Here's a rare look inside a Russian sub. Note the Jules Verne vibe surrounding the design -- all the tubes, wires, and pipes. This shows the classic Cold War era Soviet approach to the problem that stands in sharp contrast to the relatively anticeptic look of American submarines. And dig the sound of a million bees buzzing as the torpedoes translate forward.
(Gouge: CM)
-- Ward
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Ron, in one of the Russians newer tanks, if you're the loader, you must be short, left handed, and quite strong. This smacks of poor human factors design. I worked with a guy who did equipment/design analysis on USSR export equipment. His comment was that everything was oversized, heavy, and while it could be fixed, wasn't up to US military standards. One of the issues is that the USSR/Russians have a different attitude towards equipment design than we do. One of our jet engines is made to last for thousands of hours of flight time. A Russian engine might only last for 500 hrs before scrap out.
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I am agree with you Jack, but I think most of the radiation contamination cases happened in the early developments of nuclear submarines in the URSS, but I could easily wrong because I don't consulted any data right now. Anyway in this sense I think you are right.
Posted by: Dotomo at January 13, 2008 10:10 AM
As an engineer, my gut feeling when seeing a cluttered piece of equipment is what else is wrong with the design? Making it pretty is a mark of pride in most good engineering.
Posted by: George Skinner at January 13, 2008 01:42 AM
Haven't the Russians traditionally gone for function over form, for the most part. They don't necessarily make pretty but they do make effective.
Posted by: Will Rogers at January 12, 2008 12:08 PM
I don't know about 'antiseptic', but apparently there's enough room to dance in a US torpedo room... though I won't comment on the quality of dancing involved. :)
Dotomo, the loss difference may only be one, but how many accidents did the USSR/Russians have on board their subs? How many of their subs were so heavily contaminated by radiation that it was unsafe for their crews? How many near core meltdowns have they had? Their crews are at the mercy of their defense contractors.
Posted by: Jack D. Ripper at January 11, 2008 01:06 PM
If I am not wrong they only lost one submarine more than the US, but if anyone have the time to count here it is a pair of links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_submarine_accidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lost_Soviet/Russian_submarines
I think that is a partially old submarine.
And Pharsalus, please respect the russian marines (probably victims of their politicians in some or many ways) as we want respect for ours.
Posted by: Dotomo at January 11, 2008 12:10 PM
The major advantage with Russian tech: if you're torpedo is stuck, you can unstick it wit a sledgehammer. Which, maybe, is what the Kursk boys tried ^_^
Still, probably SMC's right, an old Victor I is my guess.
Posted by: Pharsalus at January 11, 2008 10:24 AM
This appears to show them having trouble with the loading problem. Did you notice that while the noise was happening that the torp appeard to be stuck? This is probably an old sub also as they'd be unlikely to let the new tech be shown so casually.
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They'd never sneak up on anybody unless the pre-load those torpedoes miles away.
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If shot today, we can beat these subs.
Dated sub tech.
No wonder they lose so many subs.
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