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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Body Armor on Track

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The investigative arm of Congress released an updated report Friday on the status of the U.S. military’s body armor acquisition efforts and the effectiveness of the armor the services’ are fielding.

The reports were conducted at the behest of the U.S. Comptroller General - the head of the Government Accountability Office – after news reports brought to light shortfalls in armor fielding and flaws in testing that resulted in tens of thousands of vest sent to the war zone that had not passed spec during quality assurance testing.

The latest GAO report found the Army and Marine Corps had effectively revamped their testing regimen and raised their specifications to meet emerging threats in the combat zone. It also marked one of the first times that a government entity has stated formally that the new Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert plates, or ESAPI, were developed to address the threat of armor piercing 7.62 rounds.

During my reporting on this issue, the services threatened me with everything short of a shank in a dark alley if I revealed the reasons behind the ESPAI buy. Specifically, the Marine Corps had a plate in its hands (that I knew about) with a hole in it from an armor-piercing round around the first of the year in 2005. They shared the plate with Army ballistics experts, who were concerned by the penetration as well.

The plate was examined at ballistics labs, including HP White in Street, Md., where the Army prefers to do its ballistic tests. Tungsten-carbide residue was found in the impact zone, leading experts to conclude the armor-piercing round penetration.

Thus the rush for ESAPI began…

The services seem to have gotten their act together when it comes to specifications and testing, the GAO report shows. Congressional auditors did mention, however, an initiative by the Pentagon’s office for operational test and evaluation to standardize the Army/Marine Corps testing regime - which is slightly different and conducted at separate NIJ-certified testing sites – that will be put into place in 2007.

-- Christian

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I think Dragon scale is good but is quite heavy and does not take incerible amout of hits maybe 10 at best. A newer amour from Defend-X is much better it is like hard plates in shape and size but thats were the similaries end. I saw a video on you tube of it taking 63 5.56 nato green tip rounds before even dinting on the back. The armour has two plates with some for of rino lining on them and sandwiched in beteween them is a balsitic foam. any way it looks like the best amour out there right now.

Posted by: Chris at November 4, 2007 07:27 PM


Dragon Skin makes all kind of claims, but nobody wants to wear a 47+ lbs vest. Pinnacle avoids this issue like the plague. Go look at their latest entertainment video showing off their Level V vest. It is hideous and looks like the thickness of a New York City phonebook. You be the judge.

Posted by: William at May 30, 2007 08:53 PM


Sarge,

I know you believe that DS is superior, and with a reasoable redesign it very well may be the next generation of armor for our combined military. But please bear in mind that there are a few things that have been discussed on these sites and elsewhere that outline some concerns as well. These are real concerns, and in the next few months they are going to be explored thouroughly. If it's the real deal you'll see it, but those penetration from the Army test range weren't flukes, and although I have first hand knowledge that Pinnacle has made some revisions, there are still concerns that need to be tested that haven't changed. I don't believe that Karl Masters and company are corrupt, and I do believe that the Army should be able to test the armor at an independant lab to a degree that includes excelerated age testing. Expansion contraction and repeated flexing are key issues for this type of armor. The NIJ invented a whole new protocol for flexible scalar armor, and in fact I don't think it goes far enough, but I am confident that the Army wants to ensure DS Armor is completely safe for tough military conditions.

Do you think I am wrong?

Posted by: Allan D. Bain at May 29, 2007 10:43 PM


As a soldier currently serving in Iraq, I want the best. According to tests from H.P. White, U.S. Test Labs, and Aberdeen test center, Dragon Skin beats Interceptor in Several categories. These include: Ballistic Performance, Weight, Flexibility, Multi-hit Capability, Durability, Back-face Deformation, Ergonomics, and Edge Hit Capability. This testing was done with level 4 ESAPI in the interceptor and the latest Dragon Skin(SOV-3000) That being the case, I want Dragon Skin.

Posted by: Sarge at May 18, 2007 08:58 PM


I just don't see a controversy, the price tag from a budgetary standpoint combined with the "shove it down your throat" sales tactics by Pinnacle Armor is a sure fire formula to inspire the the Army to just invest in better interceptor models, and thats what they did. In fact they have a newer Boron Carbide coming down the pike that has better fracture toughness, we intend on using it thats for sure.

The newest interceptor vest is a nice unit.

Posted by: Allan Bain at May 12, 2007 12:30 AM


Willie, we have protective gear, and the FN P90 is a personal defense weapon, not an assault rifle. It fires a pistol-caliber cartridge, with a max effective range of 200m, which is far from equivalent to the current M16/M4 family of weapon systems.

Posted by: Slab at May 3, 2007 07:41 PM


I'd like to see a movement to boycott recruiting more troops until we can get them the protective gear they need, and some descent weapons like the FN P90 bullpup assault rifles. There's a lot of good technology out there.

We should leave Iraq so they can have a good descent civil war and earn their freedom the old fashioned way so they might actually appreciate what we've handed them on a silver platter already.

Posted by: Willie at May 3, 2007 03:12 PM


Having seen, in person, Dragonskin fail test after test after test at HP White, color me a bit skeptical about the Dragonskin boosters here and elsewhere in the community...

Posted by: Greg D at May 3, 2007 12:15 PM


One great Technolagy about the dragon skin is the fact that just about the intire vest is "bullet proof." This can be incoperated with other vest to make the sholders and sides armored against bullets, not just shrapnel.

Posted by: Mike at May 1, 2007 02:04 PM


Yeah Ben, but what about the weight?

Posted by: Grandjester at May 1, 2007 01:39 PM


Having worn a dragon skin before I'd rather wear an interceptor.
Weight.... I carry enough gear already..
Mobility... getting your weapon shouldered wearing the neck guard sucks. Not to mention weight makes moving quick a shitty mess.
Did I mention weight?

Posted by: Ben at May 1, 2007 11:24 AM


I agree with grandjester we should do a blending of armor or something so we can get this debate over with and just get the guys some decent armor that offers better coverage, is lighter weight, brethable, and can save some lives!

Posted by: Sheldon at May 1, 2007 10:46 AM


Watched Gunny Ermey unload a full AK mag at the Dragon Skin (didn't say what type of ammo) at damn near point blank with zero penetrations on Mail Call. Not scientific to be sure but damn, looked good. I realize that these manufacturers are all trying to make a buck, but isn't there some point where the military steps up and says, we like this other system, but gosh darn can we license the Dragon Skin scale system to replace the current plate system (may be a bad example, but would like to see some sharing/blending of the technologies for max benefit for our dudes).

Posted by: Grandjester at May 1, 2007 10:37 AM



Well, the DragonSkin nay-sayers are certainly out, but why not have proper testing in the open (without any vested interests being involved this time) and get the facts?

As I recall DargonSkin's robustness - it doesn't break when you drop it - was another big plus. As for cost, are we comparing like with like? Order 10,000 DrangonSkins and I suspect you'd start getting some economies of scale kicking in.

Looking forward to Christian's posting...

Posted by: Wembley at May 1, 2007 07:50 AM


And don't forget the lamination failing in tempratures above 120 degrees, DragonSkin is one shiny peice of marketing that's for sure, but proven reliable tech should certainly win out over slick advertising shouldn't it?

Posted by: preban at May 1, 2007 05:36 AM


Dragonskin
- doubts concerning effectvenes at certain angles
- better coverage than most vests
- apparently able to stop 7.62x54mmR ball but not AP (most extreme, quite expensive and not common cartridge ... being fired almost only by SVDs and PKs)
- expensive
- a bit flexible

If the Army just doesn't want it, they should simply produce an official video and send it to YouTube. An Interceptor stopping 7.62x54mmR AP fired with SVD and a Dragonskin that doesn't.

But despite even 'specialists' for Powerpoint creation, they are apparently unable to play the 'public opinion' game.

Posted by: Sven Ortmann at April 30, 2007 10:53 PM


Seeing that The Amazing and Revolutionary Dragon Skin armor can't pass NIJ Level IV testing I decline to drink the kool-aid. Videotaped "demos", gushing endorsements and "secret" test results are what late night rip-off artists use to seperate suckers from their money. Why should we believe them in this case?

Posted by: Kevin at April 30, 2007 10:08 PM


Billy Big Spuds,
Interceptor with ESAPIs will defeat 7.62X54R API ammunition. Even before the days of ESAPI it would defeat 7.62X54R, which is used in enemy sniper rifles and medium machineguns. The average insurgent is armed with an AK47, firing 7.62X39mm. The Interceptor and SAPI plate combo has been successfully defeating that threat since 2003.

Christian, I look forward to your piece on Dragon Skin. I think there is a lot of misinformation and conjecture out there regarding body armor, which leads to incorrect statements like the ones made by Billy.

Posted by: Slab at April 30, 2007 07:07 PM


There are only 2 things with Dragon Skin. Little protection from extreme angles, and price. Other than that, The Army and USMC need to get their s*** together and get Dragon Skin. I mean, we're not discussin sunglasses or holsters here, here dealin with essential life-saving equiptment. And whats the point of usin armour that wont stop a 7.62, especially when thats what the bad guys are usin.

Posted by: Billy Big Spuds at April 30, 2007 05:28 PM


Just a thought on the dragonskin http://op-for.com/2007/04/marine_corps_publishes_new_pol.html - more over the link to the professional soldiers website.

Posted by: carl at April 30, 2007 04:40 PM


Guys,

I've got a lot to say (and some pretty in-depth reporting done) on the Dragon Skin. Lemme make some more calls and I'll post something on the latest on Dragon Skin development and the rumbling controversy...

I'm on it!

Christian

Posted by: Christian at April 30, 2007 03:22 PM



All the signs are that Pinnacle's Dragonskin was rejected for all the wrong reasons - 'not invented here' - and really deserves a better look.

Does it have any champions here?

Posted by: Wembley at April 30, 2007 02:38 PM


Christian,

Just like you've opened a ball of wax with the M4 issue, thank God for that too, perhaps it's time a little sunshine should be brought to the body armor issue and the fiasco behind the rejection of Dragon Skin body armor. Here's yet another piece of equipment that has shown is better that what the troops currently have yet it's not being fielded for who knows what reason.

Posted by: nick at April 30, 2007 02:17 PM


Now if only they'd give Pinnacle a fair trial.

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