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Posted by: 432432 at September 29, 2008 08:31 AM

GSBJoe:

As the Geico caveman might say: "Uh . . . what?"

What part of this post leads you to come to the conclusion of "blind hatred of San Francisco"? Is it the part where I say San Francisco is one of America's greatest cities?

What's with everybody today? (Or is it me?)

Posted by: Ward at October 8, 2007 05:22 PM

Thanks, SJ Bill. Unfortunately I'm headed to the east coast. Have a great event.

Posted by: Ward at October 8, 2007 05:14 PM

One of the two US Navy vessel Commanding Officers is scheduled appear somewhat to the south of San Francisco tomorrow evening. The venue is a Navy League Council in Santa Clara County. Chris, and Ward, y'knot come on down, if'n you can.

Chris should have my contact INFO.

V/r
-SJBill

Posted by: SJBill at October 8, 2007 03:22 PM

I see you are at it again, besmirching an entire city based on the [failed] actions of one man.

Sad...

From your link: "Nathan Ballard, spokesman for Mayor Gavin Newsom, is among several of the city's officials that support the Blue Angels participation in Fleet Week and told the San Francisco Chronicle, "We think the FAA is better qualified to decide the Blue Angels' flight path than Chris Daly is … Chris Daly is many things, but he's no air traffic controller.""

Wow, instead kudos for Ballard & the Mayor's office for refusing to allow one crackpot to ruin the day, you point out, in the same slanted, myopic way, that all of San Francisco hates the military.

Where did those "huge crowds" that watched the air show come from, btw? Were the protesters?

Jeez, I love your blog, but this blind hatred of San Francisco is becoming an annoyance. Are you married to Ann Coulter or something?

Posted by: GSBJoe at October 8, 2007 03:00 PM

As a former denizen of the Bay Area, let me toss a few comments out there.

First of all, it's a great place to play, live, and work -- especially if you can find a good paying gig. More on that later.

Thing is, the town was already changing before the Summer of Love, and that was forty years ago. There's a strain of knee jerk liberal noise out there that's just part of the environment. If you can't turn the squelch up and ignore it, let it fade into the background like traffic, or the surf, it will drive you nuts -- it'll make you into a reactionary. Like, say, a knee jerk "liberal".

That's no way to live -- reacting, rather than seeing or thinking.

Which leads into my second point: if you think everyone in the Bay Area cleaves to the knee jerk "liberal" thing, you don't know the Bay Area at all. Spend some time in the parking lot or cheap seats at a Raiders, Giants or As game. Hang out in Oakland, El Cerrito, San Pablo, Daly City or Richmond. An SF City Councilman doesn't speak for those people, much less many San Franciscans.

Once upon a time, the military pumped a lot of money through the Bay Area, and provided a lot of jobs -- particularly, shipyard jobs. Those sort of jobs guaranteed a hell of a constituency for the Blue Angels -- or for that matter, the Raiders. More on that to follow.

Third, have you considered the possibility that this guy Daly is grandstanding? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that a political hack picked a hot button issue as a stalking horse for something else: like, say, the changing nature of the polity, or a run at Gavin Newsome's job.

Fourth, if you want to know why this sort of nonsense finds fertile ground anywhere in the Bay Area, think BRAC -- if you close bases, you lose the servicemen, dependents and relatives that support the military most.

Over the past few decades the Bay Area's lost bases at Alameda NAS, Treasure Island, Hunter's Point, the Presidio, Moffett Field, Mare Island, Hamilton AFB, and God knows how many other installations. The contractors who serviced those bases are gone. When you cut jobs like that -- like say, shipyard jobs -- you lose votes. More importantly, you lose perspective -- your Blue Angels and Raiders fans get pushed into the background, and grandstanders aren't accountable to them any more.

This sort of thing is also happening in other parts of the country hit by BRAC. For example, you get homeowners in Virginia Beach protesting jet noise.

OK? Sorry for the rant, but don't mistake an effect for a cause, or take a symptom as useless noise. If you have a squeaky bearing, it needs some grease.

Unfortunately, sometimes the squeaky bearing means it needed some grease a while ago. DoD's been closing Bay Area bases for decades. It's pushed the Bay Area up into the cheap seats of American defense.

In spite of that, the fans are still there. They're just a little harder to hear.

Posted by: demophilus at October 8, 2007 02:25 PM

Well, to get back into technical terms--Technically, military.com is owned by Monster International. Which, in 2004, bought military.com's parent company, Military Advantage, which happens to, ah, still have an office in San Francisco, as I recall.

So as to whose party? Monster International's shareholders threw it. And you know, they sometimes pop up at embarassing moments.

Posted by: springbored at October 8, 2007 02:24 PM

And another thing, SB: I'm confused with what you mean by "our" party. The SF-based company for which I am the editor is a principal sponsor of Fleet Week . . . has been since '99. So I guess technically we were the hosts, no?

It's my town too. (At least one week a month anyway.)

Posted by: Ward at October 8, 2007 01:08 PM

I don't want to compare address books, SB, but for the record I DID enjoy a beer with my good friend and former boss ADM Roughead at FW two years ago. Also talked to him about the Navy's support of FW a week ago at the CJCS change of command in DC.

If you want FW to continue in 2008 and beyond, you shouldn't ignore the facts.

Posted by: Ward at October 8, 2007 11:59 AM

It's my city, dude. And you obviously haven't enjoyed a beer with Roughead in it, either. Know these people, heh.

I guesss some people are failures in life, neh?

Posted by: Springbored at October 8, 2007 11:35 AM

Springbored:

This was never SECNAV's show, dude. This is a venue for the admirals in the cognizant chains of command, dude. Your analysis is just plain off the mark, dude. You see, I actually know these people, dude. This isn't a hobby, dude. This is my life, dude.

Thanks for caring, though, dude.

Posted by: Ward at October 8, 2007 10:44 AM

It is my opinion that there were too many public relations nightmares for an admiral. Between antiwar groups, gay rights groups, and Berkeley types the city is quite hostile to the military. The Navy tried last year but things have if anything gotten worse.

Of course, as I point out in my blog (http://kosherwisdom.blogspot.com), military issues are perhaps the least of their problems given that they have a seven mile square area with over 800 registered sex offenders running free.

Posted by: Rix at October 8, 2007 09:17 AM

So because Chris Daly brought up a resolution THAT FAILED several times, the Brass gives SF a pass? If they had been dumb enough to approve that bill, I would certainly understand. But are we to assume that the Navy's pissed at SF for letting this guy talk? You know, as Democracies do?

Yes, the SF politicos have a pretty backward view of the Military. And yes, most who do wouldn't know an aircraft carrier from an M16, but the way to change attitudes is to open up and make them LIKE you, not give them reason to be even more pigheaded in the future.

Posted by: Moose at October 7, 2007 11:49 PM

here are my pictures from fleet week!

http://crm.wongbooger.com/gallery/v/blue+angels/

I got there kinda late so I didn't get any pictures of the other aircraft performances.

Posted by: CW at October 7, 2007 10:19 PM

Ward, you're really reaching here.. Now, was there a snub of SF at Fleet Week? Yea, but not with or from admirals. I mean, Is this one of the smallest Fleet Week fleets ever? Yes. Is USS Abraham Lincoln, right now, on a three day visit to Victoria Canada? Check. Did San Diego host a huge naval parade (including the Lincoln) the week before? Yep. Message? You bet.

http://springboarder.blogspot.com/2007/10/secnav-winter-snubs-san-franciscoagain.html

Anyway, this is Secretary Winter's war, not the Navy's. The Navy's already engaged elsewhere, dude.

And way to be hospitable to your host. Hang out at our party and then fling dung. Classy, dude.

Posted by: Springbored at October 7, 2007 09:52 PM

Daverino:

The senior brass were directed by Rumsfeld not to attend the Paris Air Show in 2003. I'm not talking about the "fight the war" flag officers. I'm talking about the "buy the stuff" flag officers. It's their job to do things like attend major air shows.

Make no mistake: Their absence this year is a clear (albeit misguided) signal to the city of SF.

Posted by: Ward at October 7, 2007 05:25 PM

Gee Ward, did you ever think that maybe the senior brass may have been a little busy with something in 2003? And seeing as there are more Canadian ships than U.S. at this years fleet week, (due to deployments) maybe some of the brass has more important tasks at hand... Oh dear lord, I think we're invading Iran.

Posted by: Daverino at October 7, 2007 05:00 PM

Ward,
amazing how things have changed. I recall quite fondly staying at the Presidio, the awesome view from Treasure Island, and even visiting the Navy Reserve EKA-3B "Whale" squadron at Alameda, all now closed.
BTW, with Sarkozy talking about full NATO membership, I'd say San Francisco has France beat!

Posted by: Otto Pernotto at October 7, 2007 02:19 PM