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All good argurments about bulking up but they don't wash. Tha military spends and lot of time and money on PT and physical conditioning as it is now. If you made soldiers bodies more efficient as to the use of water, calories and oxygen you would have stronger soldiers who requird less time engaged in PT and they would have more time to train on weapons and their MOS's.

The concern about what this does to one body is really not a concern of the military. Most careers are over by the soldiers mid fourites and serious health problems, if they happen usually don't really set in for ten years. Besides when you join the military you are going into the most hazardious job in the world.

For the military if they had a study source of smaller, stronger members armored vehicles, aircraft and other equipment could be designed smaller.

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Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 17, 2007 02:19 PM

@ Solomon: How many of those 100 recruits you'll raise me bulked up like that in their late 30's? Barry Bonds went from being normal to hulk in just about one off-season. I myself gained 15 pounds in basic training. But then again, I was SEVENTEEN YEARS OLD. Also, how many adults do you know whose head, wrist, hands and feet had a growth spurt in their late thirties?

As for military, police and firefighters being the biggest steroid users - do you have any facts to back up this incredible claim? Maybe I've had a sheltered life in my 20 years of service, but I have not seen the kind of steroid/hgh use that would even come close to being described as pervasive. Then again, I've mostly been around knuckle-dragger types, so what do I know. Do some do it? Absolutely. I've worked with guys that have. They were definitely the exception.

Posted by: Steven at December 17, 2007 12:10 PM

On the issue of wheher military/law enforcement should pump 'roids to build muscle mass: what about the effect that all those hormones etc. are going to have on their health (not to mention their masculinity)?

Plus - is it really that much of an advantage in modern warfare to be built like a brick s**thouse? Surely anyone who decides to put on that kind on muscle mass is going to just make a bigger target out of himself and a great drain on food/water supplies.

Posted by: FOARP at December 17, 2007 09:19 AM

Me, I'm terribly worried about this pernicious sports culture that has insidiously wormed its way into our beloved pharmaceutical enhancement league. In the old days, it used to be solely about the muscle mass and the 'roid rage- now, our formerly honorable citizen-tweakers are wearing silly oversized gloves, swatting at balls with sticks, hitting the balls with those very same sticks, and then running about between rubber plates like it was some kind of useful pursuit! This is eating up valuable time that could be used for injections and pill-gobbling, and I think it has to STOP! What is this nation coming to when red-blooded American boys are reduced to wearing stirrup pants and spitting tobacco juice instead of tying off their veins and shooting in thousands of mikes at a time of growth hormone and testosterone analogs like the rest of the nation? FOR SHAME! What would Babe and Mickey Mantle and the others back in old days have done? Ok... right- they would have drank themselves into a coma! Let's face it- if there's anything less than worthy of congressional oversight, it is the endless and nasty swamp of Major League Baseball...

Posted by: footyfoot at December 17, 2007 04:04 AM

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On the issue of the military using drugs, to enhance the performance of soldiers, they have been at it for a long time. A hundred years ago more men died of desease then in battle, in Iran and Afghanistan soldiers dieing from desease is very rare. The reason is of course everybody gets vacinated against nearly anything that can get them. This like it or not is biologicaly modifing soldiers to enhance their performance.

How can American soldiers can fight all night then function during the day with only a few hour sleep or pilots fly long missions, amphetamines.

The future for the American service personal is more biological modifications. Currently the military can give the BRAC 1 & 2 tests to see what emotional problems a soldiers is biologicaly prone to. Those at risk can be sourted from those not at are at lower risks for certain missions. In the future genetic modifications to construct the "Super Soldier" who has more strenght, improved eyesight, better hearing, run faster and consumes fewer calories and water are not out of the question.

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Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 16, 2007 11:36 PM

In the long term it is a good thing. Baseball moved on after other scandals too. It will be a good object lesson.

Posted by: ELP at December 16, 2007 07:51 PM

I'll go along with the rest of the "let technology reign" posters. It's going to happen anyway, the players know what they're doing, so let's stop obsessing about it.

Posted by: El gusanito at December 16, 2007 06:27 PM

This is much ado about nothing...they keep moving the bar on what performing enhancing drugs are...
The saddest thing about this is that its the Mothers of America club and the castrated males that luv them that are constantly lowering the bar on what a performance enhancing drug is. Show me one more picture of Barry Bonds now compared to what he looked like coming out of Triple A and I'll raise you 100 recruits after bootcamp. They all look like they were injected after lights out but they weren't they just put the time in. And I'll say this without hesitation, the biggest segment of the population using anabolic steroids are the Military, State and local Police departments and lastly Fire departments. So Congress GIVE ME A BREAK and stop reaching for the low hanging fruit. Tackle the tuff stuff and leave this minor issue alone.

Posted by: Solomon at December 16, 2007 04:00 PM

When I was in the military during the 80s & they started the drug screening against pot & cocaine,I felt that the one drug that the military could care less about was anabolic steroids.Why? Because the use of anabolic steroids could be used in the creation of "super soldiers." I wonder if this attitude might still be in existence today in our armed forces.I'm not at all advocating the use of steroids for our military,but in war the object is not a gold metal like in the Olympics.Its not in a "sports" trophy.The goal is to win & since most of our troops seem to be viewed as disposable & throwaways,the temptation to use steroids to create "super soldiers" must be great.The health risks would be off set by the fact that they'd probably be killed in combat anyway.

Posted by: Roy Smith at December 16, 2007 03:37 PM

Good Afternoon Folks,

I'm not sure what the big deal is here. There is no purity in sports, over the years the equipment, playing fields, rules etc. have evolved. Drugs are just another factor of the game. I mean really is there a difference between a player taking a pain killer shot in order to stay in the game or Barry Bonds taking what ever to bulk up and hit home runs, get real there isn't.

Drugs are technology and should be treated as such. The people making decisions to use or not in professional are adults. The know that the window for making money is only a few years at best and that making money in entering the fans who want more and more for there ticket price. If that shortens one life that like a steel worker or roofer who take risks daily to earn their bread should be feft to the individual.

Let Drugs evolve with the game.

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Posted by: Byron Skinner at December 16, 2007 03:34 PM

Sad little men playing a childrens' game and calling it a career. Cheating at it too. Who cares? Most major sports in the US is nothing but a jobs program for felons anyway.

Just put the sports news with the daily comics, as its all just a bad, tired joke.

Posted by: KragCulloden at December 16, 2007 03:24 PM

Baseball players on drugs?? How shocking. No, really, this is like Louis discovering that gambling's going on at Rick's Cafe in Casablanca. I know this is upsetting to all the bow-tied journalists in this country who wax lacrimose when they reflect on "America's Naptime", but I couldn't care less.

I think they should do a variant of an old SNL skit and just have the "All-Drug MLB". Just let people take anything they want and let it go at it. After all, where would any of them be with vitamins? And when did major league baseball players become organic, grain-fed free range chickens?

Again, who cares?

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The sports (entertainment) pieces have left me cold, however. They seem very odd and incongruous to the DefenseTech blog, and have sapped some of my desire to read DefenseTech. Maybe opening another blog called SportsNews would be a better venue for this type of entertainment news . . . We appreciate and thank you for the hard effort required to provide the Defense info that you do, and respect the fact that you can include anything that you want in your blog.

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