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Bunker-Busters Readied; Iran Attack Near?

As you've probably heard by now, Sy Hersh has a new scoop: that planning for an attack on Iran is further along than you think, and that nukes might be involved.

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One of the military’s initial option plans, as presented to the White House by the Pentagon this winter, calls for the use of a bunker-buster tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear sites. One target is Iran’s main centrifuge plant, at Natanz, nearly two hundred miles south of Tehran. Natanz... reportedly has underground floor space to hold fifty thousand centrifuges, and laboratories and workspaces buried approximately seventy-five feet beneath the surface. That number of centrifuges could provide enough enriched uranium for about twenty nuclear warheads a year... The elimination of Natanz would be a major setback for Iran’s nuclear ambitions, but the conventional weapons in the American arsenal could not insure the destruction of facilities under seventy-five feet of earth and rock, especially if they are reinforced with concrete.

Based on a 1950's design, the B61-11 bunker-buster has been around in its current form since 1997. That Divine Strake test -- the one that's gonna produce the "mushroom cloud over Las Vegas" on June 2? Probably a B61 simulation, the Arms Control Wonk says.

The Pentagon and the Energy Department have been pushing for an update for several years, now -- something that can penetrate deeper, and rely on a lower nuclear yield. That program, the "Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator," is officially cancelled. But there's widespread speculation that money for this project is just hidden elsewhere.

Meanwhile, Lockheed is looking into the "Kinetic Energy Cavity Penetrator Weapon" -- a bunker-buster that surrounds the bomb with a gas bubble, so it can plow into the ground ten times further than similar weapons. Testing continues for the Army's "Deep Digger," the bunker-buster that uses cannon to tunnel through solid rock, drilling a channel for the bomb. It's the current record-holder for non-nuclear penetrators, going down twice as deep as the nearest competitor. But still, that's only 30 feet. The Natanz bunker is down another 45. Which is why we're getting ready to see that massive explosion outside of Vegas.

UPDATE 04/09/06 10:56 AM: "The Air Force is proposing to build a new 'prompt global strike'" missile, Inside Defense notes. "Land-based boosters traditionally used for nuclear weapons would be reconfigured and fitted with conventional warheads, according to Air Force Space Command."

UPDATE 04/10/06 9:02 AM: "The White House, sensitive to President Bush's image as a war hawk, is trying to play down the possibility of a military strike," the AP notes.

Meanwhile, the Wonk says that "we are not going to nuke Iran."

How deep down the Natanz facility is less important than what's covering it, the Wonk notes. In Natanz' case, we're talking about a lot of rock and soil. Which means that 5,000-pound conventional bunker-busters, like the GBU-28, ought to do the job of knocking out Natanz rather nicely.

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Posted by: Jaye at April 10, 2006 05:42 PM


God forbid, we attack another sovereign nation because I think the Iranians will bring down the Spirits on their Illegal missions with their Russian radar's, balloons with mines, elephant guns, Tomcats, Phantoms and Mirages. Russian/Chinese satellites and old guys sitting on lawn chairs will notify the Iranians the Spirits are coming and the Revolutionary Guard will do the rest! Stop the Madness before it starts! Lets leave a world our grandkids can enjoy. Will; aol is a joke but I like to laugh! Peace! Jaye

Posted by: Jaye at April 10, 2006 05:25 PM


We are not going to NUKE Iran. This whole discussion is about finding some way to prevent Irsael from nuking Iran! With a population of only around five million They may think they have no choice but to attack first. The mulars of iran believe if they can kill three million jews in a nuke attack it will be the end of Irsael. Even if 30 million of their own people die in Israel's counter strike. They will be the honored dead and recieve their reward in paridise.

Irsael knows this as well and might chosse to nuke iran first before they develope the bomb. This is what must be prevented.

As for letting the cat out of the bag about our possible use of nuclear weapons, it might be simple disinformation warning the mad mulers what might happen if push comes to shove.

Perhaps the only thing this or any president can do is inform iran that if a nuke goes off in the united States...90 minutes later Iran will cease to exsist. That the whole country will be turned into a radioactive waste land. This will only happen if the uS is attacked and only this will cause this terrible fate to be fall the people of Iran.

Should this warning be given in private or public is the real question. A question that I hope can be prevented.

Posted by: davids at April 10, 2006 01:43 PM


Jaye,

Since you seem to be against "profiteers" why in the world are you supporting AOL? They are one of the biggest "profiteers" in the world.

Just seems like your activisim stops when you have to make a change in your own life. You like to tell other people how to act, but God forbid you have to change your daily routine.

Posted by: Will at April 10, 2006 12:21 PM


It would take more than you think, davis. Each time you made a hole debris and soil would collapse into it, which would have to be blasted out again. You have to wait for the debris/concussion to settle down after each bomb; which means either loitering over the target or making mutliple passes, neither of which is something any pilot would want to do.

Jeff, share what you're smoking or get out. We're never gonna get rid of the Neocons if people like you keep running your mouth off with such nonsense. There is no doubt that the US could ultimately attack Iran's nuclear infrastructure and destroy it. The US military capability far exceeds that of Iran, and nothing they have can stand up in a pitched battle. Sure, if we invaded they could bog down nation-building with insurgency Iraq-Style, but their nuclear program would still be gone.

The debate here is not whether we COULD do this, its whether we SHOULD, and HOW.

Posted by: Moose at April 10, 2006 12:09 PM


The whole idea is NOT to use a nuke! Three heavy bombers each one carrying a conventional penatrator bomb. Each lazer or GBS guided bomb is larger then the last, droped from high altitude.

The grand slames the britsh used on the tirpiz and the v-3 site were falling at supersonic speed. One went right thru the tirpiz, armour and all and exploded under the German battle ship.

So my idea was to drop one deep penatrator, wait for the dust to clear, drop a bigger one down the same hole. Then the last bomb, some were around thirty tons, heaverly armoured right down the same hole. Timed to go off deep underground.

A B-52 with it's 70,000 pound capacity and huge bomb bay could drop it from 50 thousand feet. If the britsh bomb was traveling 750 mph from 20,000 feet. The American bomb should be going over a 1000 mph. I think it should be able to disturb a few gophers?

Posted by: davids at April 10, 2006 01:45 AM


In other words use one deep penatrator weapon to start a whole, another droped into the same crater to make a deeper hole and finally the biggest one of all to smash thru the remaining concret and destroy the target?

Yeah, all you'd need would be a missile capable of flying into the heart of a nuclear explosion without going off course...

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at April 9, 2006 09:48 PM


Five reasons America will fail again, just like Desert One!

1. Iran knows the US and Israelis are coming!
2. Iran and the US trained together for many years until 1979.
3. Iran has made secret Aircraft, Boat and Missile deals with China and Russia, few know about these modern weapons but they are now online, ready and hidden.
4. Iran is not Iraq.
5. Jesus does not want this to happen while his people are here, Example the Big Fat Kosher Butcher is now a Veggie while some other important National leaders have had some recent serious health scares too.
No more good American GIs will die for the Neocon War Profiting Cowards! Amen.
Sincerely, Jaye jfele@aol.com

Posted by: Jaye at April 9, 2006 09:00 PM


What people don't seem to understand when they surmise this article is that we are talking about President George W. Bush. It will be his judgement to drop any bomb, any where.

This being a President who has stated that he acts on "insitinct" I can only imagine what his "instinct?" about dropping bombs on Iran is.

Besides that, dropping any bombs on Iran would have huge geo-political ramifications. I mean HUGE. Russia and China would be pissed, as well as Iran itself, a country that border two of America's warzones...I mean HUGE...heh.

Posted by: Harry Toor at April 9, 2006 04:25 PM


Hersh is usually right. Just because rightwing gasbags scream and whine doesn't mean he's wrong.

Posted by: renato at April 9, 2006 03:08 PM


Hersh was 100% correct about the vice presidents office
going around the usual vetting and information corroborating
experts at the cia in order to get raw, unchecked intelligence,
that turned out to be wrong and purposefully distorted,
in order to set the stage, and make the unsupported case, for
the Iraq invasion. And the Vice Presidents office made the CIA fall on the sword and take responsibility for the bad intel that
the Veep's office wouldn't let them check thoroughly in the first place. This is the opposite of the CIA's usual course of plausible deniability...in this case they were made to assume the opposite of that posture and Take the blame for what The Veeps office was responsible for. My main point, however you feel about hitting Iran, with or without tactical nukes, is that Hersh was Right in that other case and the rest of the world was slow in waking up to that point even though he explicitly laid out the whole story in the New Yorker several years ago and in his book later.

Posted by: darth vader at April 9, 2006 11:44 AM


I was wondering if we can drop bombs down a man hole cover now. But still can not destroy targets under 100 feet of dirt and rock and protected by reinforced cement with a single penatration weapon. Why not use more than one in the same hole?

In other words use one deep penatrator weapon to start a whole, another droped into the same crater to make a deeper hole and finally the biggest one of all to smash thru the remaining concret and destroy the target?

Crude yes....but simple and should be effective. the only draw back would be it would take at least three or four planes to take out one deep target.

Posted by: davids at April 9, 2006 11:27 AM


SO there is a plan to use nuclear weapons to prevent another state from aquireing nuclear weapons.... Yeah the NPT is really at work here. The plan might sound tactically feasable, but strategically, its FUBAR.

Posted by: Buddy at April 9, 2006 10:10 AM


common guys Hersh is a left wing propaganda monger, about as believeable as George Gallaway.

Posted by: ShepUK at April 9, 2006 09:34 AM


Gee ShepUK, except Hersh knows who the sources are; Hersh's editor at the New Yorker would know who the sources are in order to ensure the article has veracity; and unlike the Bush administration, Hersh has far more credibility and far less to gain from deceiving us.

Posted by: mister z at April 9, 2006 07:38 AM


"...another story full to the brim of un-named sources, ex-employees and to top it off people who considered resigning (again un-named). Yep a story without even one named source,..."

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Not unlike all the "Senior Administration Officials" who warned of Iraq's Nukes and how dangerous they were to America.

Posted by: owlbear1 at April 9, 2006 07:24 AM


oh my god, Hersh once again gives us another story full to the brim of un-named sources, ex-employees and to top it off people who considered resigning (again un-named). Yep a story without even one named source, wow any chump could make this stuff up. PS i know an un-named source who sez that 'xyz' is gonna attack 'abc' and another un-named fella gonna resign over it. See my point,Hersh talks gargbage that if reversed to say Iran was gonna attack would get no media attention what so ever! Tripe is my offical verdict.

Posted by: ShepUK at April 9, 2006 05:03 AM


This makes it sound like war plans are a new thing. We have plans to invade, attack, and disrupt nearly every hotspot in the world, they're just stashed away in a drawer somewhere. No need to reinvent the wheel every time a crisis comes around.

Posted by: Stefan at April 9, 2006 12:12 AM


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