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Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Scan Eagle From a DDG

Here's an interesting story we're running at Military.com today. The use of UAVs on an increasing number of Naval platforms is remarkable in its own right. But it seems to me also that as this continues, the size of the platform from which UAVs operate could get smaller and smaller.

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Guided-missile destroyer USS Oscar Austin (DDG 79), completed a robust testing phase of the ScanEagle, unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), Nov. 17, en route to the Central Command area of operations as part of the ongoing rotation to support Maritime Security Operations.

"ScanEagle is an incredible asset not only for this ship, but the Navy too," said Oscar Austin's Commanding Officer, Cmdr. Eric Weilenman. "It gives me great [subject awareness] on what's around the ship and allows me to keep my visit, board, search, and seizure teams aware of their environment because the UAV provides positive identification on vessels of interest, which allows me to pass accurate security information to my Sailors as they prepare to board."

While in flight, ScanEagle provides live, high-quality video that helps develop and maintain a Recognized Maritime Picture and further enhances Maritime Domain Awareness.

It seems to me that you could walk down this logical path to the Army's Future Combat Systems concept. As the launch and recovery methodologies get more deployable, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine tanks and APCs carrying their own UAVs to survey the road ahead and recover back to the tank.

Contractors operate the UAV while Navy intelligence specialists and flight deck crew work side-by-side with the civilians.

"ScanEagle is launched by a pneumatic wedge catapult launcher and flies off pre-programmed computerized files or operators (like myself) to initiate the mission," said Hamann.

"When retrieved, we use what is called a 'Skyhook' system, where the UAV catches a rope that is hanging from a 50-foot high pole," Hamann added.

The last ship that deployed with ScanEagle, USS Carter Hall (LSD 50), completed 19 missions and 933 flight hours.

The software and back-end technology are there, but maybe it's the bandwidth and launch/recovery phase that are still the sticking points (and money and complexity, ya ya ya...).

(Gouge: ED)

Photo from Boeing

-- Christian

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Posted by: USNFSA at November 28, 2007 10:51 AM


When I first glanced at the photo, I thought "Cool, a swing-wing sub launched UAV!"

Not yet, but coming soon no doubt.

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Posted by: Joseph Nichols at November 27, 2007 10:47 PM


Christian,

More than just the US Navy is using the Scan Eagle. It appears the Houston Police department is conducting not so secret tests of a Scan Eagle over Houston.

Their drone was tailed by a local TV Station helicopter.

This is the video:

http://www.click2houston.com/news/14659066/detail.html#

And this is the articcle on their web site:
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Click2Houston.com
Related To Story

Video: Local 2 Investigates Captures Secret HPD Test On Tape


Local 2 Investigates Police Secrecy Behind Unmanned Aircraft Test
By Stephen Dean

POSTED: 9:03 am CST November 21, 2007


WALLER COUNTY, Texas -- Houston police started testing unmanned aircraft and the event was shrouded in secrecy, but it was captured on tape by Local 2 Investigates.

Neighbors in rural Waller County said they thought a top-secret military venture was under way among the farmland and ranches, some 70 miles northwest of Houston. KPRC Local 2 Investigates had four hidden cameras aimed at a row of mysterious black trucks. Satellite dishes and a swirling radar added to the neighbors' suspense.

Then, cameras were rolling as an unmanned aircraft was launched into the sky and operated by remote control.

Houston police cars were surrounding the land with a roadblock in place to check each of the dignitaries arriving for the invitation-only event. The invitation spelled out, "NO MEDIA ALLOWED."

HPD Chief Harold Hurtt attended, along with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and dozens of officers from various police agencies in the Houston area. Few of the guests would comment as they left the test site.

News Chopper 2 had a Local 2 Investigates team following the aircraft for more than one hour as it circled overhead. Its wings spanned 10 feet and it circled at an altitude of 1,500 feet. Operators from a private firm called Insitu, Inc. manned remote controls from inside the fleet of black trucks as the guests watched a live feed from the high-powered camera aboard the 40-pound aircraft.

"I wasn't ready to publicize this," Executive Assistant Police Chief Martha Montalvo said. She and other department leaders hastily organized a news conference when they realized Local 2 Investigates had captured the entire event on camera.

"We still haven't even decided how we were going to go forward on this task, so it seemed premature to me to announce this to the media," Montalvo said. "But since, obviously, the media found out about it, then I don't see any reason why just not go forward with what we have so far."

Montalvo told reporters the unmanned aircraft would be used for "mobility" or traffic issues, evacuations during storms, homeland security, search and rescue, and also "tactical." She admitted that could include covert police actions and she said she was not ruling out someday using the drones for writing traffic tickets.

A large number of the officers at the test site were assigned to the department's ticket-writing Radar Task Force. Capt. Tom Runyan insisted they were only there to provide "site security," even though KPRC cameras spotted those officers heavily participating in the test flight.

Houston police contacted KPRC from the test site, claiming the entire airspace was restricted by the Federal Aviation Administration. Police even threatened action from the FAA if the Local 2 helicopter remained in the area. However, KPRC reported it had already checked with the FAA on numerous occasions and found no flight restrictions around the site, a point conceded by Montalvo.

HPD leaders said they would address privacy and unlawful search questions later.

South Texas College of Law professor Rocky Rhodes, who teaches the constitution and privacy issues, said, "One issue is going to be law enforcement using this and when, by using these drones, are they conducting a search in which they'd need probable cause or a warrant. If the drones are being used to get into private spaces and be able to view where the government cannot otherwise go, and to collect information that would not otherwise be able to collect, that's concerning to me."

HPD Assistant Chief Vickie King said of the unmanned aircraft, "It's interesting that privacy doesn't occur or searches aren't an issue when you have a helicopter pilot over you and it would not be used in airspace other than what our helicopters are used in already."

She admitted that police helicopters are not equipped with cameras nearly as powerful as the unmanned aircraft, but she downplayed any privacy concerns, saying news helicopters have powerful cameras as well.

HPD stressed it is working with the FAA on reviewing the technical specifications, the airworthiness and hazards of flying unmanned aircraft in an urban setting. Future test flights are planned.

The price tag for an unmanned aircraft ranges from $30,000 to $1 million each and HPD is hoping to begin law enforcement from the air by June of 2008 with these new aircraft.

If you have a news tip or question for KPRC Local 2 Investigates, drop them an e-mail or call their tipline at (713) 223-TIPS (8477).

Copyright 2007 by Click2Houston.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Posted by: Trent Telenko at November 27, 2007 06:44 PM


One certainly hopes that the deployment platform will get smaller and smaller. UAVs are central to the operational concept of the Littoral Combat Ships that the U.S. is currently prototyping, and they are about a third the size of a destroyer as measured by tons displaced.

Posted by: ohwilleke at November 27, 2007 06:32 PM


Just a suspicion, but should "subject awareness" actually be "situational awareness"? That is the normal expansion of the acronym SA.

Posted by: Phred at November 27, 2007 10:57 AM


The scan eagle assembly, launch and recovery systems plus UAV are not big, but do require some space.

The question I have is whether the UAVs are in substitute of helicopters.

To me, if it is a substitute that would be a net loss, not net gain of capability.

Posted by: Galrahn at November 27, 2007 09:02 AM


Outsourcing Andrew, the new way of projecting military power.

I remember during Gulf War I the battleships used UAVs for spotting their 16 inch guns. The Iraqis would hear the drones overhead and surrender automatically.

But the trouble definitely is in the recovery. The UAVs on the battleships flew into a net held up by two posts. The cable and hook method is certainly interesting and perhaps prone to more accidents. I'm sure you have to be pretty dead on to recover.

Oh and the battleships had NAVY crews piloting the UAVs from shipping containers sitting near the fantail.

DC2

Posted by: DC2 Jennings at November 26, 2007 07:19 PM


The only thing I don't like about this story is how contractors are the actual pilots of these UAVs. It'd be nice if it actual military personnel were trained to use them...

Posted by: Andrew at November 26, 2007 05:24 PM


Oops,meant "too big".

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"...it's not too much of a stretch to imagine tanks and APCs carrying their own UAVs to survey the road ahead and recover back to the tank."

Just like C&C: Generals!! OMG!

Posted by: Cervantes LeRoi at November 26, 2007 05:02 PM


UAVs are always fun to read about. I'm looking forward to the first UAV deployed by a UGV or USV.

No idea if it's a good military idea or not -- it just sounds cool to have a robot ship launch it's own robot plane.

Posted by: jim at November 26, 2007 04:51 PM


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