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Posted by: autonomous at May 30, 2008 03:34 PM

On an unrelated note, way to take a beautiful aircraft like the B-2 and make a retarded looking cousin for it..one ugly as hell plane right there.

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Regarding the 747-bomber comments, I don't think we're going to invade China with the American Airlines logo still stenciled on the tail. However, in a low surface to air threat warzone, the B-52 isn't much more than a bomb truck. Doing close air support at 30,000 feet, it is slow, non-stealthy, and I doubt its ECM gets much exercise. The B-52 is a giant plane, with an insanely long loiter time, and circles the battlefield dropping dozens of JDAMs. Why not a 7X7-style aircraft to replace it?

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Good point, I am not sure about the C-130, it is an older plane that serves multiple purposes. I'm still sticking to my point about 747 bombers though, they would at least have to change a lot about the plane, maybe take the wings back and get rid of the hump, call it something else.

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""Now MY question: For what purpose would any responsible member of society speculate in a public forum over the nature of any unrecognizable defense budget line item? Please couch your answers keeping in mind that under EO 12598 (as amended) we pay our elected representatives to do that for us well out of the public eye. Tin Foil Hat folk need not reply.""

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1. If we're known to be spending X dollars on one thing, potential enemies know we aren't spending it on something else that they might be worried about. This helps adversaries/competitors in allocating their time and resources to develop a counter to something we're doing and not spend scarce resources pursuing false echos.

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Help me out here. What precisely would be the benefit to U.S. security from not disclosing the fact that it was spending $2.6 billion on a new bomber design.

To be clear, I'm not doubting the suggestion that it is, and that it would want to do so if it was doing so, but I just don't get their motive.

How would threats to U.S. security act any different if they went public? Spys, for example, already know who the major defense contractors are, so the list of potential espionage targets wouldn't be much different.

One wouldn't, obviously, want to disclose detailed capabilities that could be defeated, but it is hard to imagine any counter-defense to the general idea of a next generation long distance bomber that current U.S. capabilities don't already require them to take. Only Russia rivals the U.S. in that kind of capability right now.

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If that's the case then how did we manage to fly humanitarian aid into Myanmar in C-130's then? After all, we use C-130's for AC-130's and straight C-130's have been known to drop bombs, MOAB ring any bells? Yet in spite of that we seem to be able to use them for humanitarian aid missions just fine with nary a complaint.

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It really depends on the requirements for the new bomber. Last I checked, the Air Force had not made any official decision (at least in public) regarding what role the new bomber would fill.

$2.6 billion is certainly enough money to begin moving forward rapidly on a new design. Remember, the only reason the B-2s cost $2 billion each was because we only bought 20 of them. That's $40 billion spent on building a stealth bomber from the ground up. If this new bomber utilizes proven technologies, and is not forced to fulfill 1000 different roles (like the F-22), it could be produced at a much lower cost per plane. The $2.6 billion doesn't have to pay for the whole program -- remember, this is just payment for one year.

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Ah Rix, while a 747 bomber does have practical advantages, the reason we don't have any is because if the United States used 747's to drop bombs, no airline in the world would want to purchase 747's for commercial flight, you'd get protests and stuff. Even if we used a C-17 to drop bombs, no country would want us airlifting humanitarian support in with our war machines. The C-17 is just a cargo lift.

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The B-52 will out live us all. You have to realize that it was "overbuilt" for a specific mission, then modified for low level flight. This created a bomber that can fly circles around today's disposable bombers.

The B-52 also show us a failing in the airforce thought. Making super high tech bombers is fine and great, but when you get down to actual missions, you do not need all the stealth and ecm. We should have a bunch of workhorse "B-52's" for heavy bombing in low to medium threat environments and a few high end bombers for the for the high threat environments.

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Are we really going to use the B-52 for almost a century? I'm guessing it will be aluminum shreds long before that. Either we start building bombers off of commercial airframes (787 with a payload bay, perhaps) or we need something new. The AF would be deficient if they weren't looking ahead to future needs. Of course, 2.6bn would get you about one nose wheel of a modern military aircraft...

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I'm with JeffM on this; a few billion dollars can do alot of prototyping, alot of studies, especially if the work is essentially derivative (no hypersonic flight, using time-tested current stealth tech).

Doesn't make it TRUE, but then again, doesn't disqualify it on the face of the claim.

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Posted by: Dan at May 27, 2008 07:03 PM

C4Casey, comparing this program to the B-2 doesn't make much sense. The B-2 was revolutionary, while the point of the NGB is to reduce costs with a smaller less complicated aircraft. Composites are becoming the norm. The $20-$40 billion typically spent on advanced aircraft development is spread over 10 years or so.

I think $2 billion represents a significant investment, well beyond the design and planning stage, they are building this thing right now, most certain.

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"secret bomber" LOL, apparently not :)

Posted by: Cornflakes at May 27, 2008 06:08 PM

Oh, and 2.6 billion dollars might sound like alot, but it is not nearly enough to fund a bomber program. A single B-2 stealth bomber costs roughly two billion dollars. The BAMS contract may have been a billion dollar program, but that was for building a few "cheap" UAVs, not expensive high-tech bombers.

Posted by: C4Casey at May 27, 2008 05:53 PM

Baloney. They've reported claims like this before, which have turned out to be completely bogus. Didn't the Aviation Week's weblog supprt the claim that the Air Force "may have retired" a secret orbital spaceplane? The problem with reporting secret projects is that they are secret, and I am highly sceptical that you can conclude that they have been awarded a secret bomber contract based on financial reports, escpecially since the Air Force announced their desire for a new bomber fairly recently.

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