OMG -- We've got someone citing well known crackpot Jeff Rense to prove their argument!!!

Posted by: Tinian at June 24, 2008 03:35 PM

To the poster "WR":

You wrote: "Yes, as my meteorologist friend confirms, they are researching a weather machine."

Yup, the U.S.A. are researching the weather machine:

http://www.rense.com/general50/owningweather.htm

And "for some vague reason" N.A.S.A. is already shelving its weather satellites (big quiz question: "Why could that possibly be...?" Aren't weather satellites any Space Agency's daily bread?) :

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2006/06/09/nasa_shelves_climate_satellites/

You say that "weather weapons" don't exist yet?

Maybe A LOT of the actual bizarre meteorological phenomena happening world-wide (almost on a daily basis now!) are owed ENTIRELY to the greenhouse effect, you know, the same greenhouse effect whose existence your Neocon Administration dogmatically denies even as they happen in their own backyard ("100-years-storms", "500-years-floods", etc.) and wreck their own country and Economy and peoples' lives (Katrina and now Ohio and the Mississippi), but I DO get suspicious when even such freak events start showing the first startling regularities, for example punctual local repetititons of the same weather phenomena, moreover when they happen in Eastern countries too (although I admit that I don't see too many other readers connecting these dots, maybe because they don't browse sufficiently varied, international news sources), like for example:

1) 22.8.2006: A Russian civilian Tupolev Tu-154 passenger plane is downed over Ukraine by a single lightning. Everybody aboard dies.

2) 23.8.2006 (= ONE DAY later) : A single lightning (again) kills 50 cows inside an Ukrainian stable too.

Or that mysteriously vanishing, over 30 meters deep lake in Chile, in May of 2007 - another interesting geological first honouring us in our life-times. Etc.
Maybe I'm just over-associating wildly, but "caution is the mother of the porcelain chest", and anyway, if we can't effectively supervise our freely ravaging "Democratic" governments, are we still worth living in Freedom then? Should we wait for our dictators to come forward after each invasion excusing themselves that "they were misled by faulty intelligence again" or that "they ignored the warning signs from all the agencies", etc.?

Anyway, what do you think of this information here (it's a recently declassified, digitalized ORIGINAL U.S. document of the middle '40s about artificially triggered earthquakes and man-made earthquakes by the U.S.A. - unfortunately I couldn't find any patriotic "defensetech" articles about that) :

http://www.vialls.com/cia/oss_earthquakes.html

In 60 years from now I'll show you a similar declassified document about the Indonesian tsunami from the 26th of December of 2004 - detailed theories about that already abound!

And maybe, just maybe, the U.S.A. aren't the only ones interested in such unconventional weaponry, even for INCONCEIVABLY more Machiavellian purposes! Have you noticed how breathtakingly effective that recent earthquake in China diverted the attention of the World's public opinion from the extremely inconvenient protests of the "poor, poor Tibetans" (so close to the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics) to the... "poor, poor Chinese" instead? Whatever the real causes of that earthquake, it was undeniably a gift from Heaven (maybe literally) for China's unblemished image abroad... (just another "happy coincidence", as you would call it. And every single earthquake in Iran is "100 % natural" too, suuure! "Only the North Korean earthquakes aren't!" Just listen to yourself, hand-fed sheeple...)

Posted by: freefallingbomb at June 24, 2008 08:06 AM

freefallingbomb,

Though you are not anti-semtic, you are indeed conspiracy-driven. "Nut job" remains to be seen. Nothing is further from the truth that what you and Roy have said. Bush's family has connections to the Nazi's. OK, what of that? My friend has connections to the Vikings that plundered and killed my ancestors. That doesn't make my friends evil or stupid. Robert E. Lee had a direct connection to the CSA, with her man-stealing (slavery), yet that doesn't make him evil or stupid. One of the job site superintendents had indirect connections to the mafia through a friend yet had no desire to join or become a part of the mafia. That doesn't make him evil or stupid.

I assume now that you will start quoting the so-called Elders of Zion.

It is you who are the "pink-eyed sheepie, (disinformer, etc.)". You have yet to show any credible sources for your so-called "facts". Until you do so, your "facts" are merely hypotheses.

Roy,

Yes, as my meteorologist friend confirms, they are researching a weather machine. However, no one has successfully tested or even deployed a weather machine yet. So, the weather-machine-induced storms are currently storms in your own head.

Posted by: WR at June 23, 2008 07:53 PM

To the same poster "C4Casey":

P.S.:

FACT NR. 2: Bush (I + II) is also buddy-buddy with Bin Laden's entire family, who even repeatedly bailed out Bush II's bankrupt oil-drilling businesses in the U.S.A. .

HARD FACT NR.1: The F.B.I. officially concluded all investigations into 11 / 9 saying that Bin Laden and even ANYONE ELSE inside his al-Qaeda organization are COMPLETELY INNOCENT of the 11 / 9 attacks:

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47109

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/06/fbi-has-no-evidence.html

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

Etc.

DUBIOUS FACT NR. 2: As your President, Bush would NEVER lie to you about being seriously committed to capturing that one odd Laden family member, right?

Now you tell me, pink-eyed sheeple (or paid professional Pentagon spy / disinformer / propagandist) : Why did you invade Afghanistan again?

Posted by: freefallingbomb at June 22, 2008 07:11 PM

To the poster "C4Casey":

You completely missed the point of my answer to the poster "Roy Smith": I merely agreed with him that there is a slight possibility of a secret U.S. Nazi - al-Qaeda Collaboration. It may not be a proven fact yet, but after that enormous (but rather strange...) success of the Talibans with their prison-break it's not entirely fiction either, and it would not even be the first time in History that that happens... just ask your President about his family's connections to the (original) Nazis, oh blissful American ignorant!

I recommend the same to any other guys here who call "me" an anti-Semite or a "conspiracy-nut"!

More questions?

Posted by: freefallingbomb at June 22, 2008 05:33 PM

Man-oh-man! freefallingbomb is quite the anti-semitic, conspiracy driven nut-job.

Posted by: Tinian at June 22, 2008 09:44 AM

Freefallingbomb - ass usual you distort the information from these articles and draw ridiculous conclusions from them.

> 380 tons of explosives gone missing from iraq.

Well, for an army that had thousands of tons of explosives at its disposal, 380 tons is a fraction of the old Iraqi Army arsenal. And as for the "strong enough to be used in Nuclear Weapons" comment well yeah, if you blew up all 380 tons at the same time. But that would mean a single source stole the munitions, which is untrue. When U.S troops moved in, hardcore Iraqi soldiers and militia realized the conventional stage of the war was hopeless for them, so they smuggled all the RPGs, grenades, mortars, and artillary rounds they could out of the arms dumps and into the hands of insurgents. Also, we've been at war in Iraq for 5 years, and the insurgents during that time frame have used well over 380 tons of explosives on us.

>4,000 MANPADS missing.

This really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be. First of all, most of the Iraqi army's arsenal consisted of old, obsolete russian MANPADS. Secondly, MANPADS have very short shelf-lives if you can't replace the batteries in them that power the missile's tracking device. If those missiles haven't been used now then they probably never will be. And finally, MANPAD attacks in Iraq are fairly rare. The vast majority of helicopters that have been brought down have been from RPG-7 fire. Against helo's, the RPG-7 is actually a fairly effective surface-to-air missile if you have alot of them in one place.

> 325,000 weapons were lot track of.

No, if you read the article the U.S did not lose track of 325,000 weapons. Some weapons out of the batch of 325,000 weapons delivered never had their serial numbers recorded, which makes them harder to keep track of. While this is still troubling, it does not mean the U.S lost all of those weapons.

> A large U.S weapons dumb exploded under "mysterious" circumstances.

Um, so? It's called war. You see, in war, sometimes you win, sometime the bad-guy wins. On that particular night, the bad-guy won by blowing up a munitions dumb. And the cost of replacing those weapons compared to the total cost of the war is nil.

And finally, I am sick and tired of you degrading the credibility of this post by posting your anti-American bullshit on it. You routinely post unsubstantiated claims and distorted facts in order to make America look bad. You want to post that crap? Fine. Just don't do it on this blog since we prefer to debate maters of fact, not fiction.

Posted by: C4Casey at June 22, 2008 08:38 AM

To the poster "Roy Smith":

Have a good afternoon! I'm also positive that the U.S. Armed Forces conspire together with al-Qaeda to needlessly extend these two wars with staged actions from both sides. Alias, EXACTLY the same secret, promiscuous, highly profitable U.S. Nazi government - Muslim "terrorists" Collaboration happens in oil-rich Iraq too, very reminiscent of the commercial spirit that once motivated the European Crusaders. How else do you explain that all the following items disappeared right under their U.S. guards' noses and wound up in "terrorists"' hands, to pop thousands of rankless U.S. soldiers in these W.W.F.-like feigned "combats":

1) The U.S. Armed Forces "somehow lost track" of 325.000 weapons purchased for the Iraqi Security Forces by December of 2006:

http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CTOP/ntopNews_uUKN2981229420061030

2) 380 tons of high explosives gone missing in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, strong enough to be used in nuclear warheads:

http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/26/top13.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread91020/pg1
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/25/iraq.explosives/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136466,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-25-missing-explosives_x.htm
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2004-10/2004-10-25-voa15.cfm?CFID=8883268&CFTOKEN=77204303
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives/
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/10/26/explosives_were_looted_after_iraq_invasion?pg=full

3) A large U.S. American ammunition dump in the Green Zone, in the center of the Baghdad, Iraq, also exploded during three night hours under mysterious circumstances. Now all of these expensive ammunitions will have to be bought again...

4) 4.000 (yes: FOUR THOUSAND !!!) man-portable ground-to-air-missiles (= small anti-aircraft missiles) gone missing in Iraq after the U.S. invasion:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31050-2004Nov6.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-11-07-missiles-edit_x.htm

Imagine if only 10 % of them, no: Even A S-I-N-G-L-E of these 4.000 man-portable ground-to-air missiles makes it out of Iraq... One day some "friendlies"'s (= groveling U.S. lackeys') government jet is downed over the capital, or the national al-Jazeera correspondent gets hit, some helpful (but unsolicited) U.S. "Embassy" staffer with dark sun-glasses or one of those scurrilous panting "Israeli" "general-purpose experts" (LOL!) appears miraculously at the crime scene, relegates the national cops to their natural, secondary tasks ("don't let anyone near those limousines!" "Sí sí, Señor, gracias Señor, muy amable, Señor!"), "stumble" upon the missile launcher and conclude on the spot that "ohhh, apparently al-Qaeda now targets our allies too. We need to intensify our anti-Terror cooperation... How about you let us drill your oil fields?"

And since 4 unsuspecting U.S. Marines (sentries on night duty) died in that blast / prison break in Kandahar, Afghanistan, I also believe that the top U.S. brass previously cherry-picked precisely all those U.S. soldiers who should get massacrated by the Talibans on that night (or do you really think that they would risk the lives of their own relatives?). They do that in the U.S. prisons ALL the time, even live on TV (Lee Harvey Oswald and his Jewish silencer, Jack Leon Ruby, né Jacob Rubenstein, for example). Knowing the U.S. Americans as I know them, I bet that the U.S. Armed Forces cynically chose the most promising, most idealistic, most integer of all their soldiers - ask their families! - to be slain on that night... And had any of them even escaped their tragic destinies alive - say, by some "divine intervention" or so - then they would be court-martialled and condemned to life in jail now for "gross ineptitude / criminal negligence", although it was probably General Betraeous himself who swapped the explosives on a foggy night with the Talibans in Bin Laden's cave for a truckload of heroin, kidnapped babies and human organs etc. . (How did the "Talibans" nearly manage to assassinate Cheney at night during his last surprise visit to Afghanistan, hmmm? Why did front-line leader George Smith Patton die in a "car accident" very shortly after all that German Nazi gold was discovered? Etc. etc. ... It's all in the Internet, just like the whole Truth about 11 / 9, the anthrax attacks afterwards, Kennedy, etc. etc. . Investigate! But I've already noticed that you're closer to the Truth with your opinions than 99,999999 % of all the other U.S. Americans...)

That's the "inherently good" America for you (the "Land of the Free and of the Just" or some similar touching hogwash) !

Posted by: freefallingbomb at June 20, 2008 12:26 PM

Our US-101 is British. Our C-27J is Italian. Our M249 is Belgian. Our UH-72A is German. That's just off the top of my head. Let's not be so quick to fly off the handle assuming foul play.

It's also quite flawed to assume that the KC30 is inherently a better value for the taxpayer than the KC767 simply because the first A330 was built more recently than the first 767. If I tell you your job is to pound nails into the frame of a house and you can choose between a hammer based on a design from 100 years ago or a brand new jackhammer ... you get the drift. The right tool for the job is not necessarily the newest, sexiest, or largest. So ... a little less acrimony and a little more intelligent discourse please.

Posted by: NeilM at June 19, 2008 09:48 PM

freefallingbomb:

take your whiny, lame, loser Eurotash ass and your shitty Eurotanker with you. The KC767 was and IS the superior tanker, and the American taxpayer has been saved from the boondoggle of your crappy Eurotanker. You can cry all you want, but it still won't change the fact that Boeing has, does, and will FOREVER make better planes than your government-owned P.O.S. company Airbus. KC-767 all the way! WOOHOO!

Posted by: dustbuster at June 19, 2008 07:47 PM

From another blog:

"One Wall Street analyst said, "It's interesting what Boeing is not saying. We don't hear them saying that this lot of planes or this production run will be cheaper than the Northrop-Airbus plane."

And for the poster "pedestrian":

You arrogantly wrote: "Did European countries abort buying F-35 yet? They'll be forced to buy American, in such options they are behind in technology. US has much more to spend on R&D."

Wanna see some European war faces? "Forced to buy American"??
Right now and parallel to this tanker deal (legal contest...), Boeing and Airbus are simultaneously locked in a subsidies dispute at the World Trade Organization.
Originally (and depending on the verdict),

"only" 192 Airbus A380 Super-Jumbos

or

"only" 934 Boeing 787's (again, to leave no doubt for you: 9 - 3 - 4 Boeing 787's!)

will be at stake, but in either case a little bit more than just "179 air tankers worth $40 billion or even worth $100 billion", and certainly more than that handful of F-35's that may become exported to Europe and in which you take so much pride.
If Boeing gets to make those tankers by foul play alone, you can completely forget afterwards about any chances which the same company Boeing may still have right now to settle their own mega-lawsuit at the World Trade Organization favourably, peacefully and discretely, for example outside the courtroom... Personally, I even suspect that Boeing threw this whole cry-baby-like tantrum precisely to win more time at the World Trade court, because now Airbus certainly won't rush any legal proceedings there before this tanker deal hasn't been satisfactorily and definitively settled first (speak: In a few more years) in order to link their own final position to the tanker deal, but that's just me and my "conspiracy theories"...

Boeing's short-sighted motto seems to be: "Between each two strikes with the stick, the back is relieved"!

The direct result of all these business tactics from Boeing is a looming full-blown trade war at the beginning of a global Recession where the U.S.A. fare incomparably worse than Europe - check every single mainstream media source about that!

If the U.S.A. can't reign in their own big companies anymore then we Europeans will certainly do it for them. It won't be the first time we do it (ask Microsoft and Monsanto).

Posted by: freefallingbomb at June 19, 2008 06:28 PM

Ed,

Its not Boeing's fault that the NG/EADS design is based on an Airbus airframe that is too big & heavy that despite its greater CAPACITY is actually inferior in CAPABILITY and that the USAF was FORCED by outside influances to alter its criteria (& reality) in order to make the non-competative KC-30 APPEAR competative so that there would even BE a "competittion" or that the USAF felt compelled by such strong outside influances to chose a tanker which it (& most everyone else) KNEW was the wrong one for the USAF.

The KC-767AT IS NOT an older airframe. Is a 2008 Corvette an "older" car than a 2008 Mustang because the 1st Corvette was introduced 12 years before the 1st Mustang?

EADS should suck it up & recognize that the KC-30 is not the right tanker for the US to replace its KC-135s with.

Posted by: pfcem at June 19, 2008 06:23 PM

and if you listen to all the senators' (D-Boeing) rhetoric about how they'll make sure the AF choose the 'right' plane, it becomes pretty clear that the airforce's mandate was indeed 'To hold a fair and open competition that Boeing wins'

the fact that the AF made such a politically unpopular decision speaks volumes about how superior they feel the KC-30 is

Posted by: irtusk at June 19, 2008 06:04 PM

> Yes Boeing knew that NG/EADS was going with an A330-200 based platform & it believed (just like MOST EVERYONE who knew jack about USAF tanker requirements & operations) that the A330-200 was too big & too heavy

no, it believed that it had bribed enough people that it would win no matter what

> Boeing will NOT try and strong arm every contract they bid for now.

no, they will make sure they have all their stooges in a row next time so it happens quietly

> And I contend that it did so even though it did not want to but was FORCED to do so by outside influance...

all your melodramatic whining about outside influence is beyond hillarious

in fact, it's pathetic

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840095.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21584-2003Oct26?language=printer
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Galloway_033104,00.html

i think it's pretty clear that Boeing has more than it's fair share of outside influence

my goodness, when you have the PRESIDENT order his chief of staff to 'get it done', how can you POSSIBLY whine about being opposed by 'outside influence'?

bizarro world

Posted by: irtusk at June 19, 2008 06:00 PM

Chris,

Right up until they announced the winner of the contract Boeing THOUGHT the selection process was fair and transparent but when the KC-X selection explained its decision it became OBVIOUS (to Boeing & others) that it in fact was not.

The KC-30 IS NOT a NG tanker, it is a A330-200 (or A330-200F) airframe MANUFACTURED mostly in France by Airbus (a subsidiary of EADS) which NG plans to "americanize" into a tanker during final.

Yes Boeing knew that NG/EADS was going with an A330-200 based platform & it believed (just like MOST EVERYONE who knew jack about USAF tanker requirements & operations) that the A330-200 was too big & too heavy. Boeng looked at offering a 767-200, 767-300, 767-400 & even a 777-200 based platform & concluded that the 767-200 was the right sized platform which could met or exceed all of the key requirements of the KC-X as stated in the RFP.

Yes Boeing could have offered a 787 based platform but would have likely lost based on the cost & risk of creating a "KC-787".

The GOA has NOT set ANY precedent here. The USAF (the KC-X selection in particular - not the USAF as a whole) did not conduct a fair & transparent competition and the GOA agreed with Boeing that it "had made a number of significant errors that could have affected the outcome of what was a close competition".

Boeing will NOT try and strong arm every contract they bid for now. It will (as it has EVERY RIGHT TO DO but VERY RARELY does) protest those cotracts which it feels have significant enough errors/flaw to warrent doing so.

Yes it is hard to believe given the Tanker fiasco 3 years ago that the Airforce would do anything to stupid getting these badly needed aircraft into service BUT IT DID. And I contend that it did so even though it did not want to but was FORCED to do so by outside influance...

Boeing is NOT throwing money at the GAO.

These Fat A-$-$ Congressmen & other beaurocrats need to stop feeding their own political egos & putting the desires of outside (even foreign) entities ahead of their own constituents and give the warfighter the best equipment (which we COULD have been getting as early as 2006).

Posted by: pfcem at June 19, 2008 05:51 PM

There are several Russian words that can be translated as "devil" or "demon" (different from the proper name "Satan" or "The Devil"). "Chyort" is one of them, and "Chertoff" resembles an English transliteration of its genetive plural form. Chertoff does not mean "son of the Devil" (that would be "Syn' Shaitana"). I doubt the word "Chertoff" has its roots in the word "chyort", but then I am qualified to comment only on grammar, not on the etymology of Russian names. Roy Smith is qualified to do neither.

Which is the larger point. His posts make it evident that he is not qualified to comment intelligently on any subject, so quit rising to his bait. Please. Your second grade teacher was right when she said "it only encourages him."

Posted by: TDS4S at June 19, 2008 03:48 PM

There are several Russian words that can be translated as "devil" or "demon" (different from the proper name "Satan" or "The Devil"). "Chyort" is one of them, and "Chertoff" resembles an English transliteration of its genetive plural form. Chertoff does not mean "son of the Devil" (that would be "Syn' Shaitana"). I doubt the word "Chertoff" has its roots in the word "chyort", but then I am qualified to comment only on grammar, not on the etymology of Russian names. Roy Smith is qualified to do neither.

Which is the larger point. His posts make it evident that he is not qualified to comment intelligently on any subject, so quit rising to his bait. Please. Your second grade teacher was right when she said "it only encourages him."

Posted by: TDS4S at June 19, 2008 03:46 PM

Here's my source.Before anyone sharply criticizes my source(it's Iran),how about the news sources here that are just as "untrustworthy?" Left wing versus right wing,CNN & MSNBC versus Fox News,each news agency has its own agenda to grind & its own slant to put out."U.S." DOESN'T mean the U.S. military,it could mean the "neo-con scumbags(like DHS head Michael "Devil/Son of the Devil(what his last name really means)" Chertoff)" who are destroying our nation for their selfish means.
Anyway,adding more fuel to fire about the Air Force being in disarray,there is an article out about the Air Force losing nuclear weapon parts.
As far as modernizing the U.S. military goes,I bet that Department of Homeland Security,FEMA,& Northern Command are not getting shorted monetarily or equipment wise.I don't hear about any contracts being disputed with them or accusations of "fraud." Like it or not,our government is not concerned about Iraq or Afghanistan.Look at the money & you'll see who our government thinks the real "terrorist threat" is(money for DHS,FEMA(whose job is to enforce martial law,not provide disaster relief),& Northern Command,but none for the other military commands fighting in Iraq,Afghanistan,& covering Europe,Asia & the Pacific,Africa,& latin America).
We are building up an internal domestic security gendarme(that'd where ALL the money is going),& our military equipment for self defense against foreign threats is decaying.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=60249§ionid=351020403

US role in Afghan prison attack
Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:39:43
"US-led forces have played a part in a Taliban attack on an Afghanistan prison that set hundreds of militants free, some reports speculate.

Experts in regional affairs believe that Taliban militants attacked the Kandahar prison with the green light from US forces.

They say it is questionable - how could the militants dare attack the prison with US-led troops stationed just northeast of the jail?

The sources also noted that although clashes between Afghan security forces and the militants lasted for several hours, US-led troops did not intervene.

Ordinary people share the idea, asking how is it possible that hundreds of militants could attack a government prison, detonating more than 800 kilograms of explosives and foreign forces show no reaction.

They say the blasts were deafening and awakened everyone in the region. No one can claim not being aware of the attack.

"There are two opinions among Afghans following up the attack; non-political individuals say the Taliban managed to attack the prison with the help of God, while those more political believe that US forces helped them," Ahmad Saadat, a political expert, said.

He compared the foreign forces' struggle with Afghan insurgents to a movie that ends before reaching a conclusion.

Saadat added that Afghans are tired of war and that only a few illiterate people, called Taliban, are fighting foreign forces.

He emphasized that while these groups should oppose foreign forces, they do things in favor of them with consequences that they are not aware of.

He said foreign forces have chosen these militant groups to achieve their own objectives under the pretext of defending Islam.

He also said that since the number of Taliban militants is shrinking, foreign forces planned the attack with Pakistan's assistance to encourage the militants' move.

This political expert believes that the assault on the prison was essentially a US plan. Otherwise, after the first blast, the heavily armed US, Canadian, and Afghan troops would have intervened.

Showing no reaction proves that foreign forces had a role in the escape of more than 1000 inmates, 400 of them Taliban, from the prison."

Posted by: Roy Smith at June 19, 2008 02:36 PM

Really Roy? And what credible source can you give me that the U.S "gave the green light" for the Taliban to attck the prison, or that the U.S let them out? Really, I've heard some pretty ridiculous acusations on Defense Tech, but the one you just leveled has to be the most absurd comment I've heard yet. To claim that our military leaders are in some way conspiring with our enemy to continue this current war is insulting to any self-respecting member of our armed forces and is downright shameful. If you have a CREDIBLE source from where this information came from then please share it with us. If not then please refrain from posting such trash.

Posted by: C4Casey at June 19, 2008 10:58 AM

Why should I take the Global war on Terror seriously when it is SO OBVIOUS that my own government doesn't?

Posted by: Roy Smith at June 19, 2008 09:50 AM

The only thing all of this proves is that our government,the Pentagon,& the Military-Industrial Complex do not take seriously the Global War on Terror.You tell me who is still acting like it's September 10,2001? We are supposed to be in the fight for our lives & our very way of life,but our leadership is playing silly BS games with our economy,fuel,& now even food.
There is a "vicious" rumor that all of those Taliban prisoners that "escaped" from that prison were indirectly let out by the U.S.(or at least the green light was given from the U.S. for the Taliban to attack the prison & break them out) to justify continuing the fighting in Afghanistan.
You can see just how seriously the GWOT is taken when we can't even get a simple air tanker replaced & a new one put into service.Could you see or even imagine the same political games being played during World War II like is being played today?

Posted by: Roy Smith at June 19, 2008 09:48 AM

You know, I wonder if Gates knew this might be coming? He selected a logistics guy for Chief of Staff. Watch for thunder on Capitol Hill. I am hoping this guy gets up there and basically flips off Boeing and tells everyone he is going for the plane that will be the best for the nation's interests because it is the best plane for the job.

Its not Northrop's fault that the Boeing design sucks and is based on a much older airframe than that of the KC-45. Boeing, suck it up, you have been losing bid after bid because of one reason, you guys are recycling old ideas. Your best sellers are ones that were first created by Mcdonnell Douglas. So get a backbone, realize you lost and get to work. The F-15, F-18, and the AH-64 are old airframes now, get with the program.

Posted by: Ed at June 19, 2008 07:24 AM

>Even worse, how will we EVER sell anything to Europe?

Did European countries abort buying F-35 yet? They'll be forced to buy American, in such options they are behind in technology. US has much more to spend on R&D.

Posted by: pedestrian at June 19, 2008 12:44 AM

>Yes the Blended Wing 797.
Agree, Boeing should consider aborting 767, and bring in 797, or should 777 and 787 be one of the options?

Posted by: pedestrian at June 19, 2008 12:40 AM

Bring in Scaled Compsites, Mojave CA for some new tanker project or examine the All blended wing Boeing 797 for a next Gen Tanker model for TransPac missions alone.
Yes the Blended Wing 797.

Posted by: stephen russell at June 18, 2008 09:38 PM

Even worse, how will we EVER sell anything to Europe?

Posted by: Rix at June 18, 2008 08:44 PM

Ken, look at the previous post...I included the entire GAO letter describing their rationale...

Posted by: Christian at June 18, 2008 06:16 PM

Right up untill they announced the winner of the contract Boeing said the "selection process was fair and trnsparent" and when they lost they are crying foul? They were putting out false claims about Northrop's tanker being a french aircraft, rallying their congressional cronies to buy "American". Let me get this straight Boeing agreed that the process was transparent, They knew Northrop would go with a bigger Airframe, They could of based theirs on the 787 but were too arrogant and thought they had it all but won. The GAO is setting a dangerous precedent here, Boeing will try and strong arm every contract they bid for now. It will take years to get these systems to the warfighter. It's hard to believe given the Tanker fiasco 3 years ago that the Airforce would do anything to stupid getting these badly needed aircraft into service. Seems like Boeing is throwing money at the GAO. These Fat A-$-$ Congressmen like Murtha need to stop feeding their own political egos and give the warfighter the best equipment.

Posted by: Chris at June 18, 2008 04:49 PM

Why even bother with a 'competition' if politicians are going to intervene, either domestically or internationally?

We will keep having competitions until the politicians get the 'right' choice. That's fair.

It is time for a third party airplane builder, instead of Boeing and EADS. China or Russia would be fitting.

Posted by: HumanPestControl at June 18, 2008 04:28 PM

These days Boeing is better at ripping off the US tax payer than building a better product. Europe may take retaliatory measures if Boeing's temper-tantrum prevails.

Posted by: kevin at June 18, 2008 04:27 PM

Boeing's minions on the move - right on schedule.

Posted by: SMSgt Mac at June 18, 2008 04:18 PM

I would like to see how its going to effect the 3rd round too
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Posted by: Military Personal Checks at June 18, 2008 04:07 PM

It would be nice if they would set aside politics for a little while so the military might actually be able to buy something. I think this ruling is going to open the door for the Democrats to cut defense procurement so they can shift the money to other goverment programs.

Posted by: Doug at June 18, 2008 04:07 PM

Yes lets have a free and fair competition where they guys with the most pork bring home the bacon.

Heaven forbid that the forces get the most effective kit at the right time. After all they hardly register in the voter population.

This is a clear message thet the USA will shaft you in business just like Russia (fund the exploration and then allow a take over or go to jail).

This is going to be a primo excuse for Europe to fee the USA with an empty tit !!

Posted by: Russ Moore at June 18, 2008 03:51 PM

Yes lets have a free and fair competition where they guys with the most pork bring home the bacon.

Heaven forbid that the forces get the most effective kit at the right time. After all they hardly register in the voter population.

This is a clear message thet the USA will shaft you in business just like Russia (fund the exploration and then allow a take over or go to jail).

This is going to be a primo excuse for Europe to fee the USA with an empty tit !!

Posted by: Russ Moore at June 18, 2008 03:50 PM

The GAO came out with some specific reasons for their criticism of the AF bid. I don't know if the AF response will be public or not, but I would like to know the "key performace" items the GAO said were handled improperly.

Posted by: Ken at June 18, 2008 03:28 PM

Amazing. I wonder how this may affect the 3rd round in CSARX in a couple months.

Posted by: C. Foskey at June 18, 2008 03:16 PM

> the process that produced such a flawed result

i love how he tries to conflate the process with the result

the GAO even specifically that its finding had nothing do with which was the superior product

Posted by: irtusk at June 18, 2008 03:07 PM