate to think of the bad things it can do.

Posted by: jtw at February 11, 2006 09:02 PM

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Posted by: johnq at February 10, 2006 11:51 AM

If anyone wants to see more info on this reality, not someday, go to ....

after that if anyone wants to know the realtiy of the control grid the government is putting into place can request a copy of:

911 In Plane Site by Dave von Kleist

Painful Questions...Painful Deceptions by ERic Hufschmid

911 The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones

These are DVDs that are free of charge. My way of awakening people to the fraud of 911 and the pending attack by the us government on the American people.

Don't take my word for your own research if you have the time.

In the meantime go to google and type in Northwoods Document and see for yourself this declassified document that will hopefully make you aware of what this government is capapble of doing.

Also you can go to and order another free DVD from Jimmy Walters of Jimmy Walters Homes who is putting his money where his mouth is....

Wake up America....those who are willing to give up their freedom for security will lose both...Ben Franklin.

Posted by: John at February 10, 2006 09:31 AM

Sounds a LOT like a portable HAARP gun to me. Guess they found a way to shrink 10 acres into a mobile unit!

Posted by: Dave at February 9, 2006 11:08 PM

When they prefect this write mother and tell her to sell the out house. The the end is on the way.Or is this just a way to spend a tons of money. They do it by pour it in to a black hole Then say sorry it did not work Where have i heard this story before

Posted by: 14303127 at February 9, 2006 06:30 PM

How about plugging the hole in the ozone layer first.....

Posted by: nz1337 at February 9, 2006 05:16 PM

Sounds like a storm in a tea cup to me.

I wonder could they make Ireland a little warmer during the summer.

OWen - Dublin - Ireland

Posted by: Owen at February 9, 2006 03:57 PM

Al gore didn't invent the internet.. Chuck Norris did... along with inventing the fork.

Posted by: Dave at February 9, 2006 01:51 PM


Posted by: etrahxz at February 9, 2006 01:39 PM

Oh wonderful, not content with making their pilots fly off on their killing sprees while on drugs, some clever dick has the idea of modifying the weather as well. Join the US Air Force, get high, kill some innocents, and cause a storm.

Posted by: Voice at February 9, 2006 12:53 PM

Oh yea, I heard of this. Al Gore invented it right after he invented the Internet and that canned hair you spray on.

Posted by: strangeglove at February 9, 2006 11:55 AM

"At last! With the Weather Dominator, Cobra shall RULE THE WORLD!!"

We have a shortage of tank engines, & not enough rifles, but they wanna waste our tax omney on chickensh%t like this.

Posted by: bosda at February 9, 2006 11:10 AM

Yup, I can just see the US using this to destroy the world, maybe not intentionally, but one day they will let the president play with it and then it's all over.
The end is neigh!

Posted by: Jr at February 9, 2006 09:21 AM

This has actually been around for quite a while. HAARP in Alaska has been used extensively to test modification to various parts of the atmosphere.

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