You could call this "Awakening USA" also. For years we have been asleep, had our head in the sand, to many powerful figures focused on personal greed, or just dead heads. The old USSR was a limited threat, but they knew war was unwinable suiside. Since 1954 the PRIMARY THREAT has been Communist China, I prefer calling it "Occupied China" (criple their police state and see how long they last). Why is it so important for them to eliminate Formosa and the Chiness Government. We have been at war with them since they invaded Korea and the cease fire in Korea. Year after year they have practiced "War with the United States." Our government just pretends they're not... and never ceases to play the fool who provides them technology and information. THINK! What one country in the world is capable of engaging in thermonucular war? Who can loose hundreds of millions of people and comeout ahead? There was never a time when that answer was the now defunct USSR. Why are they now going for "Boomers" and "Super Carriers?" AND WE ARE FUNDING IT! Lets get some chatter going and see if we can get our leaders to smell the roses.

Posted by: JMMC62 at August 16, 2007 11:09 AM

I hate to say it but, this all comes as no surprise to me. I remember way back in 1973 discussing how we as a nation will sell arms technology to anyone for a dollar. All of those who were so glad that China and Russia opened up to us were really short sighted. Politically, neither nation has ever been our true friend or ally and will use whatever we willing sell or give them against us in the very near future.
In the meantime we can always stay focused on the real important things in life such as, what will Paris Hilton and Britney Spears do next.
Oh, and don't forget, we keep talking about downsizing our military yet, we keep expanding the mission while our future enemies keep rebuilding..

Posted by: Kenneth Smith at June 21, 2007 08:19 AM

How is it that the only ones who really say this is in no way Fn right! are the proverbial us. That is the us that pays for the best develople technology the us's tax money can buy ...so it can be given away by the proverbial they who could care less about us. WE get nuked not them..They are ferried out by the fastest helo-s available to be sequestered in the bowels of the deepest mountain refuge in North Carolina. WE are left on the surface to "fend for ourselves". Talk about expendable. So how do we change the situation? Can't tell you. Wish I knew. Course if I did know how to create this much needed change and I did convey the knowledge of how to make the change happen, you know in your heart of hearts that I and the knowledge of change and any one else I conveyed it to would be disappeared.....pooof...all gone..the proverbial they have their game plan and we all know they will not be denied their particular game their way....ironically money knows no nationality..so watch that old old flick CATCH 22...and relize that WE have never mattered to THEM as anything other than a nemisis to their body de politica. While working at the 32 st Naval Station in
San Diego (Headquaters for the PAC Fleet) I read in the Navy Times online about the billions of dollars in Logitics Development that went into the new Materials Disbursment Facility in Hawii at Pearl. This was mucho mucho state of the art replenishment, long distance style, to turn fleet redeployment around in record time for guaranteed much more on station time....THEY invited the Red Chinese Navy to test bed OUR latest and greatest Tax dollar expenditure.. Their response (RED CHINESE) to this expierence (they replenished a destroyer task force) was to knock down one of newly refurbed ,highly classified Orion Survalence Aircraft, force landing it at one of their airbases, stripping it clean of everything electronic and harassing our crew and government. Guess they weren't impressed with our ability to overcome replnishment issues in regards to our carrier groups being a valid continious threat???...or a threat at all......see you all at the big one Adios mi Amigos

Posted by: AARDVARK at June 6, 2007 09:34 AM

i hear a chines sub surfaced right next to one of our carriers in us waters. It's time to re-evaluate nuclear war.. the chines have our silent props now. they have a operative wu female at stanford university a week ago who was stealing our wireless car technology. She is missing now.

Posted by: Max Anderson at June 5, 2007 11:48 AM

Historically, once again, the prophecies of the bible are about to come true. In all of the future prophecies discussing the end times, America is NOT mentioned because there is NO America to speak of. This is not a doomsday scream, but a wake up call. In the final minutes of history, we as a people, not just Americans, but the whole human race, need to evaluate our spiritual bankruptcy and turn to the one true God who will bring us triumphantly through this mess we have created. It will be China and Russia combined who will deal America it's death blow as foretold in the old testament of the bible, Ezekiel 38,39 written in 587 b.c.

Posted by: samm at June 5, 2007 10:19 AM

LADIES AND GENTS,

THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP HAD BETTER IMPROVE IT'S THINKING AND IT'S PRIORITIES, ASAP.

Posted by: ontime at June 3, 2007 02:25 PM

Ah what can I say? Another heart breaking truth to the sad reality that the people in Washington and the Idiot liberals who support them, don't give a crap about the real dangers that we face. We are too busy making sure that Illegel immergents are getting good if not better privilages than citizens, Making sure that Imams are not offended when they do their prayers on a public airplane, and cutting of the funding for troops in the middle of a war. Yup those are the more important things to worry about. Lets just have peace. Yea thats the answer peace not war. why don't we just wave the white flag and hand over our nation to the first taker: oh yea that is what we're doing.

Posted by: USS Chalenger at June 3, 2007 10:54 AM

If you really want some interesting reading try a book titled, Unrestricted Warfare. I was written by two of China's Col. Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui of the People's Liberation Army. It is boaring as hell but has a lot of interesting ideas for screwing up the world of the US.
The above repo0rt even falls into one of the catagories covered in this book. READ IT.

Posted by: Fred at June 3, 2007 09:08 AM

THANK GOD! Finally, someone's saying SOMETHING about our real enemies!
Is there any group anyone knows of that I could join to address alerting Americans to Chinas imminent War on America?
Secondly, does anyone know of ANY Presidential Candidate willing to stand up to these rats?

Posted by: John S. Freel at June 2, 2007 09:51 AM

Whats wrong with Fox News Bill ? lol The truth hurt ?

Posted by: Roy McKenzie at June 1, 2007 10:17 PM

Ladies and gentleman make no mistake the Dragon and the Bear are looking to partner up in the very,very near future to strike America and her interests world-wide. Play this out.......Iran doesn't use the Bomb in Isreal, but on our 180,000 plus troops in the region.....immediately The Dragon puts its FULL Navy on "alert" but in actually they are steaming east....1 of the 87 missing suitcase nukes from the bear then goes off in LA because we have the most open border in the World....OPEC suspends all oil trade with US.....hackers hit our computer systems....and you can see where this is going. Folks they will try and invade us...question is how far will we go to stop them?????

Posted by: William at June 1, 2007 03:06 PM

Sadly, the Sunburn missle is a reality. Much data is available regarding its performance profile online or at Jane's. I suspect it is not mentioned more in a public forum based on its devistating abilities. BTW it was alledged to have been offered by its developers to our DOD but nixed in part w/ the help of Mr. Clinton.

Posted by: Chris at June 1, 2007 10:23 AM

I never thought for one minute that the Dragon was asleep. There has been enough articles to confirm a pre-war, or pre-strike stance and they are getting closer everyday. I believe in the carrier strike groups, but as it's predessor the battleship, I see the carrier becoming more vurnable every day. It has not been long since the surprise of a chinese sub came close enough to the carrier group to have destroyed half of it before they even knew what hit them. Years ago our forefathers took steps to keep wars from space, but I am affraid it is already here, and it is only logical. Aircraft and surface ships are in there twilight, as more powerful, unstoppable, space launched weapons become more available every day, with the Russians anouncing their unstoppable penetrating missle just yesterday. It is time the American people wake up, and realize the a pre-empted strike of some sort is just across the horizon.
How soon we react may be the balance of power and freedom. I can see so clearly as though it has already happened, and feel helpless to stop it. Not an alarmist, just a realist.

Posted by: Mike Schofield at June 1, 2007 09:25 AM

Whoever has the most money wins, and China has been buying up most of ours. We need to hold them to their part of the bargain on economic agreements. Clinton's administration initiated new economic development for China in the interest of peace, but we see now the consequences of "our" naivety. Legislative action to bring their currency to fair-market-value is long overdue.

Posted by: PhilLeech at June 1, 2007 08:15 AM

I have yet to read entirely or to fully ingest the current DOD report on Chinas Milatary Power. However, there never seems to be any mention of a little device called a "Sun-Burn Missle" that the Chicoms cooked up a few years back to defeat an entire carrier battle group with one shot. It is suppose to be a nuke tipped skimmer with lots and lots of range.

Supposedly, when we were getting pretty close to confirming its actual existence we seem to have lost a snooper P-3 in an airel "accident" with a Chicom Mig-21.

How much of this is true? I must admit that I do not know. I only know that the story has had long legs and that I say an extensive prayer for our sea service people every single day on the chance that even 1% of it has some merit!

Posted by: john douglas robertson at June 1, 2007 02:44 AM

China has become economically ambitious and siding with Russias weapons as a partner while building their own military and we know for a fact they are.Make no mistake gentlemen,the dragon is loose and it bears the color of prewar intent.Most likely a confrontation with Taiwan first or a backer of N Koreas ill intent phasing away with Chinas get along policy.But then again these would be signs of exertion of force,yet I do not see these as a first strike territory other than where the US military is stationed.Chinas worry is plainly American influence in the world as is the Russians and Arabs.We are in fact very close to Russia on all sides and I can imagine they might feel closed in like our Cuba fiasco.So Chinas paranoia is plausible for notice.The only thing I do see about Chinas slow plodding way of changing the balance will come about economically and the building of force I believe is to match Russia who they gladly say they cooperate but in history says different and old feelings die hard.China has not the bears miltary might but has the numbers for massive troops and not to shabby a missle program.they have the capability to knock out satellites and I keep asking if theres a backup in case they are hit but to no answer.The general answer and then led to another what we have info is all I get.But no solid yes we have a backup in place, answer.If China truly wants to strike Id say it is in the planning stages or already hatched out in a scenario.Implemented?Unsure,but you can bet we had better have backup and in my want a few hundred missle bearing subs.Rising out of the sea to strike is the answer to mobile launching platforms land based and a whole lot more stealthy.China? Id say soon will be a military problem if their income from America drops off from most favored nation status.Besides we got Iran to worry about which in my mind is a major problem that makes Iraq look like a backyard play.Its time to start flushing out the hunters double time.Afghanistan is a waste with al quedas locals support waning over the peoples there.I know I know but the main theme is all tied together ,defeat Iraqs numerous militants and force Iran since we know theyve had their nuclear program going on in secret for over 30 some years then brandishing it in our faces we do know by their current administrative will continue to build their bomb of allah Id say to unleash on Israel with miltary strikes rushing in right after the "Lob"but while Alqueda is another faction they are really all of one issue.To destroy Israel,America,Britain and all western influences as is Russia N Korea and China and now part of latin America beginning with their new imposed madman Chavez.China whacks satellites?Yes Id say a coordinated effort with other nations, America can be brought asunder.With no backup relying on GPS communications ect.Shutting down Americas communications causing panic would be actually easily done.With our borders and lax protection of civil areas and moreover no plan,America is an easy target.We are just lucky they havent figured out just how to put it all together to do it,when they do....

Posted by: michael at June 1, 2007 12:53 AM

China has a lot of internal issues such as pollution: food; water; and air. Are they addressing them as well as us? No, not near as well and for that they must invest and forego other involvements to survive as a healthy group. If they continue to go hardline on social issues vs. military spending (which they are presently doing), they could be a heap of trouble and we may have to acquiesce on Taiwan to keep the peace. Focusing heartedly on the social issues however would keep them occupied and spending a lot of bucks in a cleanup and less time to study war. I agree with earlier statements on the site that we have them outgunned in most ways military vis-a-vis for many years to come, but in more subtle ways, such as economic ventures in South America, the Caribbean, and elsewhere, they can make life miserable for our global activities. I pray that we have better intelligence analysis on China than we had on other scenarios recently. Lots of great comments in the site. Thanks to everyone.

Posted by: J A Jones at June 1, 2007 12:14 AM

Gentlemen... great posts... The Shiite force in Iran is our real worry - why do I say that? Shiites are poised to move on Turkey, Egypt and Jordan. Germany and Turkey will become Shiite strongholds and move as well. Iran will take the weapons that Saddam has stored away and move through Jordan in an attempt to destroy Israel. Saddam moved the weapons out of his country when the earthquake struck 3 months before the US attacked. Over 50 plane loads of "foreign aid" were delivered by Saddam - on the advice of a top Russian commander. The Iranian President has already stated that he has had visions and the time is near for him to attack. Iran has to go through Jordan to hit the Israel nation. Russia and China will work together in the future to strike, but they will come straight across Asia. The United States will have already pulled out of the area (in order for Iran to move forward, Iraq must be toppled).

Posted by: Dcyp4 at June 1, 2007 12:11 AM

Thank God they have most favored nation status. I need to run down to Wal-Mart and send them some more money so they can do us in a few years down the road.

Posted by: Willie at May 30, 2007 02:21 PM

Good Morning Folks,

It's Federal budget time again I see and the Taiwan lobby is back. What is it now, more Destroyers, F-16's or to make good on the Clinton era promise of five non nuclear submarines (the Clintons were not aware that the last non nuclear submsrine was built in 1958. While many of them were still sh**ting in diapers).

It is a fools folly to try and guess the intent of any country, reference England in 1911, when war with germany was impossable because there was just to much German investment in the Great Britain and the Kaiser was family to King George V.

China has many domestic as well as regional problems to deal with. A build up of or a shifting of millitary assets of the military such as what it is, is not unreasonable. If you are really concerned about China's intentions watch where the 2ed. Artillery Corp. is. The new budget has 400K more troops and 100 more missiles allocated to that command but the HQ elimate is still 500Km. inland, when it moves again to the coast Chia is trying to make a statement. But before you get exited there is no increase in the 1.4 million PLA or in the size of the PLA Missile Force.

Again this appears to be all about money, U.S. tax payers money to prop up Taiwan, the same story has been being told since 1949.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Posted by: Byron Skinner at May 30, 2007 12:33 PM

I enjoy this website. But everything that has been said or written here about China's present course and military build-up and intentions have been published in my book 2 years ago.
GIDEON'S TRUMPET by Jack Key is available at Amazon.com, other online bookstores and local outlets. The book goes quite a bit further in it's discussions of China, and both Cuba and China are principals. A potential nuclear exchange between the U.S. and China is also portrayed. The book research was extensive, and took over 5 years to complete.

Posted by: Jack Key at May 30, 2007 09:26 AM

As memory recalls, I believe China has already tested an anti-sat weapon last year...successfully I might add.
As for shutting down the internet...I'm not even sure that possible, hackers in other countries have tried before...I believe its happen twice (that I know of)...obviously, failed both times.

Is China a threat....absolutely...but we already out gun them in every scenario...they are not a current threat...maybe in 20+ years...but currently we need to stay focused on smaller countries like Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, etc. There's certainly no shortage of enemies out there.

To Bill: Yes, Fox News is slightly biased towards the right wing...but lets be serious...the left wing media dominates the net, newspapers, & tv (CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, ect.).

Posted by: murc at May 29, 2007 11:30 PM

WHAT ELSE IS NEW THE US. IS LIKE A TROUBLED HUSBAND LOOKING FOR A QUICK LOAN AFTER SQUANDERING HIS PAY CHECK. CHINA IS NOT THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT ARE HOLDING "BONDS" AGAINST THE US.

Posted by: JOSEPH DIGGS SR at May 29, 2007 10:40 PM

Sorry, for clarification - WOT = War on Terror I assume? I'm not saying we aren't spending a lot of money, but the $200 billion+ is a relatively small amount when your economy is over $10 trillion and growing at a healthy pace. We spend far more keeping fat alcoholic smokers alive - which of course leads to the logical conclusion that fat alcoholic smokers must be terrorists.

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True, they have us by the balls on the bonds thing...but ultimately we have them by the heart (and the purse-strings). It's the 21st century MAD! But you can live without balls.

Posted by: Elijah at May 29, 2007 10:02 PM

For years the chinese of course has lied about there military spending!! But millions of Americans dont realize, if not care about this issue....They feel that they are safe at home, lests not forget about pear harbor and 9/11....But as normal many are aware, including the President of the United States, George Bush.... But he takes little notice with his "fast track trade agreements" and "NAFTA", and cares little if not at all with the recent scandal with the spying some Chinese Americans have done lately....so give it time and the most powerful nation in the world, the United States will no longer be the most powerful and hold the status as the worlds last standing "Super Power"....The Chinese will soon walk right over us ...

Posted by: shawn at May 29, 2007 09:14 PM

The problem is we sold a few or a lot of our bonds to china. So if we go against them they might withdraw that bonds and cripple our economy, which will ultimately affect our war fighting capability. As of now we're losing money a lot in WOT.

Posted by: sensui at May 29, 2007 08:53 PM

I think it's a given that no sane person is planning on invading mainland China anytime soon. In that case, isn't being able to fight in the mud irrelevant (in regards to preparing to fight China)?

Say that this report is true and China is developing tech to neutralize our satellite advantage and take down our infrastructure via the Internet. In such a scenario, conventional forces are impotent - or in other words - technology is indeed everything - technology to counteract this assymetric type of war. (I hope that made sense)

If it's not true, eh, well a few billion dollars down the drain and a lot of employment for some computer programmers. I remember reading an earlier post - I think it was about justifying the cost of the Raptor - we are so bad at predicting and preparing for the next war, so in that case, why not be ready for all of them? It's not like we can't afford to. I mean, for instance despite all the stories about how much the Iraq war is costing us, we are still in a peacetime economic posture so it's not costing us THAT much. If we really are that stressed by the military expenditures, raise taxes a few points and poof, budget surplus.

Posted by: Elijah at May 29, 2007 08:40 PM

We have become addicted to our own technology. Are we sure we can still fight in the mud with sticks and stones? "Stand off" or "Over the horizon" is no longer an option for any of us. Do we have the fortitude to get our hands dirty in real warfare?? Just asking some hard questions.

Posted by: James at May 29, 2007 06:30 PM

My feeling is China is way more scared of the USA than the other way around. A Chinese arms buildup is a natural response to aggressive American foreign intervention policy. But I don't belive they will take the bait, diverting billions to weapons is such a waste.

Posted by: Bruce at May 29, 2007 05:09 PM

TECHNOLOGY IS NOT EVERYTHING.I strongly agree.All of us have seen and seeing what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.Well,techology have saved many lives but it is not everything.United States should take strong measures to solidify its troops more accurately to prevent its loss.

Posted by: taimoor at May 29, 2007 02:05 PM

I’ve said this before, both here and elsewhere, both the US and UK need to remember that technology is not everything. You have the world’s most powerful country, the US relying more and more on advanced computer systems and stealth technology, and the world’s second most powerful country, the UK doing the same. If we’re both not careful us two old allies are going to be taken by surprise, and big time.

Posted by: Wren at May 29, 2007 01:13 PM

It is crucial that we (the U.S) start understanding the importance of asymmetric warfare and act accordingly.

Posted by: Michael at May 29, 2007 12:20 PM

Then the sixth [angel] emptied his bowl on the mighty river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to make ready a road for [the coming of] the kings of the east (from the rising sun). Rev. 16:12

Posted by: J B at May 29, 2007 11:55 AM

Christian - Gertz doesn't necessarily "dig" up news about the Chinese military. More likely, he's the favored recipient of leaks from well placed individuals in the government. The leaks all paint a very scary picture of the Chinese threat which naturally calls for more money to be spent to counter the threat.

Posted by: a DC reader at May 29, 2007 11:20 AM

The army from the east is coming. We need not to depend on Our technology. Always have backup. A slip
up on a computer can make us vulnerable. It will
probably create another cold war. We will have to stay ahead. When it comes down to the battlefield we have to remember what the Native Americans taught Our forefathers. Learn from your enemy.

Posted by: Russell at May 29, 2007 11:16 AM

Bill,

Glad you enjoy the site.

Gertz is one of the best sourced on China military buildup. I was not making a political argument for or against the "threat" posed by China (I've learned that the hard way over here at DT).

The guy digs up stuff on China not reported anywhere else.

Posted by: Christian at May 29, 2007 10:12 AM

Christian,
I enjoy this website tremendously and, for the most part, the information is accurate and thoughtful. However, I have to disagree with the notion that Bill Gertz is one of the best China reporters. He is definitely, one of the most prolific reporters on the threat (real and imagined) of China and he has never met a China threat (again real or imagined) that he didn't embrace fully. Mr. Gertz (and the Washington Times in general) is one of the most shamelessy biased (right up there with Fox News) media outlets in the country. Just my two cents.

Posted by: Bill Murray at May 29, 2007 08:17 AM