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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Everybody is E.O.D.

A shortage of Explosive Ordnance Disposal experts in Iraq means that engineers and infantry often end up tackling Improvised Explosive Devices themselves.

marcbot.jpgNew equipment including tougher vehicles and simple ground robots make this possible, as I explain in an article in the April National Defense Magazine:

Armored vehicles originally designed to clear mines are used to sweep roads of bombs. Patrols travel inside the protective bubbles of sophisticated radio jammers that intercept the signals that detonate explosives. And engineers are refining the use of small ground robots to identify and destroy IEDs.

Read the entire article here.

-- David Axe

UPDATE 9:49 AM: Noah here. As you can imagine, the guys who spend a year training to become bomb squad technicians aren't exactly thrilled by the newbies who think they handle their jobs, just because of a few new toys. This isn't just a matter of guarding turf (although there is some of that, for sure). There's a pretty major safety issue involved here, too.

Quick example: a group of combat engineers near Baghdad were all fired up about their new, bomb-grabbing Buffalo armored vehicle, which they used to sift through roadside junk piles for IEDs. These guys would dig up an explosive with the Buffalo's spindly claw. And then, they'd be so proud of what they found, they'd want to snap a quick picture of their prize. So they'd use the claw to bring the bomb right up to the Buffalo's cab. And then, the IED would go off. A bad thing, of course. And the kind of thing that happens when folks aren't properly trained in bomb-handling.

_41479260_group_pa203_300.jpgUPDATE 10:07 AM: Of course, being an EOD pro doesn't make you bomb-proof. In an incident I barely missed, UK Captain Peter Norton lost a leg and part of an arm to an IED. Yesterday, he was awarded one of the British military's highest honors, the George Cross. Only 21 others have received it since 1945. His citation reads, in part:

"Captain Norton was the second-in-command of the US Combined Explosives Exploitation Cell (CEXC) based in the outskirts of Baghdad. The unit has been in the forefront of counter Improvised Explosive Device (IED) operations and is plays a vital role in the collection and analysis of weapons intelligence.

At 1917 hours on 24 July 2005, a three vehicle patrol from B Company, 2nd Battalion, 121st Regiment of the Georgia National Guard was attacked by a massive command initiated IED in the Al Bayaa district near Baghdad. The ensuing explosion resulted in the complete destruction of a 'Humvee' patrol vehicle and the deaths of four US personnel. Due to the significance of the attack, a team from CEXC, commanded by Captain Norton, was tasked immediately to the scene. On arrival, Captain Norton was faced with a scene of carnage and the inevitable confusion which is present in the aftermath of such an incident. He quickly took charge and ensured the safety of all the coalition forces present. A short while later he was briefed that a possible command wire had been spotted in the vicinity of the explosion site. With a complete understanding of the potential hazard to himself and knowing that the insurgents had used secondary devices before in the particularly dangerous part of Iraq, Captain Norton instructed his team and the US forces present in the area to remain with their vehicle while he alone went forward to confirm whether a command wire IED was present.

A short while later, an explosion occurred and Captain Norton sustained a traumatic amputation of his left leg and suffered serious blast and fragmentation injuries to his right leg, arms and lower abdomen. When his team came forward to render first aid, he was conscious, lucid and most concerned regarding their safety. He had correctly deduced that he had stepped on a victim operated IED and there was a high probability that further devices were present. Before allowing them to render first aid, he instructed his team on which areas were safe and where they could move. Despite having sustained grievous injuries he remained in command and coolly directed the follow-up actions. It is typical of the man that he ignored his injuries and regarded the safety of his men a paramount as they administered life saving first aid to him. It is of note that a further device was found less than ten metres away and rendered safe the following day. Captain Norton's prescience and clear orders in the most difficult circumstances undoubtedly prevented further serious injury or loss of life.

(Big ups: JQP, LB)

Comments

I think you can't be EOD unless you love gold. Also, you have to be really good at Call of Duty 4. Without those two qualities, you can't consider yourself capable of saving the entire world, which is what most EOD Techs do on a daily basis, using only a toothbrush and a ShamWOW!

Lacy is a douche.

Posted by: Porkchop Sandwiches at March 31, 2009 06:37 PM


As a recently USN EOD (Ret)and as someone who was there in CEXC (03-04, 05) and knew Cap'n Pete. I can tell you that even EOD Techs are mortal (even really good ones). I think the real point is while actually placing a "drop charge" or other seemingly simple task to counter charge/disrupt/etc... is not rocket surgery, however the decisions that leads up to whatever TTP is performed is not done by rigid doctrine, or hap hazard decision...it is a result of the situation. A lot of these situations involve showing up on site only to be informed the scenario is 180 out, and your being sniped or rocketed while you recalibrate your initial plan and execute in about 30 sec. Would you use the same TTP's in the US or some other AOR. Not if your EOD. Anyone can blow stuff up...try preventing something from blowing up that was designed specifically to do just that... Protection of PERSONEL and Property is the mission! Yes in that order. We all have our own jobs/responsibilities and they are all important and we are all special. I won't do yours, don't do mine. My $.02 Peace!

Posted by: Skykrab at December 19, 2008 03:17 PM


Okay lets get it straight. Anyone can walk down on and IED, place a counter charge and walk away. Thats great you made something go boom, you should be proud of yourself. The real deal is that making something go boom is not solving the problem. EOD plays a vital role on reducing the IED threat by analyzing the IED, seeing how it functions, best means to defeat it, and ways that it can be defeated or easliy ineffective by other tools. Thats what being EOD is about not just blowing things up but finding out information for others and to benefit the men and women on the ground on how to idnetify, react to the threat and the latest trends of the enemy. For example you think that some guy in DC woke up one day and said these guys need jamming equipment for there trucks to mess up ied's, NO, it was the work of many EOD techs who rendered safe an ied and to identify how it functioned and ways to defeat it. Its the attention to detail, knowledge, technical knowledge and common sense of the EOD technican to solve these problems. You take this as you like but I was once told "If you do not know your tools and explosive then your procedures will be ineffective" and thats what makes an EOD tech knowledge about the threat. Being prior Infantry with 3 combat deployments I can clearly say that not just anybody can be EOD, because blowing something up doesnt help you defeat the next one encounterd.

Posted by: Frank Rodriguez at June 16, 2008 08:57 PM


hello

Posted by: selahattin at May 13, 2008 01:51 PM


Hey they can do anything they want.... once.

Posted by: Les at August 2, 2007 01:11 AM


I as an EOD Tech I have seen people try to do our job.... I'll gust say, it scares the $)! ## Out of us when it happens around us. One particular time it was an Iraqi that had been 'The Hero' a couple of times successfully, but this time it didn't help; he died bending over the item. We arrived on seen a few minutes after and did a post analysis on the poor souls remains. My advices... wait the few minutes and let us put our lives on the line, we are shore less likely to die then you!!!

Posted by: Rich at July 10, 2007 08:27 AM


I was the medic assigned to the Platoon that was involved in the incident that CPT Norton was sent to investigate. The award and the citation directly reflect his heroic actions on that unforgetable day.

Posted by: Smith at June 7, 2007 02:21 PM


Swimmer, the article says there is a critical shortage of EOD technicians. What would be accomplished by having EOD ride out with regular patrols? While roadside bombs and ordnance finds aren't rare, that doesn't mean that every patrol finds some. Quite the contrary; only a tiny fraction of patrols find anything that would call for an EOD team. Having an EOD team with every patrol might feel like a great idea to you, but it would mean that the rest of the area has one less team to respond to areas where IEDs have been found. Put another team or two out with another patrol, and you may be completely denying EOD support to the rest of your area. I don't know how many EOD teams there are in Iraq, but I'll bet there are a lot more patrols out on a daily basis.

Your suggestion that EOD technicians grab their gear and roll out reflects frustration and impatience. Your enemy wants you to get frustrated, because when you start letting your impatience drive your decisions, you're going to make mistakes that your enemy can exploit.

You suggest that your leadership is ordering people to play at being EOD. I advise you to do some homework and find out what the standing orders of your higher units are when it comes to suspicious items, roadside bombs, and ordnance. If your captain, LT, or sergeant orders you to do something that is against the standing orders of your battalion, brigade, division, or corps, that is an unlawful order.

We all want everyone to come home alive. If you're frustrated with the EOD support you get, you can always try talking to them. If you understand how EOD response works, you might be able to find ways to speed things up from your end.

Posted by: Crab at March 16, 2007 01:02 PM


When I got my crab in 1967 things were a lot different than today but it still took someone with special qualities to get through EOD training. I saw many good soilders with the academic ability to pass but lacked the nerves it took to do the actual job. The military can lower the standards to recruite but the standards for EOD personnel Will only go up with todays technology.
Usually you only get one mistake in this job. It's complete success or absolute failure and you have to have a complete and absolute trust in your team mates and thats what it takes to be EOD.

Posted by: Rick at March 6, 2007 05:24 PM


As the father of a Marine currently in EOD training I can appreciate the comments that some might consider harsh. My son just returned from his 3rd tour of Iraq and spent the last few months working alongside EOD techs. He is(was) a Combat Engineer but is making the lat move to EOD. He's done well so far through Core and is enjoying it a lot. He has the mental toughness I think it takes to make it into this elite group. The expectations are high - and I wouldn't want it any other way.

Posted by: Joe Mac at February 26, 2007 12:51 PM


I love that EOD is upset about this. EOD is above them selfs. Grag your gear and go out on a patrol. stop waiting to be called. we all know that your training is long and the military dosen't like to waste money, so they send out CE out instend of you. These young kids are just trying to do the best job and come home alive.

EOD still rocks!!!! I call on EOD all the time. but we all take order's and these units are just doing that.
remember this is a Leadership problem.

B12 sapper and up.

Posted by: Swimmer at November 3, 2006 09:49 AM


My time in EOD was pre-robots and bomb suits. Probably because of this the number of folks that wanted to try our job or claim to be EOD was pretty small. However we did see it occasionally from the chemical folks in tech escort. Somehow they would occasionally get the idea that talking to an EOD operator was the same as being trained. This is much akin to the belief that having a drink with a Navy Diver qualifies you to strap on a MK16 and go for a swim.

However the folks wearing that crab today are as much advanced over what I knew as are the devices they are RSP'ng.

Just because you can shoot does not make you a sniper...same for EOD. It is a combination of training and having the right mind set to complete that training. It is a lot like BUDS (not physically) in that you had better measure up attitude wise or your gone.

Combat engineers have always done a great job with the explosives they are trained to handle and no one should take anything away from them.
One of the great humanitarian services provided by America is the demining training center operated by the U.S. Army Engineers.

I completely agree with comments about posting classified info...in my time they were called RSP's but it sounds like some idiot posted the same type of thing. There is only one comment I can think of that is anywhere near appropriate, "Have you lost your f*cking mind?"

Oh yeah...these comments are of course my own opinion and if they pissed you off then we now have something in common.
Sincerely,
Will Pratt

Posted by: Will Pratt at November 1, 2006 05:52 PM


Why would someone who has not a clue about the workings of Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) even consider attempting to approach it much less try to render it safe? That person would have to be a complete moron. Any attempt to neutralize the IED puts that individual and any who follow that individuals lead in jeopardy—meaning they are risking loosing their life or their limbs. Again not an intelligent move.

Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technicians are highly trained in various fields of expertise. They include but are not limited too conventional weapons systems--what we call bombs and bullets, chemical weapons systems, nuclear weapon systems, and weapons of mass destruction that comprise elements of the previously mentioned genres. To think that one can pick up a radio controlled robot and successfully neutralize an IED without the benefit of knowing where to start and how to determine if the procedure did in fact neutralize the IED is again fool hardy.

If there are people out there truly want to become EOD technicians then I suggest you submit an application to cross train into the career field; but be advised we only want the best and brightest in our career field. Some of you might have figured out why that is and others are still wondering; if your still wondering why don’t apply. For those wanna be’s out there that say they applied but were turned because there were no slots are full of the preverbal Horse Manure—their ASVAB scores were probably too low to qualify.

As for military.com/defense tech, my opinion of your organization has diminished greatly for publishing this rubbish. You have divulged our TTPs and those of the enemy; in my book that is aiding and abetting the enemy.

The opinion espoused here is my personal opinion and mine alone.

Posted by: Master Blaster at October 20, 2006 03:31 PM


I want to start this comment by saying that before I read the article I was completely appalled by the title. Let me make something very clear to all the "wish" I could be EOD people out there that are doing operations that they shouldnt be, NO ONE IS CONSIDERED EOD UNTIL THEY HAVE EARNED THE HIGHLY RESPECTED CRAB.

In the article it states that there is a shortage of EOD techs in Iraq. This is true because EOD training is much more complex than many other career fields, so of course we are going to be a little short on HIGHLY TRAINED TECHS. EOD technicians go through more training than anyone can imagine. Just because you see an IED on the road or have seen the movie “blown away” a hundred times doesn’t make you an expert on how to defuse them. These days a select few people try to claim that they do the same thing as us EOD techs. Whenever someone says that and they are not a true tech I can’t help but laugh in their face for about 5 minutes. After I get off the floor laughing I explain to them (with the utmost respect)that their not on the same level we are experience wise.

I am very sorry to hear that so many people out there THINK they are EOD because if that’s the case the death toll in Iraq is sadly going to go up.

If you are not a trained EOD tech and you decide to mess with an IED and it goes off, then you got F’ed in the A and you deserved it.

I would just like to say that the opinions expressed in this article are solely mine and I do not speak for all the EOD techs out there.

Posted by: A True EOD tech at October 17, 2006 03:49 PM


First I would like to start off by expressing how disappointed I am that MILITARY.COM would be posting some of the information that it does. Discussing still classified information concerning our TTP's (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) and insurgent TTP's is mind boggling and irresponsible!
Second, I would like to explain that being in EOD encompasses MUCH more than the IED mission in the AOR (Area of Responsibility). Being trained to Render Safe Conventional Ordnance, WMD's, Nukes, and working hand in hand with the Secret Service to provide protection to the US President are some of the other responsibilities that we have. The technical training eliminates approximately 66% of the people who attempt to become an EOD tech. So it is no wonder that the EOD community is disgusted at the suggestion that "Everyone is EOD". It does not take a genius to drive a bomb bot down to and IED and detonate it. In fact, I am certain that a child who plays video games could do it better than most.
Lastly, it is true that EOD is stretched very thin at the time therefore I believe it is good for Engineers to obtain these new toys. AS LONG AS THEY DON'T OVERSTEP THEIR BOUNDS BOTH IN TECHNICAL CAPABILITY AND MAKING A CLAIM TO BE EOD! Engineers making daring choices as opposed to waiting for the professionals is a disservice to themselves and the others that they hurt/kill in the process.

Posted by: Jeremy Pye at October 17, 2006 02:58 PM


Stories about non-eod personnel (mostly engineers) trying their luck at disarming IEDs usually play out like Darwin Awards. But my personal opinion is let people do what they want as long as they only kill themself, could save and expensive eod soldier's life.

Posted by: beau at March 25, 2006 04:45 PM


I would love to know what the true casualty rate is from people playing EOD. I understand that it is rough to wait on EOD, but it is better than getting yourself or your soldier killed or wounded. The problem with people playing EOD is idiot's never die alone!

Posted by: Jim Mac at March 24, 2006 03:22 PM


I know this has been talked about here before but while EOD is great it can sometimes take hours for someone to just show up and tell them weather it's a bomb or not. Robots and even toys (As some of my friends I sent RC trucks to in Iraq have found) can help figure weather or not it's likley to be a bomb. I have great stories of my RC cars being use to hit boxes and paper bags that turn out to be empty. I suspect that they saved hundreds and hundreds of man hours this way.

Posted by: The Cenobyte at March 24, 2006 10:11 AM


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