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Next waritis could also be termed as the wish for gold plated weapons and the constant reliance on a technological fix. I'm a fan of military tech as much as the next guy. I suscribe to several defense publications whose sole function is to inform of the latest defense technologies, so I WANT the US to have the latest and greatest.

That being said, our enemies are seeking an asymetric advantage, so contrary to those who fear that the air superiority advantage will wither away, the truth is our enemies AREN'T getting massive air armies, they're buying SAM's like the S-400. What works for that, EW.

Are they building aircraft carriers, no they're building ship killers like the Sunburn.

Are they buying new tanks, no they're buying RPG-29's and most importantly they are avoiding open terrain and trying to mix it up in urban areas.

All of the asymetric counters that our enemies are choosing is to steal our technological advantage not necessarily with an opposite, but a weapon that can threaten our advantage.

Some will argue that I've made my own counter-argument as to why Gates is wrong. I say that most of these fixes are procedural and depending on our tactics and strategies.

Did MRAP's defeat the IED's or the insurgency, no, our troops are IN the process of doing so. How, tactics and strategy.

Gates' admonition to get our heads in the game with the current war is the plea for our defense leaders to focus on the current battle, not because of his "short-sightedness" but the opposite. We and the DOD have still not mastered counterinsurgencies.

And say what you will about China, you can add all the techno gadgets that the Chinese are working on (and I don't doubt that they are), but the key thing also will be their tactics.

Guys let's not focus on the equipment all the time, strength of heart, morale, will, and a superior battleplan can trump tech: this is what I think Gates wants us to focus on.

Posted by: atacms at May 20, 2008 08:33 PM

Re: Scott

Hey, man, it ain't just in PA, its in Johnstown the District's home and the largest city in the 12th district.

Pork, pork, pork....

Posted by: Old Crusty Chief at May 19, 2008 10:09 AM

Re: Mike & the payraise

Brother, this is why we have the damned freakshow in Washington: People who'd crawl in bed with the Devil himself if it meant a few more nickels to rub together.

Really? Murtha's OK in your book because you got ten extra bucks in your paycheck? Is that the coin to purchase your honor and dignity?

Please think this one through again. Review Jack "Abscam" Murtha's record and re-read the traitorous, disloyal things he said about FELLOW MARINES without a single fact before him.

Ya know, there's gotta be someone from the PA 12th who's served in Iraq or Afghanistan, maybe a young Marine with a few scars, who'd be willing to take back that seat from this scumbag. The 12th is in the heart of Pennsylvania (Johnstown, Latrobe, etc.) and there's just gotta be ANYONE with a pulse and a conscience who can do it. Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, hell I'd vote for Gumby if it meant Jack's ass was out.

Cheers,
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Posted by: Old Crusty Chief at May 19, 2008 10:05 AM

If Murtha wants to cut Intel spending he should start with that waste of a program, National Counternarcotics intel center in his homestate of PENN!!!

Posted by: Scott at May 19, 2008 08:56 AM

"Murtha is the guiding force in the defense authorization bill trying to give us a 3.9% pay raise. It is not enough I know, but it is a hell of a lot better than Bush who considers a military pay raise a waste of money."

So in short, he's a traitor who tryed his damned best to cause problems for you and your collegues by talking sht about the events in Haditha, his lies stirred up a massive amount of hatred for your fellow service men, undoubtable leading to more deaths of your fellow warriors and yet because he wants to give you a rise you think hes a 'good guy'??? Strikes me as most odd if not twisted...

Posted by: Jimbo Jones at May 19, 2008 07:48 AM

"I served in Haditha,Iraq from Sept05-April 06 and John Murtha is a traitor. He smeared fellow Marines over an incident before any investgation was done.I also went to his office with several members of Vets for Freedom to ask for an apology for his remarks and he refused to give us 30 seconds of his time."

You sir have my greatest repect, not only for serving in Iraq but for your restraint, i don't know how you managed to hold yourself back from physicaly pounding the crap out of a traitor like Murtha or for that matter his equally dishonest assistant.

Posted by: Jimbo Jones at May 19, 2008 07:44 AM

Throughout history armies have been plagued with the syndrome of wanting to fight the last war. Just look at World War I for a fairly recent example. The counterinsurgency/guerrilla style warfare which seems to be here to stay for the foreseeable future is probably the the most fundamental change to warfare since WWI. It seems like military leadership and the politicians are still planning for more conventional wars even though everything seen since about '93 says otherwise. While conventional war is something we have to be prepared for I don't see the use( right now) for stealth ships, new stealth aircraft, etc etc.
The general problem is that most of the people who decide how money is spent have little or no current operational experience and it seems are blinded by tech gadgets
Gadgets and gizmos have their place no doubt but it seems like a lot of money spent could be better spent with more immediate results. For instance, building shoot houses, buying range time for grunts, funding large scale military exercises, searching for a 5.56 round with increased stopping power, funding in depth language and cultural training for all on the ground, developing a Humvee replacement( too big, too slow, too little room for the size). My suggestions are from an Army grunt standpoint and I won't comment on the other aspects save to say that dominance in the air and on the water are pretty meaningless without dominance of the ground.

Posted by: Hatemachine at May 19, 2008 05:26 AM

Murtha is the guiding force in the defense authorization bill trying to give us a 3.9% pay raise. It is not enough I know, but it is a hell of a lot better than Bush who considers a military pay raise a waste of money.

That makes Murtha ok in my book.

And I don't believe Wuterich is getting a raw deal at all. He gives all of us a bad name. Hang the pr!ck I say. Mattis was right to not dismiss the case.

Posted by: mike at May 18, 2008 10:19 PM

As for Haditha, Wuterich is getting a raw deal.

But I blame Army Generals Bargewell and Chiarelli, not Murtha. And Bush caved in to his buddy Maliki on Haditha. And as much as I hate to admit it, General Mattis too.

As for the budget - we need to look ahead. If you think that Iraq is the last war we will ever fight, then you need to get sober and stop smoking crystal meth. Murtha may not be the brightest bulb in congress, but he is on the right track with this one.

Posted by: jim at May 18, 2008 09:13 PM

Not to turn this blog into a recap of Haditha, but it was that incident that revealed that Murtha's true colors are no longer Scarlet and Gold, or perhaps even Red, White, and Blue.

If he does not like defense spending, then the person he should be complaining to is in the mirror.

Again, it is time for someone to "retire" him.

Now I am getting angry again . . .

Posted by: CTR1(SW) at May 18, 2008 11:14 AM

I served in Haditha,Iraq from Sept05-April 06 and John Murtha is a traitor. He smeared fellow Marines over an incident before any investgation was done.I also went to his office with several members of Vets for Freedom to ask for an apology for his remarks and he refused to give us 30 seconds of his time. But his assistant told us over and over again how he always supported the troops!Give me a break ! Lawrence Romack

Posted by: Lawrence Romack at May 18, 2008 09:19 AM

John Murtha, lolz, even over here in the UK people know that hes a complete and utter joke!

Posted by: Jimbo Jones at May 18, 2008 08:14 AM

If all of this is an issue over money,well,our government always seems to find the money to pay for their pet pork projects.If any of you are still waiting for your income tax checks &/or (whether you agree with it or not) tax rebate checks,well....the IRS has "accidently" sent an undetermined number(but YOU know if it involves you) of these checks to the wrong bank accounts.But don't worry,after they "recover the (by now already spent) money,in full I'm sure,from the wrong accounts &send it out to the right ones(someday)...but this takes time(years?decades?in our lifetime?).
I say this,because when it comes to YOUR money,they totally drag ass,but when it comes to THEIR pet projects,they can piss & shit out money left & right.
So those weapon systems that you are wondering why they don't support more,well if it was on THEIR agaenda,they'd find the money(perhaps from mis-sent IRS checks,hmmmm?).

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Re: Joshik

Dank. My poor Yiddish is my own fault; I never should have learned it from a Jew from Mississippi. Seriously.

Re: Apologia

Fellas, don't make any excuses for Jack Murtha "getting it right." There is nothing new under the sun with this guileful windbag. Guaranteed that if there's bacon for the 12th district of PA, a few Benjamins for his pocket, a party whore to be patronized, or a political enemy to be thrown under the bus, our man Jack will stick it in our backs.

Cheers,
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Well it seems Pres. Bush and McCain are attacking the personal characters of Ubama and his wife. I think the issues here flair about the war at hand also. So i have an article for you. Doesnt this remind you of the Vietnam war by method of attack scenario? Max

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Unidentified Canadian soldiers patrol in the Zhari district, just west of Kandahar City last year. (Canadian Forces Combat Camera)

Child suicide bomber used in attack on Canadians
Updated Fri. May. 16 2008 9:42 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

A young boy, possibly only 10 years old, was the suicide bomber who killed an Afghan soldier and wounded two Canadian soldiers Friday, CTV News has learned.

Making the matter even more disturbing is the possibility that the bomb was detonated from afar by remote control.

"He (was) believed to have been wearing a suicide vest,'' Capt. Amber Bineau, a spokeswoman for the Canadian army battle group in Kandahar, said of the boy.

"We do know that the soldiers saw the kid approaching," CTV's Paul Workman reported Friday from Kandahar.

"There's some suggestion that he had his arms in the air and that's why they suspect that it may have been detonated by somebody else."

Workman said the bomb could have also been on a timer.

"This is a very, very unusual attack, the Canadians really don't know what to expect," said Workman.

The incident occurred while the soldiers were conducting a foot patrol in a village in Zhari district, just west of Kandahar City, around 10 a.m. local time.

A second Afghan soldier was also injured in the attack.

Bineau condemned the attack and described it as a "last ditch-attempt'' by militants to disrupt the progress of Afghan and NATO forces in establishing security in the country.

"These types of attacks demonstrate a weakness in the insurgency and do not impede the resolve of those who work to make Kandahar province a safe and stable environment,'' Bineau said in a statement.

"The Taliban seem to be trying new tactics," Workman said.

Workman said he was told that all of the right procedures were followed by the soldiers.

The injured soldiers were all brought back to Kandahar Airfield for treatment. Bineau said the soldiers were able to "walk into the medical facility on their own.''

The military does not usually release the names of injured Canadians.

Foot patrols

Canadians seem to be going back to foot patrols as a means of demonstrating they are on the ground and in the community.

But they are typically acting in a support role to the Afghan National Army soldiers, who are taking more of a leadership role in southern Afghanistan, Workman said.

With Friday's attack, and other violence in eastern and southern Afghanistan that left eight militants dead, there are fears the spring offensive could be reaching its peak.

On May 6, Cpl. Michael Starker, a Calgary paramedic, was shot and killed while on foot patrol in the Pashmul region, outside Kandahar City.

Another Canadian was injured in the incident but is expected to recover.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Chief:

I appreciate the use of Yiddish in your post, but I must point out that "kvell/kvelling" is the opposite of "kvetch/kvetching".

I kvetch when I'm stuck in line at the DMV, but I'll kvell if I hear that my little nephew just hit a home run in the pee-wee ball game.

So in this context, I think you probably mean "kvetch".

Carry on!

Posted by: Joshik at May 16, 2008 08:19 PM

I am no fan of this man, but he did say something right this time. 4% of GDP is just not enough for the defense budget, not enough to prepare the military for multiple threats ranging from anti-insurgency to modern warfare. You could tell that by the frustrations of Gates not having enough for counter insurgency and frustrtations of the Air Force not having enough for modern warfare. However, what is really not enough is that there is just not enough defense spending to defend America's interest from the threats that may risk lives of Americans.

Posted by: pedestrian at May 16, 2008 07:41 PM

I do not trust "Haditha" Murtha. I pray that the lawsuit filed against him RUINS him.
I want to know when a marine will expend the brass and retire this idiot.

His list of expendatures is interesting, but I suspect he is up for election, or some other equally narcissistic - "save my own a$$ - reason.

I would say more, but just thinking of him enrages me.

Posted by: CTR1(SW) at May 16, 2008 07:22 PM

Actually, Murtha's list is a very good one *if the intent is to "RESET" and revitalize the American military in a post-Iraqi withdrawal world.*

The USAF is flying the wings off its airlift fleet and those were the first two items on the list.

Replacing lost reserve unit equipment and revitalizing the ground forces wheeled transport fleet list is next.

After that is housing and medical care for returning troops.

You can argue the wisdom of the policy, but that budget is right for the policy choice the Democrats want to make in 2008.

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Monkeys. Typewriters. Time. Novel. (Same thing with Jack.)

Jesus wept. Why is it that this guy causes me to lift a safety every time I see his jowls quivering on the tube? Better yet, how the hell does he keep getting sent back to the Hill. (Nevermind... I know.)

So today he's kvelling about the size of the intel budget and its apparent inability to find the rear housing support group with both hands? Well, just who in the hell cut the guts out of it in the first place? Could it be the Jack and the rest of the group-hug pansies of a particular political stripe?

Jack Murtha just doesn't get it. The other 50% he's whining about in the intel biz is a messy, bloody, stomach-turning business that most folks are better off not knowing too much about. The same folks who wolf down their Jimmy Dean but would puke for a year if they really knew how it was made.

Time was that the CIA had its black fingers in EVERYONES' pie, ready to stir when needed. It cavorted with the worst, propped up the evil, fomented unrest when nations pissed us off, conducted splendid little wars, and generally went about as the ministry of murder and bloody mayhem.

In other words, it did its damned job. And thank God.

People in this country went about their white bread lives without having to worry about piss ants like Osama bin Laden or Hugo Chavez. The masters of the black arts ensured that they were murdered, exiled, imprisoned, or turned to will for the explicit purpose of ensuring that they didn't fly planes into our buildings or threaten to choke off the oil.

Jack wants sausage but he doesn't want the mess that comes with making it. Jack Murtha ain't no Jimmy Dean.

Cheers,
Chief B.

Posted by: Old Crusty Chief at May 16, 2008 04:49 PM

this proves that gates is right for sure. if that bag of garbage traitorous garbage murtha is against it, it must be right. besides we all know murtha loves his campaign dollars from defense companies in his district.

Posted by: slntax at May 16, 2008 04:47 PM

With Neo-Cons on one side, and Pacifists on the other side, we are Fucked. This is where we stand right now.

GATES IS THE BEST SEC DEF EVER! Why, because he gets the incompetent bureaucracy moving in the direction he wants, and the US and war fighter needs. No one likes to be told, they cannot have the their favorite toy. And when it is taken away, the crying begins. It makes for good blogging, though.

Despite being an old Cold warrior, he (Gates) recognizes the 21st challenges/annoyances (not threats), the US and the Developed World faces; which does not involve fantasy wars of the future between the largest world economies. The US went from blowing up the planet several times over during the Cold War/WW3, to only targeting a single person or small group of well hidden terrorists/insurgents, whom are not deterred by conventional military power. Now that is progress.

All the US/Pentagon does is plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan and buy some 'stuff' for those plans. But when the Shit hits the fan, it ALWAYS turns out to be a cluster fuck. Maybe enough of the planning, and better executing/intel/skill sets/IA; which I took from Gates and others, from whom he listens to. Everyone likes planning, but not actually doing. There is also a complete lack of understanding of economics inside the US Government. That is the culture Gates must change.

Murtha, like all politicians, is a decade or two behind reality, and rarely makes any sense when it comes to Iraq/GWOT, but he makes a good point (hypocritical as always) about Intel being a sad joke. If we had much better real time intel and an actual realistic global strategy from the politicians, the US would not have to spend a gazillion dollars on the military. I think Sun Tzu said something like that. I also threw in some Clausewitz, for good measure. It is amusing Congress never blames themselves for any of the nations failures, even though they have their hands in all of it.

Quote of the day: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. "

Posted by: HumanPestControl at May 16, 2008 04:38 PM

I've find some of Murtha's past actions reprehensible, but I have to agree with him on this one.

Contrary to what some claim, Gates is the "best SecDef" we've ever had. He is merely a competent manager and lackss long term strategic vision and the imagination necessary to overhaul the DoD.

Posted by: citanon at May 16, 2008 02:43 PM

If only this wasn't election year grandstanding. Remember, he is/was in a position to say / do something before this, in his position on the committee. Talk is cheap...

Posted by: Seen the elephant at May 16, 2008 02:34 PM

I agree with Murtha?

Well, even Satan himself has to enjoy the occasional frosty beverage, so there ya go: even stopped clocks being right twice a day, and all.

Posted by: Brad at May 16, 2008 01:09 PM

Well, what do you know, a democrat I agree with. Miracles do happen. ;)

Posted by: Brian at May 16, 2008 12:51 PM