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Posted by: xfgh at July 20, 2008 04:44 PM

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Posted by: Kwa009 at July 19, 2008 03:30 AM

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Lethal injection ruins the organs that the Chinese harvest for organ transplants.If they want the heart,they shoot in the head.If they want the eyes,they shoot in the heart.Somebody said that if you behead with the guillotine,you could harvest all organs without damage,but that's off-topic.The Chinese are starting,or trying,to assert themselves as the world's only superpower & we,& the rest of the world,are letting them get away with it.The Chinese though are using weapons,not military,to control the world.They are using their vast wealth(especially in Africa),their control of U.S. debt,& the sale of their products to control the rest of the world.They are also placing their companies in key points of the world,like the Panama Canal,to control the flow of goods.Their "civilian" companies running the Panama Canal could shut it down anytime they wanted to.The Same goes with the Spratley Islands cutting down trade to Japan & South Korea.If they finally get control over Taiwan,they'll have that much more of a grip over the flow of goods in & out of Japan & South Korea.Because we abandoned Subic Bay & Clark's Field,we have no say in this & Okinawa & Guam are too far away from the game to make a difference in this.The same goes with the Panama Canal & us pulling out of there.China just moved right in & took over.Look for the Chinese to move right into Gitmo if we ever pull out of there.Most likely the only reason why they haven't moved right into Roosevelt Roads Naval Station after we abandoned it is because Puerto Rico is still an American territory,although that never stopped them from moving into the former Long Beach Naval Base,thanks to "Slick Willie" Clinton,after we closed it.The Chinese are more effectively buying their way into power than the Saudis are.

Posted by: Roy Smith at July 18, 2008 08:48 AM

Maybe China should follow their own "normal" procedure - round up a couple thousand innocent people - men, women, and children, then execute them - in public of course - good entertainment! The Chinese government has mobile vans (built by Fiat in China) to perform lethal injection executions in a more efficient assembly line fashion. Of course President Bush must attend the games or it might offend the Chinese (his own words). What a crock! At least our "leadership" recognizes our new master. I feel for the athletes being the pawns in this, however, anybody attending or endorsing this mockery is not deserving of anybody's respect or support.

Posted by: Mike D at July 18, 2008 07:47 AM

USA lead in protection of media rights on the internet, China is using our own rules against us.
I'll tell ya what I'm doing about it, I'm not watching.

Posted by: Obsydean at July 18, 2008 12:10 AM

>>Contrast this with the tanker replacement debacle. Whatever the relative merits of the Boeing & Airbus proposals really are, you can be sure the average Euro thinks that Boeing is getting an unfair chance at a "do over".

You don't have to be a European to think that. It's blatantly obvious. Airbus put up a tanker that was superior in literally every possible way, and thus it was selected. Boeing is being given a do-over because they're an American company, even though "buy American" was never one of the criteria for the contract.

Posted by: Cal at July 17, 2008 10:40 PM

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Posted by: WR at July 17, 2008 09:33 PM

Will - Dude you don't get it! THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW! Why should anyone respect their IP rights when they do not respect ours? 85% of counterfeit goods come from China. I wish some of the people on here would pay attention to the nightly news or read a paper once in a while.

You can say you will enforce your IP rights, you can say you will seek immediate legal action in the international courts - but you do NOT threaten to "Take Down Their Web Site" I am a lawyer and practice IP law

Posted by: Bush at July 17, 2008 03:55 PM

Whatever the threat of cyber attacks from China may or may not be, this "attack" on pirate Olympics video is not part of it. There's no reason to think that Xu is talking about illegally hacking into international websites - unless you're just trying to stir things up for the the sake of stirring things up.
Doesn't anyone else see the irony that this "attack" will be for the benefit of the broadcast rights purchased by a US corporation (NBC)? What Xu is saying, it will NOT be "business as usual" when a multinational corp is paying big $$ to do business in China.
Contrast this with the tanker replacement debacle. Whatever the relative merits of the Boeing & Airbus proposals really are, you can be sure the average Euro thinks that Boeing is getting an unfair chance at a "do over".

Posted by: Will at July 17, 2008 03:40 PM

I think Kevin should be the Cyber Czar Obama taled about. If anyone could keep us safe - it would be Kevin! And oh boy would China have their hands full then!

Posted by: Ted at July 17, 2008 03:26 PM

Look at all the stuff they pirated thur out the years.military secrets,equipment,electronic gear,you name it they have done it. but now that big bucks that will come out of the games and they don't want to share.spoiled sports,turn abouts fair play,if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.suck a hind tit.go tell mommy and daddy.

Posted by: ron pond at July 17, 2008 03:13 PM

Did you not read the Wall Street Journal piece that canme out this morning? It is no doubt to me that Bernard and Markus are CLUELESS. I think the WSJ article called your type "positively ostrich-like" !!!!! Kevin, your vision and concern over our national security is great. Since b, bernard, Markus and any others don't believe it and think you dream this up, you are dreaming - you are in great company with the NSA, CIA, State Dept. and many others. Keep up the good work and overlook the children!

Posted by: SPyGuy at July 17, 2008 02:48 PM

It must be noted also that China is also threatening nations or individuals who deal with Taiwan or the Dalai Lama.China has already threaten retaliation against France if their president goes ahead & meets with the Dalai Lama.Personally,the Dalai Lama means nothing to me,but if the French President,or any other leader of a nation wants to meet with him,it's none of the Chinese's business.They are already expecting Olympic athletes to drop dead because the air pollution is so bad,but nobody in power wants to make waves because they are afraid of offending the Chinese.American Olympic officials are afraid of allowing American athletes to wear respirator masks to protect them from the pollution(it's that bad) because they don't want to offend the Chinese.
Why should we worry about offending the Chinese,they don't worry about killing us with the shoddy & hazardous products they sell us.

Posted by: Roy Smith at July 17, 2008 02:21 PM

MarKus Wolf says: "They love scaring themselves with this stuff."

Yep.

The problem is when these people start to believe in propaganda in a real fight.

They will miss defending against the real danger and attack the false one.

That's the reason why I'd never hire one Kevin Coleman.

Posted by: b at July 17, 2008 02:03 PM

Bernhard, glad I wasn't the only one to notice that this is another of Kevins' cyber-attack fantasies. This is the kind of fear mongering that is a hallmark of the neo-con, kooky right wingers. They love scaring themselves with this stuff.

Posted by: markus Wolf at July 17, 2008 12:51 PM

Thanks.

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links to the comment below:

Bruce Schneider on Chinese hackers:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/chinese_cyber_a.html

CSM on U.S. laptop searches:
http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2008/07/10/us-defends-laptop-searches-at-the-border/

Posted by: b at July 17, 2008 11:50 AM

Whatever TDS4S might think, "b" is short for Bernhard. I am German and live in Hamburg, Germany. I don't know Chinese, have never been in China and have relation to any Chinese entity. I am btw, a lieutenant of reserve and have led a tank platoon. I am interested in military tech and that's why I read here.

Back to the issue.

What Kevin Coleman is trying in his piece is to pretend that China is a cyber threat.

Genuine cyber experts like security guru Bruce Schneider disagree. According to him the lone hackers from China are the threat, not the government.

Maybe Kevin Coleman can translate the Chinese announcement he linked to? Can he read Chinese?

All English language sources of these announcements says that Chinese website which illegally reproduce TV content from the Olympics will be shut down by the government.

If I put up the latest Hollywood blockbuster on my blog in the U.S. that blog will be shut down too. That's the law about everywhere.

So where please is the "olympic cyber attack threat" if not only in the fantasies of Mr Coleman (who btw makes his money by 'defending' against such imaginary threats.)

The Wall Street blog entry is quite funny too. Some fear that their laptop data might be inspected when the go to China?

The Department of Homeland Security has the right (and uses it) to copy the content of any laptop that crosses U.S. borders.

My company even demands that I only take a "clean" laptop with me when traveling to the U.S.

So the WSJ blog fears that China might do something what the U.S. officially does.

Lunatic.

Posted by: b at July 17, 2008 11:49 AM

The Olympics in China...

Well the Olympic rings do kinda look like leg irons...

I just wonder if they are going to include any of the local events, like tank dodging in Tiananmen Square... The guys with bayonets will add a whole new degree of difficulty for the foreign competitors...

Posted by: ptsfp at July 17, 2008 11:01 AM

Just so everyone gets it, the posters "see" and "b" below work for the Chinese government. Spies, you might call them (admittedly ametuers)... a Red Chinese government attempt to take the pulse of America and then change it at the individual level. And they are probably the same people who will be tasked with internet attacks against targets that show photos or run videos from the Olymipics without official permission. DefenseTech has even run stories on their kind. Ever hear about US agencies paying bloggers to promote US foriegn policy goals on Islamic blogs? "See" and "b" are the Red Chinese analog.

Just wanted to make sure we all understand who is reading and posting.

Posted by: TDS4S at July 17, 2008 10:06 AM

Oh yeah,Walmart should also be held complicit & also charged with war crimes & crimes against humanity along with China.Those lead painted toys,tainted pet food & toothpaste,contaminated food products,& exploding tires are weapons of mass destruction.

Posted by: Roy Smith at July 17, 2008 09:58 AM

The most dangerous threat towards us from China is through their products sold through Walmart.Their products have maimed & killed so many innocent civilian non-combatants that China should be charged with war crimes.

Posted by: Roy Smith at July 17, 2008 09:55 AM

>>EVERYONE should take a look at this just out from WSJ
>This unclassified document [from the government to firms] wasn't made public.

Kevin, do you have a copy of this by any chance?

Posted by: pedestrian at July 17, 2008 09:48 AM

I hadn't planned to watch the debacle anyway. The modern Olympics is just another MONEY MAKER only with an international flavor. After they were here in 96 I found that the majority of those in charge were elitest, nose in the air, considered themselves above all others, and demanded not only preferential treatment but to be treated as GODS.

Posted by: deane gilmour at July 17, 2008 09:43 AM

EVERYONE should take a look at thsi just out from WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121625646058760485.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Posted by: Kevin at July 17, 2008 08:06 AM

There are legal ways to enforce IP rights and then there are ways thugs use. Hacking and taking down web sites do not fall into the normal legal ways the world deals with theft of IP!

Posted by: Kevin at July 17, 2008 08:00 AM

So China will enforce IP rights. Fine and about time.

But why is that here referred to as cyber attacks?

There is nothing in the official news that speaks of "attack" only of shutting down websites that illegally reproduce protected content.

Within China, that is certainly the right and even duty of the Chinese government. Outside of China other governments will take that role.

So again - why is Defense Tech hyping this as a "China Threatens Olympic Cyber Attacks"???

China has not done that at all. So why not stick to the facts?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/07/content_8505094.htm
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/6444286.html

Posted by: b at July 17, 2008 07:54 AM

Does anyone else get the feeling these Games are just one big ad for Mainland Chinese government paranoia? I have never seen a national government clamp down on it's own people or makes so many threats over the Olympics. Even when the Soviets hosted the 1980 Olympics they weren't nearly this bad. They understood they would have to relax alot of rules while the international community is looking at them, and I don't the Mainland Chinese Government gets that. It always amazes me that this government can go around victimizing people one minute and then play the innocent victim the next minute if anyone says "boo" to them. $5 says they invade Taiwan by the end of 2010, I don't trust these clowns.

Posted by: Russ at July 17, 2008 07:39 AM

No problem; don't watch. And let the Networks know, too.

Posted by: Cortland at July 17, 2008 07:32 AM

Deja vu. The 1936 Nazi Olympics = 2008 Commie Olympics. Maybe a reborn Jesse Owens will take down all nascent Master Race commie Chinese comers?

Posted by: john at July 17, 2008 07:01 AM

Using the Olympic logo on your blog? You've just made their list.

Posted by: Penguinsix at July 17, 2008 06:44 AM

China should get some of their fighter jets out of Darfur and stop helping them with flying lessons as the russians with their hinds flying on innocent people.wich is documented on the BBC!

Posted by: anthony at July 17, 2008 05:39 AM

soo.. China want to shut russian and Us sites down? good luck with that!

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Posted by: see at July 17, 2008 12:53 AM

Actually China does have IP laws - its just that they are never enforced. It should also be noted that China is one of the 184 member states of the Berne Convention. But obviously thats part of international politics.

I'm pretty sure what they are targeting are back door peer to peer streaming sites like PP-Live and other sites that converts cable TV streams to online streams. Personally I don't believe China is looking to shut down live streams from official TV stations that paid actual money, that'd be a serious breach of contract. They're more concerned with their own citizens pirating the data streams.

Another thing to note would be CCTV's sole broadcast rights are - most likely - a political move. CCTV is heavily censored state television so I honestly don't see the Chinese government wanting to have it any other way. That way they can be certain the rest of the world don't see what they don't want us to see.

Posted by: J_Teo at July 17, 2008 12:40 AM

As much as China have no respect for any ones copy rights, I say why should anyone respect theirs. Play it all over tge world and let them see how they hurt others by not respecting their copy rights.

Posted by: Frank at July 16, 2008 08:29 PM

Hey Kevin - so are you going to come out of retirement as a hacker to lead the charge? We could use ya!

Posted by: Carl at July 16, 2008 07:15 PM

It is strange that the Chinese leadership is now publicly flaunting its cyber capabilities. Clearly, they have possessed these capabilities for quite some time but have remained fairly quiet about their capabilities. Why escalate?

Posted by: Tom Skypek at July 16, 2008 06:01 PM

How in the world did China get to host the Olympics anyways? They are one of the worlds biggest human rights abusers. What, will Iran host the next one???

And the fact that they are comfortable to make such a threat just solidifies their cyberwar stance...

I think the US should put up a dummy site full of Olympic content just to track the attacks...

Posted by: ptsfp at July 16, 2008 05:23 PM

Yeah, since when does China care about intellectual property?

Posted by: Brian at July 16, 2008 04:15 PM

THEY'VE GOT BALLS! Of all the people to cry and threaten about counterfeiting anything much less content that belongs to the world.

If they take any site down - I hope the international hackercommunity responds with a Vengeance !

Posted by: SpyGuy at July 16, 2008 03:21 PM

I smell a challenge....

Posted by: princeton scotch at July 16, 2008 02:52 PM

You know I bet the world of hackers that are trolling about near sites like youtube are probably sitting there now going, hmm, I can have fun with this one. Watch the Chinese will probably get hacked themselves if they carry out any attacks.

Posted by: Ed at July 16, 2008 01:43 PM

the tighter your hold, the more galaxies will slip through your fingers.... or something like that.

good luck with that china. on the other hand, if china follows up, people will realize the threat of cyber attack and maybe we will be more prepared.

Posted by: glyc at July 16, 2008 01:36 PM

If only China took other countries IP this seriously...

Posted by: Tim at July 16, 2008 01:14 PM