Subscribe via RSS

Archives by Date
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008

See all Archives
Archives by Category
'Canes
Afghan Update
Ammo and Munitions
Armor
Around the Globe
Av Week Extra
Axe in Iraq (and Elsewhere)
Bizarro
Blimps
Blog Bidness
Body Armor Blues
Bomb Squad
Brownshoes in Action
Bubbleheads, etc.
Cammo Green
Catch the "Buzz"
Chem-Bio
Civilian Apps
Cloak and Dagger
Commandos
Comms
Contingency Ops
Cops and Robbers
Cyber-warfare
Data Diving
Defense Tech Poll
Dissent Tech
Door Kickers
Drones
DT Administrivia
Eat DT's Dust
Extra! Extra!
Eye on China
Fast Movers
FCS Watch
Fire for Effect
FOS Files
Friday Funnies
Gadgets and Gear
Going Green
Grand Ole Osprey
Ground Vehicles
Guns
Homeland Security
In the Weeds with Eric
Info War
Iraq Diary
Jarhead Jazz
JSF Watch
Just War Theories
Lasers and Ray Guns
Less-lethal
Logistics
Los Alamos and Labs
M4 Monopoly
Medic!
Mercs
Missiles
Money Money Money
Most Wanted
MRAP Edge
Net-Centric
Nukes
Old Skool
Our Shrinking Planet
Planes, Copters, Blimps
Politricks
Polmar's Perspective
Popular Mechanics
Rapid Fire
Raptor Watch
Red Team
Retro-Futuro
Robots
Roll Your Own
Sabra Tech
Ships and Subs
Snipertech
Space
Special Ops
Star Wars
Strategery
Stray Trons
Tactical Development
Terror Tech
The Deadlies
The Defense Biz
The Peoples' Site
The Sunday Paper
The Tanker Tango
The View from Av Week
Those Nutty Norks
Training and Sims
Trimble on the Case
Video Lounge
War Update
Ward'z Wonderz
You can run...

See all Archives
Newsletters

Edited by Christian Lowe | Contact

Could Israel Deploy C-RAM for Border?

C-ram.jpg

Our Defense Tech contributor who keeps a close eye on the Middle East, Aharon Etengoff of Weaponsurvey, reports:

The Israeli Defense Ministry holds high-level talks with the Pentagon on purchasing the Phalanx B, or C-RAM, a rapid-fire cannon to protect strategic installations against Palestinian projectiles. It should be noted that the C-RAM (manufactured by Raytheon) is fully operational and available for immediate deployment.

The C-RAM is a radar-controlled gun adapted from a US Navy original, which can fire 4,500 rounds a minute and destroy incoming mortar bombs before impact. According to Jane's Defense Weekly, the Land-based Phalanx Weapon System (LPWS) "is a reconfigured variant of the widely sold Phalanx 20 mm shipborne close-in weapon system [that] combines a 20 mm M61A1 Gatling gun with a Ku-band search-and-track radar featuring closed loop spotting."

Sean Osborne, Associate Director of NEIN Military Affairs & NEIN Blog:

"The C-RAM is deployed at US FOBs (Forward Operating Bases) all over Iraq - not just in the so-called Green Zone. C-RAMs success rate in shooting mortar rounds and other incoming indirect ordnance out of the sky is better than 85% according to data I've received from those who've installed these systems in Iraq. C-RAM counter-fires which miss the incoming target do not simply fall to ground - each 20mm round is fused to self-destruct if contact is not made with the target.

The IDF Research & Development Directorate's (MAFAT) refusal to acquire and deploy the C-RAM system in defense of Sderot or other Israeli towns is several echelons below unfortunate, and appears to be couched in political considerations which have nothing to do with the suffering of the citizens of Sderot. The non-acquisition is sending a message of abandonment to the women and children of Sderot who are under severe traumatic stress and psychological pressures not unlike that of soldiers in combat."

Uzi Rubin:

"This is a very effective system for protecting strategic installations...It covers a radius of up to a kilometer and would be ideal for protecting key installations like power plants and IDF bases."

IDF Chief Intelligence Officer Brig.-Gen. Yuval Halamish:

"This [Palestinian rockets] is a close-to-home threat that has an impact on the home front as well as the national morale...Our ability to deal with this threat is difficult until being almost impossible in certain places."

-- Aharon Etengoff

Comments

[url=http://buy-aoc-gold.rgtrcredit.com/][color=#800080][b]Age Of Conan Gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.aocsale.com/][color=#800080][b]Age Of Conan Gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.buy-cheap-aoc-gold.com/][color=#800080][b]Age Of Conan Gold[/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.buy-cheap-aoc-gold.com/][color=#800080][b]buy age of conan gold [/b][/color][/url]
[url=http://www.aocsale.com/][color=#800080][b]buy age of conan gold[/b][/color][/url][url=http://buy-aoc-gold.rgtrcredit.com/][color=#800080][b]buy age of conan gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.buyfastgold.com/][color=#800080][b]aoc gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://buy-aoc-gold.hellgate-pd.com/][color=#800080][b]aoc gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.buyfastgold.com/][color=#800080][b]aoc gold[/b][/color][/url]
[url=http://buy-aoc-gold.hellgate-pd.com/][color=#800080][b] buy aoc gold [/b][/color][/url][url=http://www.buyfastgold.com/][color=#800080][b] buy aoc gold[/b][/color][/url]

your site is good ,welcome to our sites
http://www.buyfastgold.com

http://www.buy-cheap-aoc-gold.com

http://www.aocsale.com

http://buy-aoc-gold.hellgate-pd.com

http://buy-aoc-gold.rgtrcredit.com

Posted by: aoc gold at May 19, 2008 07:48 PM


Use counter battery fire and get the hole enchilada.

Posted by: SoCalSooner at March 7, 2008 06:01 PM


Need one on our US Mex border alone.
Deter any funny narcodealings.
Just 10 sec burst & Illegals Gone IE killed or Ran away\.
Nice hidden or mobile Gun.
Terror Tech use.
Need 10 on US Mex border area.
Camoflouged for use during day.

Posted by: stephen russell at December 29, 2007 06:35 PM


xxx, read the article you dimwit.

Posted by: Mike at December 24, 2007 02:24 PM


"What happens to the projectiles that DON'T hit the incoming target? Israel and Gaza etc...are pretty well populated... Anyone know?"

I assume they could hit people and property, which is the price you have to pay when launching rocket attacks against your neighbors. Simple solution: stop firing missiles into other countries.

Posted by: xxx at December 24, 2007 12:27 PM


>A.Nony, the article stated that rounds which don't impact their targets are fused to explode.

What do you think will happen to the fragments of the rounds after the explosion?

Posted by: pedestrian at December 23, 2007 09:28 PM


Metal storm sucks, and would be terrible in this role.

Just because you can fire rounds REALLY FAST doesnt mean anything if your ammo capacity is small, which is always going to be the case with metal storm, thanks to the fact that the ammo has to be stored in barrels, so each barrel can only take a handful of shots.

You need a lot of ammo to shoot down incoming mortars and such, and that means endurance. Maybe a metal storm would take out 1 target then be spent, and you'd have to send it back to the factory to be reloaded, what nonsense.

Metal storm is basically an overglorified big shotgun.

Posted by: Kaltes at December 22, 2007 03:23 AM


A.Nony, the article stated that rounds which don't impact their targets are fused to explode. Did you bother reading the article before showing your "blood libel?"

Posted by: mattrmsf at December 22, 2007 02:07 AM


Would the jews care if uninvolved arab civilians got killed? No. They never have in the past, so no reason to see why they would start now.

Hey A.Nony, your blood libel is showing.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at December 21, 2007 11:43 PM


What happens to the projectiles that DON'T hit the incoming target? Israel and Gaza etc...are pretty well populated...

Anyone know?
+++++++++++

Would the jews care if uninvolved arab civilians got killed? No. They never have in the past, so no reason to see why they would start now.

Posted by: A. Nony at December 21, 2007 08:23 PM


If the C-RAM proves effective, Israel had better be prepared for the Palestinians to switch tactics. Homegrown Qassam missles are much preferable to suicide bombers or Katyusha rockets.

Posted by: Sam at December 21, 2007 04:05 PM


Middle East Newsline reported years ago about the difficulties of anti-mortar radars, and low detection rate by these radars within Iraq. Integrated with C-RAM, it's not going to be a silver bullet what the Israelis are going to want.

Posted by: pedestrian at December 21, 2007 04:00 PM


hell yea always wondered why they wernt foaming at the mouth for this system. i mean its gotten good test results and review in iraq right

Posted by: James at December 21, 2007 03:15 PM


counterbattery capability would be ideal, especially with the "smart" artillery rounds available today.

Posted by: C at December 21, 2007 02:32 PM


Dang, someone beat me to the idea.
Actually it wouldn't be practical to shut off the fuses for targeting incoming. Chances are you would be hitting it from angles other than straight on, so the rounds would be impacting blocks away from the launcher...now having a second system with the 30mm goal keeper set up to track back to the launch site and hose it...that has promise. Or better yet, artillary...
Can you say counter battery fire?

Posted by: coolhand77 at December 21, 2007 01:25 PM


txzen, other way around. You only need the system to protect your assets, not to create a shield around the launch site. Rockets and mortars are shot down by the system while in mid-flight or during their descent towards the target. It doesn't matter where in Gaza the mortars are launched from as long as the target has the C-RAM nearby.

Posted by: TB at December 21, 2007 11:52 AM


I'd shut off the self destruct on the Gaza bound shells. A little incentive to stop the attacks.

Posted by: JDS at December 21, 2007 11:35 AM


I hope this math is close to correct... The C-Ram system has a radius effect of 1000 meters. Thats 2000 meters in diameter, So about 6000 feet so about 1 mile of effective defense. The Gaza strip is 25 miles long and 6 miles deep. So would about 25-30 really be all it would take to stop 85 percent of the munitions flying out of Gaza? Take into consideration some angles wouldn't be needed as protecting desert isn't as important as cities and you cut the number or double up in populated or sensitive areas. Sound about right or is that just overkill or overspend?

Posted by: txzen at December 21, 2007 11:18 AM


I read up on this & saw that the Skyguard 35mm System was also being considered for this by Israel.Would the Metal Storm System,like a 40mm with Self-Destruct Fuse 36-barrel System also work for this?

Posted by: Roy Smith at December 21, 2007 11:09 AM


@Matt Roth - read closer.

Posted by: KragCulloden at December 21, 2007 10:32 AM


What happens to the projectiles that DON'T hit the incoming target? Israel and Gaza etc...are pretty well populated...

Anyone know?

Posted by: Matt Roth at December 21, 2007 10:23 AM


What happens to the projectiles that DON'T hit the incoming target? Israel and Gaza etc...are pretty well populated...

Anyone know?

Posted by: Matt Roth at December 21, 2007 10:22 AM


Unfortunate that USAID does not have a "Rent to Own" Program.

Posted by: Nick Smith, La Grande, OR at December 21, 2007 09:45 AM


Post a comment




Remember Me?


Please enter the code as seen in the image below to post your comment.