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Real. I have photos of a few of us doing it too.

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Posted by: Max Anderson at July 26, 2008 06:57 PM

For Alexander:
Look at the highlights on the nose of the aircraft, the light is from the front, not the viewers left side.

And here's an actual Apache pilot's blog talking about how his unit did this 3 times in OIF 06-08.

http://guidons.blogspot.com/2008/07/do-these-guys-ever-watch-news.html#links

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Posted by: Mike at July 26, 2008 09:06 AM

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"A Multi-National Task Force (East) Soldier, rides shotgun on an AH-64 Apache during an Apache extraction exercise Aug. 25 at Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo"

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/soldiersmediacenter/1335147481/

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"In the extreme case of a battlefield or natural disaster area rescue, the pilot or co-pilot of an AH-64 Apache will ride on the outside of the helicopter so the passenger(s) can sit inside. At Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo, Aug. 25, Soldiers practice the tricky operation. Photo by Sgt. Stephen Proctor"

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Yes, it is training, it has been done at Hood several times since 2003. The method has been used several times in combat.

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That is a certain photoshop. He is on the shadow side of the helicopter, yet he has no shadows on him. He is too bright for where he is.

Plus depending on what speed it is flying at, his leg shouldn't be able to lay there. It would probably break backwards. I don't believe his hand could stay there either.

I do not doubt that things like this happen, but his particular image is a photoshop image.

Posted by: Alexander at July 25, 2008 11:58 PM

Here's a link to a forum where lots more photos are shown of the same things. It's tricky, but can be done.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=126443

Posted by: Dennis Robbins at July 25, 2008 08:59 PM

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Posted by: TrustButVerify at July 25, 2008 08:47 PM

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Posted by: brian at July 25, 2008 07:27 PM

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Posted by: Chris at July 25, 2008 05:35 PM

Just because it has been done before doesn't mean you should jump to the conclusion that a pic of it is real. Camp's post has the explanation along with a bigger/more real-looking version. Although it doesn't say why the guy is in desert camo.

Posted by: Asterix at July 25, 2008 05:05 PM

Several pic's of the Apache & Cobra Evac.

"Riding Shotgun AH-64 Apache Style"
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=126443

Posted by: Camp at July 25, 2008 04:50 PM

It could very well be real. A quick Google search got me this:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/140768.html

Not to mention, the guys foot is actually on one of the weapons.

Posted by: Stu at July 25, 2008 04:32 PM

It's real. There was a lot more information on the blogs a year and a half ago when four British Royal Marines went back into a hot LZ in Afghanistan to try to rescue a fellow marine, hanging on the outside of Apache helicopters. It was real, and there is a video of it as well. Here is my post on the topic from January of last year:

http://digitalirony.blogspot.com/2007/01/real-life-superheroes.html

Posted by: Yishai at July 25, 2008 03:16 PM

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I seem to remember an AH-64 can still run relatively effectively on only one engine if it has to. But then, with reduced crew and injured personnel onboard, I'd probably prefer to be lashed on the bottom of the wing rather than be operating on only one engine if it came down to it.

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Dramatic video footage can now be seen of the daring rescue attempt of Lance Corporal Mathew Ford, carried out by Royal Marines on Apache helicopters in Afghanistan on Monday 15 January 2007.

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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3723/is_200709/ai_n21032643

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