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Hezbollah`s Thermobaric Arsenal (maybe)

Hezbollah have deployed a range of new high-tech weaponry in Southern Lebanon. Many commentators have noted the effectiveness of their anti-tank missiles against Israeli armor , with apparently reliable reports of Iranian-made copies of the AT-5 Spandrel and Russian-made Kornet-E and Metis-M anti-tank guided missile which were apparently supplied by Syria.
smaw-ne sequence.JPG

However, less attention has been paid to the reported use of missiles against infantry. In particular, in one instance

“a missile that was fired at a building soldiers were staying in caused the building to collapse, claiming the lives of nine reservists. "

That sort of effect does not suggest a HEAT warhead, which would punch a hole through a wall and do limited damage beyond. It looks more more like a powerful thermobaric blast, which produces a sustained pulse capable of knocking down walls. Both the Metis-M and Kornet-E missiles have thermobaric warhead options. Note that, as the Russians do not make a distinction, the makers describe Kornet warhead as ‘fuel air explosive’.

According to the Marine Corps Gazette, US Marine developed the tactic of using thermobaric SMAW-NE rounds in Fallujah: "SMAW gunners became expert at determining which wall to shoot to cause the roof to collapse and crush the insurgents fortified inside interior rooms."

As previously noted with the proliferation of thermobaric rounds coming from China, Russia, Eastern Europe and possibly Iran, it was only a matter of time before they turned up in the hands of guerrilla forces. Thermobaric weapons are likely to cause greatly increased casualties for three reasons.

- As is clear from the above, they turn buildings from safe cover into death traps. (One US thermobaric test was called 'Bring Down The House'). Armored vehicles, unless buttoned down, also offer little protection.

- They negate any benefits given by body armor; some studies (NB - PDF) suggest that wearing armor may actually worsen the injuries produced by a thermobaric blast – “enhancing blast effects by increasing target surface area and changing the effective loading function on the thorax."

- The internal injuries produced may be much harder to treat in the field than more normal shrapnel wounds. Hence the rush for new diagnostic tools: "Early diagnosis of internal trauma induced by a primary blast wave via a field-deployable, rapid, and non-invasive technique will provide an invaluable tool in the subsequent success of treating such conditions".

When Israel was accused of using fuel-air weapons earlier on in the conflict there was a wave of objections to this type of munition. It will be interesting to see whether Hezbollah denies or confirms using them, and whether any similar objections are raised.

-- David Hambling

Comments

Speaking of the British. Were they not the people that kicked out Churchhill for Chamberlin and then gave in to Hitler's lies in 1939 that laid the ground work for WW2? Have we not learned that by capitulating to tryants, liers, cults, and terrorists only sets the stage for a later more deystructive action. And that is not a question, but a statement of fact.
Dammit America. The World. We just watched the five year review of 9/11/2001. Have we forgotten so fast the evil minds of people that did this tragic attack. And are still roaming the world planning and comitting this attacks on others. It's time the PC gloves come off and let the military do what has to be done. And if we are not ready to make parking lots out of those countrys, then we need to close the international airports and NOBODY gets in. Start building defense positions on the coast and that antimissle system better start working, or those companys are going to finish the project with their own money. Tell them that and I'll bet it will be completed in 6 months and will work everytime.
Castro. Your time is up. It's time your people had a say in the government. It's time that the U.S. makes Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands states.

Posted by: Tillman at September 13, 2006 06:13 AM


To the brilliant English major who decided to teach us "war" mongering westerners what not to do as super powers. Thanks for advice we'll heed it most definitely. Now here is some for you Mujj:

Everyone expects America to do their dirty work (peace keeping missions in small ass U.N. affiliated countries that we honestly give two shits and fuck about, but because know one else wants to step up and take the reigns we do it) Of course when we do we're considered "Imperialistic" Never mind the fact that China (the other super power) keeps complete control over their muslims in the northern Mongholian regions of their country, never mind the fact that they supply just as much if not more weapons to as many countries around the world that may/may not be friendly to the fundamentalist Islamic cause. Although it is what ever feeds their insatiable desire for oil so who cares. Who cares that after 9/11 they started deporting and killing many of their muslim citizens and resident aliens. Never mind the fact that just yesterday they passed a resolution that says "all foreign news outlets must channel their news through the official state agency" so that they have complete control over their media too. So buddy. I would say that the United States of America is a pretty good deal and the rest of the world CAN kiss our ass. If we weren't here someone worse would be "imposing" their true imperialistic views all over your Hajji asses. Your right dude all nations do fall I mean look at how great arab nations used to be centuries ago and look at what a joke they've become these days.

Posted by: David at September 11, 2006 10:48 AM


"Doing what you like is freedom" America today is doing what they like with the whole world and they claim they are free society trying to free the world. But they denied others to be free.

"Liking what you do is happiness" They are happy with all the atrocities the are committe everywhere including in Iraq,Afganistan,(indirectly in Lebanon,west bank, gaza and so on) and all the persieved enemy spots in the world.
Let BUSH not decieve its people anylonger. the people of Great Britain are more wisher and they are getting reid of BLAIR (the war Monger).

I have the following advise for the Intelligent people of America.

-Make peace with the world so that you will also be at peace as it was during CLINTON's Administration.

-Bear in mind that no Empire last forever and so shall it be for the US.

-Understand more about Islam before you pass comments on the religion.

-Desist from using the tenents of reward in ISLAM the way you like.(virgins)

-Know that most of the so called terrorists are trianed by the US.

And finally pray for your nation to enjoy peace as it were in other free places in the world.
May this day in history ,5 years ago, never happen to UNITED STATE agian(AMIN)

Posted by: biola at September 11, 2006 04:55 AM


I like Robin Williams version 'that when the "coward self bomber" (that's my word) arrives at the gates he meets George Washington, who commences to beat the crap out of him.' Alimofoup is screaming about 'the 72 blonde virgins that have been promised to him by the Koran' and some stupid clergy if he blows himself and lots of INNOCENT men, women, and children up. 'George Washington replies that it's 72 Virginians that he is going to meet and settle the score with.'

Posted by: Tillman at September 10, 2006 11:30 AM


well peep's you must remember this "the winners or victors write the history books"

Posted by: marlin at September 9, 2006 05:51 PM


To A Khokar:
I admit that some of what you say is true if you will admit that some of what you say is false propaganda. Many weapons that were in Iraq were shipped,driven,or flown to Iran so that the U.S. would not know about them or so that they would not be captured.So who is to say exactly what was moved to Iran,syria,or Jordan. In any arguement there are two sides to an issue and two rights and wrongs. There is enough wrong to go around on both sides of the middle east issue.
On another note what is this huge preoccupation with sex that you middle east men have? Any of the world chat rooms that I have been in there are several arabic men who are always hitting on and generally being totally obnoxious with the white women in the room.You suppress your women and cover them up,head to toe and then you lust after anglo women,what's up with that?Hussein and his sons were obsessed with anglo women and had women brought in as sex slaves,had movies about naked anglo women,and pictures all over about anglo women.Islam forbids alcohol and sex without procreation,but you middle east men go to places like lebonon and debauch yourself with alcohol and women and then return home as if you are true and loyal islamist.What kind of phonies are you then,to use arguements that islam is a true an honest religion.Just more phoney arguements as I see it.And what is this fascination with 72 virgins that you keep promising your terrorist bombers with if they kill themselves and their enemy?You talk about americans being sexist,but maybe you should look into the mirror of truth and see that you are no different.Enough said ,for now.

Posted by: Eddiemyboy1 at September 9, 2006 11:29 AM


I have to comment on the writer that label the US as invaders. First of all in the 5000 modern years of Babylon Iraq has never been peaceful. Furthermore the statement that the US has an history of advancing on depleted Armies. I remember clearly that Saddam and his Cronies promised the `Mother of all wars`. If my Army was so helpless then I would keep my bog mouth shut. Your comments are based on no more then ignorant hate of the US and it´s policies. Take a good look at the cowards you named defensive people. Are they not the same peaceful people that have been blowing themselves up for the promise of 7 virgins. I personally think that when it comes to politics and World affairs you are above your level of intellect. Love it or hate it, the USA is here to stay and although our foreign policies have sometime little to desire, thats the way of the world and a fact you have to deal with.

Posted by: Mr. Dewberry at September 9, 2006 06:24 AM


No need to invade Iran. Simply pummel it from the sky, space, water, and of course, the Iraqi territory. We do not seek to, nor need to understand it's criminal nature. Just as the former Persian Empire cares not to understand the true goodness of it's enemies. It does not need to surrender, it's neutralization as a threat to world peace and stability will be sufficient enough.

Posted by: The Shadow at September 8, 2006 10:40 PM


Hey Darklord! Open your eyes and see what is going on. Try reading and studying a little history of Europe and you will understand that the 'underground' fighters were native country men and women trying to retake their homeland from an outside brutal army. The Hezbollahas are invaders (let's say from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Egypt) trying to take away the country from the Lebononese people. Something is amiss when in one country the Shittes and Kurds are the U.S. protectorats, but at the same time these same groups are cursing and spitting on our name and help. Iran wants nuclear material? Good. Send all the worlds nuclear power plant waste there. Put Tom on the first drum to be burried.

Posted by: Tillman at September 8, 2006 10:39 PM


To be more convincing to more people more of the time, political liberals and Islamists should attempt two small changes in their postings. (1) Attempt to use audience-appropriate language: American English, British English, etc. (this would deliver them from the appearance of being tongue-tied or dense, or both). (2) Attempt to use a tiny bit more logic and a lot less finger-pointing "ad hominem" approaches in their arguments.
I suggest that these groups attempt these tactics because they are inherently incapable of doing much of anything positive. Both are flawed and failed religious systems that, like the Marxist religion, are collapsing in on themselves.

Posted by: James R. Cooke at September 8, 2006 01:25 PM


Emerging from rubbles of Lebanon;
Iraq an oil rich, democratic and once, a stable country was invaded by US. For last many years US forces are trying very hard to consolidate their positions, to turn Iraq it into a stronghold. But the out come is vivid--- zero sum. To justify the invasion of Iraq, US have very sheepishly been trying to infer different surmises to the wider world; Starting from the Tyranny and dictatorship of Saddam Hussein imposed on Iraqis, to WMD and then switching to Terrorism, Alqaeda links and lately to dish out the sacred taste of freedom in democracy.
If Iraq sole export was only, cucumber and tomatoes, and oil was located some where in central Africa, This would have been amazing to watch, US mission, ‘able laureates’ landing in Iraq and occupying it, just to teach democracy. Also further making it, an absolute sure by deploying battle ships and forces in the vicinity. Barring all other neighbouring countries not to disturb, so that lesson practices to Iraqi go well.
We would be, but only fool..ish… to believe all this;
Arabian countries are sitting on the pits containing world’s crucial fuel energy resources.
The world’s lone super power feels it right full to make safe, secure these crucial resources for her best use and to avail an effective Hegemony in this part of the world.
For last some decades, under the clever, coercive western policies in Middle East, the natives and local dictator rulers of these Countries have been fully emasculated and successfully castrated. Whole Middle East is supposed to be doing a tip, toe dance on the tunes of ---USA. After fixing up, almost all the countries in Middle East into western bondage, in some farm or other. Iran is found to be the only odd one out and a last obstacle. Iran’s persistent defiance is proving to be a night mare. Iran is offering lots of resistance and well sought US Imperialistic dreams, seems to be withering out.
Iran is surrounded by ‘western’ strongholds like Iraq and Afghanistan. These are in full western occupation, ready to serve as van guards for any planned next onslaught.
But Iran has greater depth. Military value targets are very well spread. Any ground forces may find multiple layers of defences and many more other fortifications to converge on to...
The previous track record of US invasion of Iraq shows that US lead forces did not advance into Iraq till chief UN weapon inspector, Dr Hans Blix categorically made it clear that there were no WMDs and that there was a little resistance of scud medium range missile in Iraq.
History shows that our Western forces are the warrior and conqueror of no-resistance, depleted, and forsaken lands; --but they easily get bodged down, like mighty Israeli army in the face of determination and resilience shown by, even a very weak and negligible resistance ,like Hezbollah in south Lebanon… or Taliban showing vehement resistance against occupation by US/NATO forces in Afghanistan for last many years.
On the home front, on going media hype of terrorism is the principle weapon being implied very successfully. This keeps the public fear full and scared all the time and graph of public opinion remains in favour of an imaginary and phoney ‘war on terror’. On going exercise of ‘Air planes terror plot’ is another booster. This is also proving to be a fruitful ‘opinion harvester’ and may be kept alive and ripe as a ‘universal tool’ for a considerable period of time.
Al-Qaeda friends are usually, a good helping hand in the up keep of this hype too. They can any time come up with their simple video rhetoric to rescue the whole affair. To mark and reaffirm this hype, their next video release may be expected right before the 9/11 anniversary event. Followed by another on dot release by Al,jazeera, before midterm US elections to be held in November, 2006.
Israel Army retreat in the face of Hezbollah resilience in south Lebanon has brought lots of embarrassment for the US. In order to regain the lost deterrence, this seems eminent that out of desperation, US may attack Iran, with all her might, under any pretext.
Hezbollah guerrilla tactic demonstrated in Lebanon is an encouragement for Iran to put up greater resilience and US lead forces are likely to have tough time in the killing fields set up by Iran.
God forbid that winds of autumn befall on the fate of this Neocon strategy in Middle East.
Because, when the autumn cometh, even the greenest and strong rooted trees are compelled to shake down their leaves and; Lo, they stand stark naked in the gloomy cold evenings…shivering;

Posted by: A Khokar at September 8, 2006 01:01 PM


Seems there are alot of agendas posting on here, anti western jihadists, anti Bush/Cheney anarchists, and those with legit points on intelligence and technology.

What I got out of it is the US military could benefit from more Thermobaric weapon development. How about that 66mm LAW concept only make it reloadable instead of one shot throw away (so the Gs can't reuse the tube) and make it a HEAT round for light to medium armor with a Thermobaric jacket to increase lethality to personnel in confined spaces and immediate to point of detonation. That would be an awesome dual purpose tool!

(Put a sustained motor on it with a heat tracker and maybe we can make it a triple threat to low flying rotorwing and fixed wing aircraft!!! Now I'm dreaming.)

Hezbollah, smezbollah....as long as the jihadists are not willing to accept a 2 nation peace there will be none and once the western world gets over its appetite for oil and develops alternative energy then the jihadists will be no threat to Israel or the West since the money will dry up to support them and the jihadist enabling nations will be too busy trying to figure out how to feed their people with petroleum and camel dung.....

Posted by: Steve at September 8, 2006 12:56 PM


The United States has spent billions in aid for many countries. Now our government(Bush and Cheney) have moved us in a different direction, they are making sure they get all the money. The middle east has oil so, they went into Iraq. Sadaam was a bad guy and should not have been in power but, he was and he blocked Bush from getting oil. His puppetmaster Cheney pulled his strings and had him invade Iraq. Now we are fighting in a civil war there and Americans are being killed daily. Does Bush care?, evidently not, he just sends more over and more die. I praise the troops and thank them for their sacrifices but, why are they there? Bin Laden and Al Queda were responsible for 9/11. Isreal is an ally of the US and has always been hated by the Arab nations. They are a closer target than the US and they are caught in the middle. Unless a miracle happens, the Israelis and the Arab nations will fight until there is only one man standing. Why?

Posted by: Larry Marchant at September 8, 2006 12:06 PM


Yes thermobaric explosive weapons are very bad in regards to the amount of damage they cause. Yes the soviets are known as the first to deploy these types of weapon systems. However to blame a thermobaric weapon on the collaspe of a building needs to be looked at more closely. It only takes 6 psi to collaspe a re enforced concerte building. Postive peak preasure from a detonation inside a building from a heat round can achieve this. Most heat rounds are a PIBD (point inatating base detonating) if a heat round hit the outside of the wall of a house the major amount of the blast energy would not be confined in the house. However if a heat round went through a window and hit a interior wall you would have a massive postive pressure increase inside the room (well into the 6 psi range). Also you would have reflected pressure (3-4 times increase) and mac stem bridging too. The houses they build in that area are not re enforced and dropping one would be very easy to do. If the bad guys really understood the application of thermobarrics (and had them) they would allow the Iserals to take a house and drop it on top on them. You would not have one case but MANY. Ask the idiots who took on the Marines in Fallugah, the Marines did bring down the house and crushed the idiot bastards.

Posted by: marineeod at September 8, 2006 09:06 AM


hmn,easy to see,that this is a american site.All are against Hizbolla.Must be all the american jews,who sits on the power.
Strange,when european people fight a underground war to get invaders out of their country,then they are heroic freedom fighters.But when Hizbolla(and other similar organisations) fight a similar war,then they are terrorisme.

Posted by: Darklord at September 8, 2006 08:57 AM


What is this crap about Israeli guilt? Did Hezbollah not attack them? Plus why are you all blaming the journalist for reporting this news. Army's don't throw stones any more people. Weapons are designed to kill your enemy with the least amount of risk to your own troops. Also FAE type weapons are not chemical weapons, and they have been used since WWII.
It sucks that civilians were killed in the fighting, but to call them innocent civilians is a joke. When the most violent Terrorist organization in the world is a part of every aspect of a your civilization. Then it becomes your responsibility to deal with the consequences of their actions. Just like a parent with a horrible child, at some point you must pay the price.
Stop blaming others for the idiots of the world. People need to stand up and say enough is enough. You want to pick a fight with me great. I don't fight fair, the only fair fight happens in the ring. To quote Sean Connery “You pull a knife I pull a gun. You put one of ours in the hospital I put two of your in the morgue.” Eventually they will learn that this is a bad strategy and the people in those countries will stand up and demand a change. This is all about power with these people, not ideology. Granted the martyrs see this as gods will, but the leaders of these organizations are using religion as a way to gain more power.
So wake up and become part of the solution and not the problem. Every thing in the world is not the fault of the U.S and Israel. Some people are just A-Holes and will do what ever it takes to accomplish their goals power.

Posted by: David USMC Ordnance at September 8, 2006 08:37 AM


I see that the POINT is missed by everyone all around. It's not the weapons, who supplied them, who modified them, etc. It's that they were used by one country that is surrounded by a people that are brainwashed into the belief that only the Koran and Ali are the only 'Bible' and 'God'. Everybody else must die. Even to the point of thier own blood. Hezbollah leader in Lebonon statement that he 'would never have approved the raid into Israeli if he had known that Israeli would respond'. Well! DUH!!
What we need is a international law, based on our U.S. law that works so well, of registering all weapons and buyers of weapons. And there must be a 3 month waiting period so security and background checks can be completed by the buyer and the counteries that the weapons are to be pointed at.
I'm not a super religious person, but is it not time for these hate groups and single agenda groups to 'beat thier spears in plows' and use thi weapons money to buy food, clothes and housing for all the peoples in the low countries. There are enough ways out there for people to died without help from hate and weapons.
It's stupid, but lool at the history of the Soviet Union and Iraq, when a bully or tryannt was incharge, the country(s) internal ethnic differences never became an issue until the bully power was removed. With no central point to focus that ethnic hate, it was and now is being turned on each other. So everybody hate the U.S., we must drop the PC act and become the world bully. Let the hate in words and protest rain upon us. That would be a small price to pay to save millions of lives around the world. Right?

Posted by: Tillman at September 8, 2006 06:34 AM


The IDF went into this with bad leadership... it was a flip flop approach to war. Try one thing... that doesn't work... try another.. When you've got that approach to a war.. you're either a)using a badly trained army or b) You just don't give a sh1t.

PErsonally I think its a slight mixture of both.

In terms of weapons choice, just cause one person is using chemical weapons it doesn't mean you have to.

Israel, have been in a pretty hard place of late, bombs flying in from every direction. lets not forget Scuds. I can see why they would want to stamp their feet, but in reality they're not doing themselves any favours in this world by using ordanance that is prven to cause more damge to children than to guerilla army's.

Posted by: Owen Higgins at September 7, 2006 07:39 AM


I think the Telegraph article is just one more example of journalists accepting whatever their sources say at face value, and without any thinking or checking the facts. The statements in the article contain too many suspicious statements for the information to be true.

1) To begin with, the AT-5 Spandrel (Soviet name Konkurs) is usually vehicle-mounted, although a portable mount exists. See, for example, pictures of AT-5 applications at http://btvt.narod.ru/4/konkurs.htm

2) The tube of AT-5 is not 6 feet long, just 4. See for example, http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/at5spandrel.htm

3) If one bothers to check the site of hnn.co.il for pictures of captured Hezbollah weapons, it is easy to see the two main missiles apparently used: AT-3 Sagger, shipments of which to Middle East date back to pre-1973 times and American-made TOW dated 2001! http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/967_16248.jpg

In other words, there appears to be no traces of Kornets, Metis-Ms, or other more or less advanced Russian weaponry. If you have seen any photo that resembles Kornet or Metis-M tubes, feel free to point me to it. Note that the tubes are disposed of after firing, so there should be plenty of these in the mountains if the accusations are true.

If I am correct, however, the articles like the one quoted in the post appear to be simply a smokescreen designed to achieve one or more of the propaganda goals:

a) divert attention from the bad tactics used by IDF that resulted in the losses from mostly obsolete Hezbollah antitank arsenal

b) put attention onto Syria and divert it from one of the American allies that recently shipped American-made TOWs to Hezbollah

c) blame Russian and Iranian shipments of weapons to Syria for Israeli problems. This might be helpful to certain groups within our (US) political spectrum that attempt to draw us into an attack on Iran.

Technologist
http://real-questions.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Technologist at September 6, 2006 11:27 AM


McKnight-
Thermobaric weapons have little effect on buttoned AFVs, beyond damaging "soft" parts on the exterior such as antennas or rucksacks. It takes HEAT (or an EFP) to dent a Merkava.

Posted by: TrustButVerify at August 25, 2006 12:00 AM


Sorry but isn't it Israel who recently bought Lockheed Hellcat Thermobaric missiles from the US? I think these claims are misdirected, it's Isreal that is guilty of using such weaponary, with many civillian casualties resulting.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14530.htm

Posted by: don at August 23, 2006 02:39 PM


Interesting post, and also interesting followup comments. Either way (thermobaric weapons or not), this points to a need to invest U.S. dollars into body armor that can be of use rather than a detriment with thermobaric weapons. I post of this at my page.

Posted by: Herschel Smith at August 23, 2006 08:55 AM



Good find, Observer - as you say if correct, this would explain the how the incident could have occurred without a thermobaric warhead.

Posted by: David Hambling at August 22, 2006 02:21 PM


From http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3288870,00.html
"Shortly after 1 p.m. Hizbullah gunmen fired several missiles at a structure in which the soldiers were staying. One missile hit the building, causing an arms cache to explode. Several soldiers were hurt as a result. A short while later, the structure partially collapsed, and a few other troops were hurt as well."

Not a thermobaric arsenal, just coincedence of war

Posted by: timid observer at August 22, 2006 01:50 PM


I'm no expert but I think it means to have all the hatches closed etc. etc.

So would it be safe to say that these munitions could easily disable/destroy the Israeli Merkva ?

Posted by: McKnight at August 22, 2006 11:49 AM


Given Hezbolla's willingness to stage some atrocities to blame on the IDF, I can see them using a few teams of Pasdran gunners with Kornets et al as man portable physics packages wer reputed to have been deployed by the US, in extremely controlled conditions.

Posted by: west_rhino at August 22, 2006 10:26 AM


Robert Zimmerman's assertion that "a bronze medal in military technology earns a developing military a place at the winner's podium, while failure to acquire high technology does not" is as true today as it was in 1994.

In the end, it doesn't really matter whether Hezbollah had 10-year old Kornets and Metis-Ms versus 30 year-old Spigots and Spandrels. Either vintage of technology can inflict serious damage on a military that is not prepared for it. A key mistake often made by the military planners of developed countries is that they focus too much attention on countering "gold medal" technologies.

The knowledge and components needed for technologies, such as SACLOS or chemical thermobarics, have been readily available for years. I wouldn't surprise me if a fairly sophisticated guerilla group like Hezbollah could get their hands on "bronze-medal" weapons without the direct support of Syria or Iran.

Posted by: Robot.Economist at August 22, 2006 09:53 AM


There have been a host of photographs of Israeli-captured Hezbollah weaponry on the internet, and not once has a Kornet-E or Metis-M been identified among the crop of captured anti-tank missiles- just old AT-4s/AT-5 SPIGOTs/SPANDRELs and TOWs. This is a myth (similar, unsubstantiated claims were made by the US during the Iraq 2003 invasion) until actual photographic evidence of same is released, in my opinion.

Posted by: Doz at August 22, 2006 08:50 AM


close the hatches, so the air dosent get sucked out of the vehicle.

Posted by: Jordan at August 22, 2006 08:34 AM


Excuse my ignorance, but what does it mean to "button down" an armored vehicle?

Posted by: Eric Hundman at August 22, 2006 08:20 AM


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