hi,
it is intersting for me to know how much you are wrong , i do not know why, i think you know enough about Kamikazis(japanese pilots in 2th w. war),if you waana know about Iranian pilots you should concider them more than 10 times capable than Kamikazis, and some time they are crazy and you should ...........................

Posted by: behzad at April 19, 2009 02:50 AM

hey.am jwiesh ,i will fight for us.,,but.never go to live in israel.and talking that islam is the only enemy we have is nonthes,
remember our history and u know that...
<<romans are 1st kills us,
our history show that we had good treatments from muslims.in spain,,sypruse,jurasalem.in time christians whom blaming us of jessus chrosefictine,kill us for this,,who holocost us,who killed 15000 jweish in spain.who close eyes of what happning to us in europe.?
Mr..bush,Blear,and all those asshols,shouting ,declearing war on muslims.they work with muslims money.Ben laden group lended Bush J. company 200 million 15 years ago.do u think he may sucrefey this for us or for any.????????
palastenians.is there land too as we,why they canot have thier stat,we have peace with egypt so we can have it with others.
now us,europ with us,but as it is happend befor 1940th,this can change.,why..moneyyyyyy.

Posted by: cole at October 4, 2008 07:13 PM

Boyes.it is a shame what u are saying.so .we are the most rich in world,the money we spending in war enugh to inssure our life,oil in middel east.or muslim countries is thers,and even we need it,we must buy it,same we sale every thing to them,what u expect of them,just wait our demans to delaver it?funny brain u have.we have milletary,but is it enugh to make them serround all they have to us.
in USA u can kill any one just for transpass ur proparaties.but u blqame them to refeuse gaving us what littel they have?and,,look farther ur feets..our leaders are just buissnes men,do u thiink the gave a dam for u?
hwo many amaricans,have health inssurance?the billyons we waste in war till now enugh even to secure us from any,
boy..grewup.or.go find a chick.

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> 2) We benefit tremendously by being the
> world's policeman. As much as it costs,
> and as busy as we stay with worrying over
> the actions of other countries, we gain
> enough to make it worthwhile. It is
> better to be Rome than to be the barbarian
> tribes.

Of course, we have handed our Constitutional souls over to the devil but hey:, omelettes, eggs, small price to pay, that sort of thing. The Founding Fathers would have understood perfectly I am sure.

Cranky

Posted by: Cranky Observer at August 20, 2008 09:36 PM

Brian -> "The Rapture didn't take place in the 1800s."

Or did it?
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Posted by: LogicalTom at August 20, 2008 06:51 PM

Yeah, the people who pay attention to Nostradamus and the Mayan calendar are nuts too.

The Bible is only accurate when you look at it through the lens of history. We can look back and say "oh, see, here this prophecy from 1500 BC fits with what happened here in 500 BC." The Bible is not accurate when people have tried to use it to predict the future. People who lived at the time of Jesus interpreted his prophecies to mean that the second coming would happen in just a few years. People in the middle ages thought the end of the world was approaching. In the 1800s there were people who believed they were living in the end times. In the 1960s and 1970s, people thought Yuri Gellar was the Antichrist. All of these people thought they had found scriptures that supported their beliefs. Well...

SPOILERS

Jesus did not return in 40 AD. The world didn't end in the middle ages. Martin Luther wasn't the Antichrist. The Rapture didn't take place in the 1800s.

Posted by: Brian at August 20, 2008 10:37 AM

I am not a big fan of Iran but they definitely should have launched a preemptive strike on Israel by now.

Posted by: Sam at August 19, 2008 07:31 PM

Brian,
Come on,we could have just as easily quoted Nostradamus(who people seem to take seriously & quote a lot) as far as "prophesy" goes. Look how many people are taking seriously the Mayan calender that the world will end in 2012.HG Wells predicted that World War III will begin in Basra,Iraq.
People have researched what modern nations are today in the areas of the people who occupied the same space during Old Testament times.
If the U.S. in the future was to disappear & another nation take its place,we could today only describe that future nation by landmarks we recognise today.As far as predictions go,the bible has been pretty spot on.
By the way,isn't Meshech the Hebrew(which Israel currently speaks) name for Moscow?

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 19, 2008 04:21 PM

5) Old Testament prophecies need to stay where they are -- in the Old Testament. There is absolutely ZERO reason to believe that an ancient prophecy is about to come to pass RIGHT NOW. The prophecies of that age were misinterpreted by pretty much every single person in the Bible. They are NEVER easy to see or interpret. I think the chances of angels breaking open seven seals and unleashing plagues upon the land in the near future are somewhat less than the chances that they DON'T break open seven seals and unleash plagues.

Posted by: Brian at August 19, 2008 04:02 PM

Let's look at some basic facts to keep all of this in the proper perspective.

1) There is no replacement for oil that is as economically efficient as oil. We can go to solar and nuclear power and have cars that are propelled by rainbow sunshine, and the technology will work, but we'll be paying two and three times what we would pay for oil. This simple reality affects how we must act in global politics.

2) We benefit tremendously by being the world's policeman. As much as it costs, and as busy as we stay with worrying over the actions of other countries, we gain enough to make it worthwhile. It is better to be Rome than to be the barbarian tribes.

3) These little buttcrack countries are dangerous only in the sense of a hornet's nest. Iran will not destroy the US. Neither will Al Quaeda or Pakistan. If it comes down to all-out war, they cannot hope to stand against us. The US will be victorious. However, we don't particularly want to get stung by the hornet if it can be avoided.

4) Russia isn't our friend. They never have been. Whatever glimmer of hope they had back with Yeltsin is long gone. They're going to stay in Georgia as long as they feel like it, pushing around the little kid to show how tough they are to the other kids in the Eastern European playground. We need to establish bases in those countries as quickly as is feasible to prevent them from doing this again and again and again.

Posted by: Brian at August 19, 2008 03:54 PM

Ok, now people here are using the old testament prophecies to predict outcome of wars...I mean, cant people talk about Israel in a rational way without going bat-shit crazy?

Posted by: Vitor at August 19, 2008 03:10 PM

iran dare not attack israel cos israel is so powerful and will wipe it of the world map.the United States is just great,GOD BLESS AMERICA.YAW

Posted by: yaw at August 19, 2008 02:48 PM

Interesting read. Indeed the old Testament does predict the distruction of the Kings of the North, East, and South. Exactly who those kings and what century is still baffling Biblical scholars. Ezekiel in the old testament bears the most information about the Armagedon taken for the Valley of Gaden in which God strikes down the Armies of the North, South and East. Incidentlly, the King of the West shall be lead to runation because of her apathy to the plight of his chosen people (Isreal). Somewhere in this melie, the Anti-Christ is to rise to power for 7 years. Turken indead does turn against Isreal in the final days too.
Are we seeing the coming of the end? Time will tell but for me I'm keeping my bags packed and maintaining my faith in Jesus Christ.
An aging Warrior but still serving,
Doc

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Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 10:13 AM

"I am not trying to be a smart ass,but why is Iran a threat?"

Roy, you succeeded. I'm totally convince you're not a smart ass.

If you have to use that opening sentence and ask why Iran is a threat you're in deep do-do and they're aren't enough words in Christendom to explain it to you.

Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 10:10 AM

Capt Zen

So what do you think Americans should give their lives for? Come on give me five things.

Freedom? How much freedom would we have if our enemies who would destroy us have if we had no oil, or say only one third of what we have today, and they controlled the rest? If they controlled the worlds sealanes and space? What were you a commissary person? Personnel? I tell ya one thing you never had to do any strategic thinking.

Come on give me the list of five and justify it.

Oh, we should just stay home and be isolationist right? Sure the bad guys will leave us alone. The Islams will stop bombings worldwide and the sun will shine every day.

Where do you live? Must be on Big Rock Candy Mountain.

Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 09:58 AM

Stitch,

....and who would you like to patrol the world? You think the bad guys are just gonna go away?

Tony Blair said it in his address to the Joint Session of Congress. Because at this time and this place in world history we are the only ones who can do it...

So Stitch unless you want to watch the Soviets and soon China controll the sealanes and the flow of oil and other vital raw materials then you'd best flush out your headgear. If it's too big a job for you just head to Canada.

Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 09:12 AM

.and Roy Smith..geez ...the real threat comes from Russia. Well now there's a real bit of strategic thinking. Who the hell do you think is behind 90% of the aggression worldwide? Who do you think wants to *uck up the West?

It takes no critical observation to understand a few critical items.
- the Cold War never ended
- Russia is always going to push the West
- the KGB guys didn't all become fishing guides after the CW. They want to be a player again.

I've fought in Angola, Rhodesia, was involved in Chile, the '73 Yom Kippur War as well as in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. The Soviets were always there too.

Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 09:05 AM

Phil Turdy and Capt Zen plus a few others are clearly full of shit.

Posted by: Habu at August 19, 2008 08:53 AM

When did the US start thinking that we should patrol the world? Its time we take care of our own and lit the rest of the world do the same. They should take on their own battles. We are not the worlds keeper.

Posted by: Stitch at August 19, 2008 08:52 AM

Yea lets keep on figting for the Zionets and see what good it dose for America.
Israel is a state of there own let them fight wars on there own. No more money no more wepons for Israel time to cut this spoiled step child losse se yea woundn't want to be yea.
They are cold blooded murders the Israelis look what the did to our ship the USS Liberty June 8 1967 the murdering bastards.
Phil Tourney Survivor

Posted by: Phillip Tourney at August 19, 2008 08:04 AM

US soldiers give their blood for oil, and that is a fact. The Zionist Neocon struggle for dominance of the Middle Eastern resources has gone on too long. Become self sufficient in energy and be done with the devastating terrorizing of other countries and peoples who happen to have the things the US has not.

Posted by: Captain Zen at August 19, 2008 07:35 AM

The difference between preparing for war against Russia & China,& preparing for war against al Qaeda & the Iranian Republican Guard is that in regards to Russia & China,we'd have to build up our military again.We'd need more ships,planes,& armored vehicles.It would be like the start of a new cold war.
In regards to al Qaeda & the Iranian Republican Guard,we only need to suspend freedoms,civil & human rights,Habeas Corpus,& start interning suspects that match the description of "terrorist threats." That includes blonde hair,blue eyed suspects,brown hair,hazel eyed suspects,red haired,greened eyed suspects,or a combination of the above.
Lets face it,the Bloods & the Crips(not to mention Chicago affiliated Folk Nation/People Nation gangs or MS-13.Whatever happened to Colombian drug gangs or Jamaican drug posses?) are a bigger threat to us than al Qaeda or the IRG,but nobody seems to want to classify THEM as illegal enemy combatants or round them up.
If you want to suppress the civil right of all Americans,then naturally you ring up the boogeymen/strawmen al Qaeda & the IRG.
Our government tells "US" people that as long as "WE" are innocent,we have nothing to fear from our government,but......the very same government tells our police & other law enforcement to treat "ALL" Americans as if they are GUILTY & potential terrorists.They are told to drop the "innocent until proven guilty" part.
You who want to suspend civil rights because of "terrorist threats" & to increase surveillance of EVERYTHING on EVERYBODY are also the ones who "pooh pooh" the real military threats out there.You weaken our national defense & leave our borders open to illegal alien invasion.You retire perfectly good & still viable weapons systems claiming we can't afford them or the manpower to run them.Now I hear that the U.S. Army wants to retire ALL M113 APCs(does that also include ALL variants?)...immediately.
So,what's the answer?

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Posted by: soss at August 19, 2008 12:41 AM

Myself,I look a lot deeper to see the right and wrong, and I don't like what I see. Just research it all and see how you feel. Just a word to the wise.

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Myself,I look a lot deeper to see the right and wrong, and I don't like what I see. Just research it all and see how you feel. Just a word to the wise.

Posted by: Bambooviper at August 18, 2008 09:14 PM

lets get our own house in order... and stop doing things halfheartedly, and let us not forget those who have gone before us, and remember/ask ourselves is a life without freedom really any life at all....and most of all to those who are bound by their word to serve our country thank you, it is never easy being a soldier,sailor or marine. But you have my deepest gratitude,let us not waste our greatest treasures by using them whimsically.. as for me i will be walking to work...and buying american, supporting our farmers
helping my neighbors.... let those with the oil try eating it for breakfast lunch and dinner... AND MAY GOD HELP US ALL!

Posted by: j.delabar at August 18, 2008 07:13 PM

Jeff M,
It is very plausible for Libya & the Sudan to lead a coalition of "ragtag" African countries(especially the African nations like Zimbabwe & Angola who are receiving aid & arms from China,just like the Sudan is doing).
it is very plausible for Israel to defeat & decimate Hezbollah(Lebanon),Hamas(& the rest of Palestine),Syria(with the nuking of Damascus,also predicted in the bible),Jordan,& Egypt in what appears to the world(& Russia,Turkey,Iran,Libya,the Sudan,& their "coalition" allies) to be a Pyrric victory where Israel is also decimated.
Things are happening that do line up with biblical prophesy made well over 2000 years or more ago(a lot of the prophesies are "Old Testament" prophesies made over 3000 years ago).
We can argue over where these ideas came from,BUT.....Russia is threatening her neighbors,Turkey could very well drive out here "secularist leaders" & replace them with islamic ones,Iran has become a threat to her neighbors,& Libya & the Sudan are rearming for a fight with someone.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 07:06 PM

"Russia continues to promise a ceasefire and a withdrawal, while her troops continue to advance their takeover of Georgia!

NEWS BRIEF: "Pledging to leave Georgia, Russia instead tightens grip", International Herald Tribune, August 18, 2008

"Even as Russia pledged to begin withdrawing its forces from neighboring Georgia on Monday, American officials said that the Russian military has been moving launchers for short-range ballistic missiles into South Ossetia, a step that appears intended to tighten its hold on the breakaway territory."

This next news report is a most somber one, as it reveals the terrible degree to which Russia is committed to maintaining control over Georgia.

"The Russian military deployed several SS-21 missile launchers and supply vehicles to South Ossetia on Friday ... From the new launching positions north of Tskhinvali, the South Ossetian capital, the missiles can reach much of Georgia, including Tbilisi, the capital ... Russia's efforts to strengthen its military position in the region have important political as well as military implications ... the Russians appear to have been consolidating their presence there by deploying SS-21 missile launchers and, American officials say, installing surface-to-air missiles near their military headquarters in Tskhinvali. Such moves appear to buttress assertions last week by Russia's foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, that South Ossetia and Abkhazia are to be separated from Georgia."

Ground troop deployments are also on the move.

"A battalion from the 76th Guards Airborne Division of Russia has been deployed from Pskov to Beslan, a city in North Ossetia. Several additional battalions from the 98th Guards Airborne Division at Kostroma also appeared to be preparing this weekend for possible deployment to the Caucasus region. In recent days, several Bear-H bombers have carried out training missions over the Black Sea, according to American officials familiar with intelligence reports. The training flights represent the first time that a Bear bomber has flown over the Black Sea in at least two years, according to American military experts. The Russian bombers are capable of carrying non-nuclear cruise missiles, and government intelligence analysts have told the Pentagon that a recent Bear training flight appeared to simulate a cruise-missile attack against Georgia."

These military moves have Western intelligence wondering what Russia might have in mind beyond Georgia! After all, the Russians are the world's perennial best at Chess, which means that their thinking tends to be well ahead of the thinking of Western leaders.

"The Russian moves are seen at the Pentagon as a way for Russia to demonstrate that it considers its sphere of influence to include Georgia and other parts of the so-called near abroad zones — Belarus, Ukraine, the Caucasus and the Caspian — near Russian territory. In general, the actions are seen as a matter of muscle flexing, or 'force projection' in Pentagon parlance..."

The Russians seem clearly to have embarked upon a major diplomatic effort to counter Western and American influence within Eastern Europe, an influence which began almost immediately after these nations separated themselves from the old U.S.S.R. If the Russian leadership is as bold as they could be, they might succeed in rebuilding the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

While you might laugh at this suggestion, I guarantee you that the leaders of The Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia are not laughing.

At the very least, Russia is securing her access to the Middle East through Georgia, as we detail in our newest Headline News article, "Russian Invasion of Georgia Is Meant To Be A HUGE Warning To The West", as noted below. Cutting Edge believes that God has, indeed, "put His hooks" in the jaws of the Russian leadership, causing them to formulate the plan whereby they will one day lead a consortium of nations into the Middle East so they can personally annihilate tiny Israel. Russia has attempted to destroy Israel since 1948 by arming and training Arab armies; but, after Israel defeats the combined armed forces of the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Syrians, the Jordanians, and the Egyptians, Russia will decide to implement her final "Plan Z", and that is to lead the destruction effort personally.

This type of plan is already being put into motion and is in its final stages. And, that means Russia must secure passage through Georgia!"

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 06:54 PM

Ugh, you guys are fucking crazies. If the world blows up "by the books" it's because of crazies like you who think the bible predicts the future. Don't you realize how crazy that is?

Here, do a little experiment, take your hand and put it in front of your face. YOU DID IT! YOU MADE IT HAPPEN!

Posted by: Jeff M at August 18, 2008 06:40 PM

Cole,
"The prophecies in Ezekiel 38 and 39 indicate that God will put a hook in the jaw of Russia and bring her down against the land of Israel in the latter years."
The idea of Russia attacking Israel defies common sense & conventional wisdom,but Russia WILL attack Israel.

Meanwhile,China will use North Korea to threaten South Korea,Japan,& pretty much the rest of the northern hemisphere(including North America & Europe) with ICBM technology that China AND Pakistan gave her(China most likely gave her the missiles too,since China has the technology to send astronauts & satellites into space). Plausible deniability will be on the part of China,because she can just say that North Korea is a renegade "loose cannon." You said that,"Rockets and missiles are the poor country's solution to being hoplessly outmatched in air supremacy due to stealth technology." If North Korea is proved to have missiles that can reach the targets I mentioned,she had to of received the help & technology from someone far more advanced than she is(& that is China with the assistance of Pakistan). The same goes for Iran & the "help" she received. China is slyly using proxies to fight her wars for her,& when the world is busy fighting her proxies,she can then attack & invade Taiwan without interference from the U.S. or anyone else.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 06:06 PM

LogicalTom,

lol, yeah, I see it like a scene from Shrek. Just picture Mahmoud on the back of a Nuke tipped donkey racing into Israel...

"I am a dictator on the Edge! I've got a loaded donkey and I'm not affraid to use it!"

Well, it probably would be as effective as their air force... Lol...

Posted by: Ptsfp at August 18, 2008 05:57 PM

Musharraf resigned from being Pakistan's president.Now we'll see where Pakistan really stands in all of this.

Joe Cottone sr,
Iran's feint could very well be to attack Basra,Iraq,while Russia & Turkey at the same time could attack Israel.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 05:41 PM

22ir said: "Im not concerned at all....Honestly, Iran vs. Israel, Israel would blow them out of the sky."
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Exactly, and this kind of bluster is what you expect from the IRG. Contrary to Roy's thinking, we face double trouble, but not from Russia and China. Why would Russia attack Israel or the Middle East...it makes no sense. Why would China attack Asian allies of their major trading partner...the U.S.? Both near peers already have their share of Islamic and other disruption in their own backyards...why invite more? And don't forget the nukes on both sides.

Fear this instead: Shiite IRG/Hezbollah or Sunni Al Qaeda...pick your poison. The looney tune nations want or have nukes. No more Musharaff. What will that mean? Fortunately, those likely to have power in Pakistan will not be sympathetic to Al Qaeda. But contrary to Mr. Obama's thinking, we can't exactly irritate or engage a Pakistan with 170 million Muslims...a far cry from the 20 something millions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

If Israel attacks Iran, they probably won't knock out all the nuke sites. All that does it irritate both Shiite and Sunni terrorists, and every other Arab nations...and raises the price of oil. It makes the Iranians more likely to continue producing and finding means to use nukes...via a delivery van on U.S. or Israeli shores.

If we irritate the Russians too much, they seize all of Georgia, shut down the pipeline...and raise the price of oil. Heck, let's face it, the Georgian President is kind of a loose cannon to attack Tskhinvali in the first place. Let the Russians have South Ossetia and Abkkhazia...they view it as equivalent to us letting Kosova declare independence from Serbia.

But what 22ir, as a presumed F-22 pilot from past references, and the rest of the USAF should recognize is the lesson of the 2006 Israel Lebanon conflict. It turns out I was wrong about Iranian rockets. Israel planned well and knocked most of them out in July 2006. But Syrian rockets and lots of salvos from hidden rocket launchers actually saw an increase in rocket attacks a month later. The IAF found many, but too many were well hidden...proving once more the limits of airpower.

And what the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Poland THAAD decision, and Navy decision to return to DDG-51 (missile defense capability) illustrate, is the rising threat of rocket and missile attack...not air-breathing white scarf fighter attacks. Rockets and missiles are the poor country's solution to being hoplessly outmatched in air supremacy due to stealth technology....fuggetaboutit, and launch a missile or rocket instead.

Posted by: Cole at August 18, 2008 05:36 PM

Im not concerned at all. Israel is able to pull their own pants on, and if the six days war is a good indicator they can beat the pants aff of a much larger airforce and still be home in time for dinner. Honestly, Iran vs. Israel, israel would blow them out of the sky.

Posted by: 22lr at August 18, 2008 04:58 PM

"Wow. An article goes up talking about how Iranian claims of fighters that can reach Israel are crap. And you guys run off with talk of Biblical verses that depict Russia (AND Moscow no less) leading a fearsome army of nuke-bearing Muslim donkeys against Israel.
I can't imagine what it would take to REALLY set you guys off."

Watching it REALLY happen.

Joe Cottone sr,
If Turkey goes the way I think she will,Russia & Iran could just completely bypass Iraq & American troops,travel through Turkey,& come down through Syria & Lebanon to attack Israel.

Cole,
For all the bombing we did in Afghanistan & Iraq,al Qaeda hasn't completely disappeared & is still considered a viable threat.No matter how much we say that we have broken them & eliminated their leadership,al Qaeda is still the big boogeymen to fear.
I fear that the same will be made out with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.No matter how hard we bomb Iran & "return" them back to the stone age,the IRG will still be the boogeymen out waiting to strike & kill.
With Russia,we need to pay attention to whether they are building up forces in Georgia,or are the forces just "passing through" to "friendly" Armenia,Iran,& eventually, Turkey.
It just seems to me like we(the U.S.) are just chasing ghosts(al Qaeda & the Iraqi Republican Guard) while the real threat(Russia,Iran,& eventually Turkey) are building up a real "conventional" army to threaten Israel & the middle east.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 04:14 PM

Nice post Ptsfp. Israel will never fall again.

Posted by: Mike at August 18, 2008 03:57 PM

Wow. An article goes up talking about how Iranian claims of fighters that can reach Israel are crap. And you guys run off with talk of Biblical verses that depict Russia (AND Moscow no less) leading a fearsome army of nuke-bearing Muslim donkeys against Israel.
I can't imagine what it would take to REALLY set you guys off.

Posted by: LogicalTom at August 18, 2008 03:28 PM

Why are people assuming that only a Russian or Iranian strike is possible. Why not using one as a decoy or feint while the other hits. Remember the crazies in Iran do have the Shabah 3 which I read has a 1200-1500 mile range, why wouldn't they use it as a feint while the other hits from even further.Or visa versa. Remember a good decoy is as good as an attack from/to another direction. Aren't the Russians in bed with the crazies in Iran, why would they not use any deception at their disposal.
As American forces are in Iraq,(the middle of it all), wouldn't any aggressor know that those forces would intercept & destroy any attack thereby making an attack on American forces pre-emmenant, therefore any attack by anyone from anywhere should be considered an attack on American forces. Otherwise their attack would not & could not succeed

Posted by: Joe Cottone sr at August 18, 2008 02:35 PM

If anyone is interested, here is what the Bible says about what will happen:

Ezekiel 38(NIV): Rosh, Meshech (translated Russia and Moscow) lead an Islamic coalition of Cush, Put, Persia, Gomer, Beth-togarmah (Modern Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya, and possibly former soviet republics) into Israel to loot and destroy it.

Vs 13, the West (Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages) gives them a token rebuke, but to no avail.

God then destroys the Russian coalition, Ezekiel 39(NIV), "I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD."

The results? Ezekiel 39:9-14(NIV), It takes 7 months to bury the dead and Israel uses the equipment sent against them as fuel for 7 years.

Why? Verse 21 and 22, "I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God."

Just as God destroyed the Egyptian army with the Red Sea when he brought the Jews out of Egypt. He will destroy the nations that are threatening them now. In Genesis 12:3(NIV), God tells Abraham, "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

It is a good thing for the USA to be on Israel's side...

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Posted by: T-800 at August 18, 2008 01:14 PM

Roy,

Think Iranian Revolutionary Guard...the crazies in charge of speed boats around the Straits of Hormuz and more frightening...the ones responsible for Iranian Missiles. So while Ahmadinejad may make threatening noises to distract his people from the lousy economy, it is the IRG you gotta worry about launching or infiltrating nukes...just as they launched human wave attacks against Iraq near Basra.

Folks with that kind of mentality don't adhere to western concepts of Mutually Assured Destruction. They seem perfectly willing to become martyrs if they can simultaneously wipe out much of Israel.

As for smuggling arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon...where do you think all those rockets came from used against Israel in 2006? We had control of Iraq then yet they still got smuggled into Lebanon, presumably through Syria or in civil cargo ships.

The one we should most worry about is the IRG smuggling a small nuke into the U.S. that they set of in the nation's capital or NYC. If you watched Hannity's America last night, he had an expert who showed how even a small 1 kiloton weapon would devastate Washington D.C resulting in 100,000 dead and perhaps twice as many in NYC.

Posted by: Cole at August 18, 2008 12:53 PM

Forget Iran,the real threat to Israel comes from Russia. Forgetting Russia's blustering about attacking the Ukraine & Poland,Russia assured herself a clear path to the middle east by taking out Georgia. Armenia is already a loyal ally of Russia & Russia could pass her armies through Georgia(Russia only needs to control half of Georgia,like she is doing now) & into "friendly" Armenia. It doesn't matter how "run-down" Russia's armies are if her opponents' armies are in worse shape than she is.
Russia could then marry her forces up with Iran & then the serious threat to Israel begins.
The key nation to watch is Turkey. If Turkey's "Islamic" President & Prime Minister can run the "secularists" out of power & out of the Turkish army,then they most likely will join forces with Russia & Turkey,& then Russia has all of Turkey to maneuver through,in addition to the Georgian-Armenian path established.
As "insane" as all of this sounds,just keep a sharp eye on Turkey & the battle for power between the secular & Islamic parties.If the "Muslims" win out,then Turkey is out of NATO & our air bases closed,& Turkey is out of contention for joining the European Union.
Iran by herself is nothing & absolutely no threat whatsoever.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 10:06 AM

Tiny little Lebanese Hezbollah & Palestinian Hamas have also threatened to wipe Israel off the map,& Israel blow them out of existence any time she wanted to. Iran by her self is no serious threat to anyone. This is all just a ploy to keep oil prices up. This is like the 80's & 90's when Libya was built up to be a major world threat(her army is quite small & ragtag).
The Iranians are just a bunch of "inbred" mountain men(like in the movie "Deliverance") who we are taking far more seriously than they deserve. Attacking them is like attacking & bombing the "Hatfields & McCoys."

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 09:49 AM

Iran has thumbed their nose at the international community for years. They have vowed to "wipe" Israel off the map.

They are not supposed to be making Nukes, but they are, with Russian assistance, surprise surprise...

When they do get a nuke, they will use it. It is the creed of the militant Islamists. Convert to Islam or be destroyed. In some twisted way they think they are doing God's work.

Anyways, I do not think they will attempt to attack Israel by air. I think they will strap nukes to Donkeys and try and slip them across the border... Donkey-born nukes!

Posted by: Ptsfp at August 18, 2008 09:32 AM

Iran only has to get it right once and Israel is torched. Israel has to be right all the time to stop them. Kinda like "Missle Command" when you have one target city left and multiple incoming...

Posted by: coolhand77 at August 18, 2008 09:05 AM

Where are the cries of 'war mongering' and 'how dare they threaten another country' etc etc, oh wait that only applies to the west, namely UK and USA and Israel.

Posted by: Jimbo Jones at August 18, 2008 08:29 AM

Maybe Iran could ship the fighters in, piece by piece, via FedEx. That would count as "reaching" Israel, right?

Posted by: El Cid at August 18, 2008 05:03 AM

Perhaps Iran only has need for one plane, carrying one bomb, making a one-way trip.

Posted by: Sam I am at August 18, 2008 02:26 AM

I am not trying to be a smart ass,but why is Iran a threat? Nobody seriously believes(not even me) that Iran's conventional weapons are capable of hurting anybody.It has not even been proven that Iran's missiles can reach Israel,& even if they could,Israel's missile defense could easily take them out.
As far as Iran arming Hezbollah,Iran is pretty isolated & it would be hard for them to send weapons to Hezbollah because of the length of time it would take for Iranian ships to go around the Gulf States to the Red Sea & through the Suez Canal or around Africa & through the Mediterranean Sea.The point is,it just doesn't seem to be an easy task for the Iranians to arm Hezbollah from Iran directly.
On land,Iran has to go through Iraq or Turkey before they could enter Syria. What is the air traffic like between Iran & Syria?
Conventionally,Iran's armed forces,even their Revolutionary Guard,seem to be as run down as North Korea's. Iran seems to be pretty well contained by her own geography & location.

Posted by: Roy Smith at August 18, 2008 02:20 AM