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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

McCain and Levin Step In

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The debate over Dragon Skin went political with the late-in-the-day release of a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates from top Senate Armed Services Committee lawmakers.

The letter asks Gates to take the Dragon Skin testing up a notch, requesting that his research and engineering guru, John Young, hold his own tests to determine the “facts regarding the protective qualities of the body armor we are currently providing our troops and that of any other commercially available comparable and competing system.”

Download the Levin/McCain letter here.

This is an interesting turn of events because the letter also calls into question the Army’s testing methodology for body armor effectiveness.

Recent press reports raise questions about the fairness and reliability of Army tests of a commercially available body armor and whether it fails, meets, or exceeds the military's ballistic protection requirements.

The Pentagon and the individual services began a total overhaul of their test methodology in late 2005 after stories emerged that failed lots of Point Blank-made Interceptor body armor were shipped to troops despite failed quality assurance tests.

Whether or not McCain and Levin’s letter prompts a more favorable view of Dragon Skin in the DoD is perhaps a more minor point to the chances their efforts might put to rest once and for all the debate over exactly how to test and evaluate body armor.

For years, the Army tested it armor at HP White and US Labs – two civilian owned and run ballistics test facilities. Their motive was to banish any idea that they somehow swayed the results. I don’t know a whole lot about US Labs, but I’ve spoken with the owner of HP White and he calls the tests as he sees them.

On the other hand, the Marine Corps for years tested its armor at Aberdeen Proving Ground - an Army facility. When lots of vests were failed at Aberdeen, the Corps took those vests to HP White and they passed. Then the service shipped them to troops despite the original adverse results. So, which test facility is better?

And, oh, who tested the purported CIA Dragon Skin vests? What model were they? It’s my understanding the SOV3000 (Level IV) is a relatively new design. The National Institute of Justice do not test to the level the Army does on armor-piercing resistant plates. So, there’s a third variance in the whole equation.

Hopefully this controversy can force the services to come up with a universal testing regimen with credibility that can also be used by other government agencies so at least some of the doubt over who’s got the best armor can be erased.

-- Christian

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Posted by: Allan D. Bain at June 1, 2007 11:34 PM


I'm not sure if I would be pointing the finger at Mr. Neal, calling him side-show Neal. I would guess that all the media attention, both entertainment related and news related has been initiated by the media.
In other words I highly doubt that Mr Neal is setting up these tests. If I was Mr. Neal and various tv shows contacted me wanting to demonstrate the ballistic capabilities of my product I would certainly comply.
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that makes a lot of sense, why dont you put the navy in charge of the army while you are at it. I think the guy who has been testing all the armor systems should keep testing new systems. This is the second or third time that PEO Soldier tested Dragon Skin. The first time they used a wire to hold the discs together and it came apart, this time it was a glue failure. The Army didn't make the armor, Pinnacle did. We still don't know how SOCOM testing came out since they didn't buy any after they tested it either. But the lack of a procurement and a ban by SOCOM a year before the Army ban should speak volumes. Special Operations soldiers are not easily fooled,

Posted by: William at May 25, 2007 08:47 PM


I would also hope this time the Interceptor Program Manager is excused from overseeing testing the rival product.

While in no way would I suggest any impropriety on his behalf the perception of conflict-of-interest presented is doing considerable damage to the Army's claim of no-bias objective testing.

Posted by: John Smith at May 23, 2007 02:01 PM


The requirments the CIA have would be different than the army/marines.

While the CIA is probably more of a 'short term' interests.. where their specialists might be only fighting for a year or so... the army has to worry about logistics and shelf life.... I know this was pointed out before... but it would be interesting to see what happens next.

Posted by: Foreign.Boy at May 23, 2007 11:48 AM


Great continued coverage-- so many questions.

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