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Well, gee, Rutty, that was constructive.

John, I've read this article, and every other one I've run across that tries to justify this sort of broad-based surveillance, and your arguments just don't hold up for me.

Who decides who's flagged as a terrorist? What do you do if you are erroneously so flagged, and you find yourself in a detention camp?

The Constitution is not a document that we should follow if it's not inconvenient. It is the most important definition of what our country is, and what it stands for, and we absolutely can not afford to throw it out the window whenever we get scared.

What do our leaders and our military forces swear to defend and protect? Is that oath meaningless?

Posted by: Lee Gibson at April 9, 2006 03:52 PM

Everytime these type of articles are published, it is risking American lives in the war on terror in trade for pure entertainment (only few value from such information, more likely the enemy). In other words, Defense Tech staff could be one to indirectly kill people by providing information to the terrorists like this article has done. Yes, you can kill people by information, just like Navsats attempt to send people in to death traps by non-existing phantom routes.

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John: as you say, I'm sure. But this is bad news for America and AT&T. The US handles most of the world's internet traffic because other nations use our networks instead of building their own. The reason they use our network instead of building their own is because of the Bill of Rights, the perceived firewall between the government and private persons.

The Founding Fathers never heard of firewalls, but they invented the greatest one, just the same. Now that firewall has been breached and the next decade will see the end of US dominance in telecommunications because our most important comparative advantage has been frittered away. The communications of the future will go through networks that not only cannot be monitored randomly, but which cannot be accessed with US warrants.

Feel safer yet?

Trust can be built, but not rebuilt. People did business with the US on the assumption of certain rules that were rewritten in secret. They won't get fooled again. It's not trivial. The Soviet Union was very safe inside its crumbling bunker. They were also very poor.

Posted by: James at April 8, 2006 11:39 PM

The only way this really qualifies as a scoop is to someone who believes that terrorist have some Constitutional right to plan their dastardly deeds in complete privacy.

Sacrificing my Constitutional right to privacy in the process means they've already won.

Posted by: Chris at April 8, 2006 11:37 PM

John, dont confuse Lee with facts. It's not fair.

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Posted by: J at April 8, 2006 04:53 PM

>>> There is some sort of flag on their communications that says "I'm a terrorist! Watch my email!"

Umm, yeah. You did bother to read the blurb, right? You may have missed this part...

>>> its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets.

Only data, email and calls that are either specifically targeted for an individual or fit the pre-programmed criteria for suspect terrorist activity are intercepted and examined by human eyes and ears. Or do you believe the NSA spends it's days and nights reading your love letters and eavesdropping in on Grandma's description of her famous banana bread recipe?

Get a grip. The intelligence agencies are *supposed* to be actively hunting for and intercepting communications between individuals that mean you bodily harm.

The tactic of ignoring terrorist threats and employing weak-sister responses to things like multiple embassy destruction as deployed by the previous administartion proved to be a disaster. Let's all pray we are never again put in harms way by such willful avoidance of reality again.

Posted by: John at April 8, 2006 04:17 PM

Ah, so the NSA only monitored the bits that were sent by terrorists, John? There is some sort of flag on their communications that says "I'm a terrorist! Watch my email!" and the NSA just covered their eyes when uncountable terabytes of other peoples' communications were streaming by?

Utter nonsense.

I absolutely DO have a Constitutional right to privacy. "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is no basis for a civil society.

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Does this really qualify as a big, fat scoop? I mean, we already know that the feds are conducting surveillance for terrorist related traffic (thankfully). It's implicit that they are tapping into communications trunks then, no?

The only way this really qualifies as a scoop is to someone who believes that terrorist have some Constitutional right to plan their dastardly deeds in complete privacy.

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