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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Doc-ex on CSAR-X

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The Pentagon watchdogs over at the Project on Government Oversight got their hands on an interesting piece of paper that seems to show the Air Force ignored shortfalls in the version of the CH-47 submitted by Boeing for the controversial CSAR-X competition.

From the looks of the Government Accountability Office document, evaluators failed to weigh the Chinook’s time-consuming reconfiguration after transport aboard a C-17 Globemaster III. Nick Schwellenbach at POGO writes a solid investigative report on what the document disclosure could mean.

According to the GAO, the Chinook came within a hair's width of not making its deployability requirement -- and even that is in question. In a flight demonstration in December 2005, it took the Boeing team 2 hours and 58 minutes to get the Chinook "flight ready," just two minutes shy of the 3 hour maximum threshold.

However, Boeing's build-up time did not include required maintenance and the installation of an item necessary for flight. Despite this Boeing "ultimately was found not deficient" in the key performance parameter of deployability. Was it really flight ready within 3 hours?

GAO explained that "the solicitation did not provide for a pass/fail flight demonstration that would be conclusive as to whether the proposed CSAR-X met the SRD requirements"--an explanation that seems to suck the meaning of the word "requirement."

Our friend Mike Goldfarb over at the Worldwide Standard put together a pretty good primer in the CSAR-X program and how the awarding of the contract to Boeing was called into question by GAO. But still missing is what exactly was on the Air Force’s mind when they picked the huge – and hugely capable – CH-47 Chinook for what was supposed to be a medium-sized solution to the aging HH-60 Pave Hawk.

Though the Air Force’s top officer was quoted before the decision as lukewarm to the Boeing helo, he recently threw his weight solidly behind the Chinook – at least in the interest of getting something out there quickly.

“The notion of a continued protest, the notion of continued lawyers and admin and messing with this is not right from the operational side when you’re fighting a war,” Moseley said April 24. “So we need to get on with this program. This is not about lawyers, this is not about companies - this is about operational capability that will pick up Airmen, Soldiers, Sailors and Marines and coalition partners.”

Moseley went on to almost prejudice the medium-weight competitors, laying out a scenario where ranges, payloads and altitudes meant only the 47 could accomplish the mission.

“If you want to fly the distances we’re flying in Afghanistan and Iraq you’ve got to put a fuel cell in the back. If you put a fuel cell in the back, you got to take the PJ out, you can’t put a litter in the back. The HH-60 is unsat in the world that we’re operating in,” Moseley said.

“…At the end of the day this is about picking somebody up at 300 to 400 miles in an opposed area where people just shot you down. … That’s why we need this helicopter.”

Though the back-and-forth between the Air Force and GAO does delay the fielding of the CSAR-X platform, the contract protest should scrub the process to help eventually provide rescuers with truly the helicopter they were looking for.

-- Christian

Comments

One thing for cetain is that the maintenance on an H-47 is more intense than on the H-96. I hearde that specification in the original RFP was changed at the last minute and this allowed the H-47 in the competetion. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. "If AFSOC had not been the owner of the CSARX program at the time of selection, I belive the decsion would have been different." Furthermore, if you ask any AF maintainer which one thye would prefer. I promise it would not be the H-47. Clearly, they know what the maintenace effort will be when compared to the S-96.

Posted by: T Cain at May 29, 2008 04:13 PM


so what about the vh71 augusta/westland !

Posted by: julian bonney at December 20, 2007 11:20 AM


"the contract protest should scrub the process to help eventually provide rescuers with truly the helicopter they were looking for.

-- Christian May 7, 2007 06:30 AM"

What the "Rescuers" were looking for was clearly spelled out in the System Requirement Document that all vendors used to build their proposals.

The Rescue community insisted they needed every bell and whistle on the planet built into a machine capable of carrying a significant payload over an ambitious range at high temp's and high altitudes.

For any who complain of the choice...the fault, if any comes back to the requirements themselves...or in other words: Be careful of what you ask for...you may get it.

Posted by: Artie 82 at May 17, 2007 10:49 PM


Boeing withdrew the Ospray because of concerns with its rate of decent caused by the rotar vortex problems. Also, the rotar wash when hovering is said to be very bad. Instead boeing proposed the "medium sized" CH-47. I would like to see how the Air Force reviewed the S-92.

Posted by: Jeff at May 7, 2007 12:05 PM


Bell Boeing V-22 retired from CSAR-X competition

"After thorough review of the revised Air Force request for proposal, it was clear that the CSAR-X program's requirements and funding profile did not call for the advanced speed and range offered by the V-22 Osprey, and instead leaned toward capabilities found in more-traditional helicopter-type aircraft."

http://www.helis.com/news/2005/v22csarx.htm

In a prior post here on DT, this was said:

"The Osprey was actually a player for CSAR-X until they re-wrote the requirements specifically to keep it out."

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003442_comments.html

Posted by: bespoke at May 7, 2007 12:02 PM


Don't suppose they looked at the Ospray for this task , did they?

Posted by: Charlie at May 7, 2007 08:48 AM


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